stuart lawrence
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I will repeat. King David committed wilfull sin, yet he repented of it and was forgiven
.so wilfull sin cannot be Unrepentant sin
.so wilfull sin cannot be Unrepentant sin
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Let me ask you.No the question was in regards to someone that is in unrepentant sin. If someone is professing to be a christian but is living a life of unrepentant sin are they in a saved state or an unsaved state? (some scriptures to look at; Hebrews 10:26-27; Hebrew 6:4-8; Romans 2:12-13; Romans 3:19; Romans 3:9; Romans 3:19) Are you able to answer the question?
They are clearly not the same thing. The first is supported by scripture (Romans 2:12-13; Romans 3:19; Romans 3:9; Romans 3:19) because sin is the transgression of God's Law and if we sin we fall under the penalty of the Law (1 John 3:4; Romans 6:23). The second statement is talking about observing God's Law for your salvation.If we sin we are under the law and guilty before God? So if the Christian fails to observes the law/ commits sin, they are under the law and guilty before God. Thanks for confirming that is your belief.Observe the law or you are under the law and guilty So you are In a righteous/ justified state if you observe the law
How are you helping me? I've already correctly addressed your question many times.Here let me help you. I will answer it. According to the scriptures if anyone is living a life staying in unrepentant sin they are transgressing God's Law because sin is the transgression of God's Law and the penalty for sin is death (1 John 3:4; Romans 6:23) The gift is there (Jesus; God's Word) but that person has rejected God's gift so there is no salvation for them so they are not in a saved state and are in danger of the judgements of God. If they continue in sin they will receive the penalty of sin which is death (Hebrews 10:26-27; Hebrew 6:4-8; Romans 2:12-13; Romans 3:19; Romans 3:9; Romans 3:19).
Ok what if now they decide, no I want to be saved and decide I am going to stop my sin. By stopping their sin and observing God's Law save them? No because by the deeds of the Law shall no flesh be justified in his sight because by the law is the knowledge of sin only (Romans 3:20).
However, if they hear or read God's Word and come to Jesus just as they are full of sin, believing (Isaiah 64:4; 1 John 1:9) God's Word and confess their sins to Jesus and repent of their sins because they believe and have faith in God's Word are they then in a saved state? Yes they are because their salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus (God's Word) and not of works lest any man should boast. It is a gift of God.
Do you understand the difference between the two statements now how they are not the same thing when you say...
They are clearly not the same thing. The first is supported by scripture (Romans 2:12-13; Romans 3:19; Romans 3:9; Romans 3:19) because sin is the transgression of God's Law and if we sin we fall under the penalty of the Law (1 John 3:4; Romans 6:23). The second statement is talking about observing God's Law
Hope this helps you,
In Christ Always!
And I yet again repeat. There is no difference in those two statements for you link you statement to being in a saved/ justified state. I just ratified the truth of what your statement actually neansHere let me help you. I will answer it the question for you. According to the scriptures if anyone is living a life staying in unrepentant sin they are transgressing God's Law because sin is the transgression of God's Law and the penalty for sin is death (1 John 3:4; Romans 6:23) The gift is there (Jesus; God's Word) but that person has rejected God's gift so there is no salvation for them so they are not in a saved state and are in danger of the judgements of God. If they continue in sin they will receive the penalty of sin which is death (Hebrews 10:26-27; Hebrew 6:4-8; Romans 2:12-13; Romans 3:19; Romans 3:9; Romans 3:19).
Ok what if now they decide, no I want to be saved and decide I am going to stop my sin. By stopping their sin and observing God's Law save them? No because by the deeds of the Law shall no flesh be justified in his sight because by the law is the knowledge of sin only (Romans 3:20).
However, if they hear or read God's Word and come to Jesus just as they are full of sin, believing (Isaiah 64:4; 1 John 1:9) God's Word and confess their sins to Jesus and repent of their sins because they believe and have faith in God's Word are they then in a saved state? Yes they are because their salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus (God's Word) and not of works lest any man should boast. It is a gift of God.
Do you understand the difference between the two statements now how they are not the same thing when you say...
They are clearly not the same thing. The first is supported by scripture (Romans 2:12-13; Romans 3:19; Romans 3:9; Romans 3:19) because sin is the transgression of God's Law and if we sin we fall under the penalty of the Law (1 John 3:4; Romans 6:23). The second statement is talking about observing God's Law
Hope this helps you,
In Christ Always!
Not sure what this has to do with what we are talking about as you brought this up before and I already answered it. This is repented sin not unrepented sin . We are talking about unrepentant sin.I will repeat. King David committed wilfull sin, yet he repented of it and was forgiven
.so wilfull sin cannot be Unrepentant sin
Let's put this another way, see if it helps you to understand.Here let me help you. I will answer it the question for you. According to the scriptures if anyone is living a life staying in unrepentant sin they are transgressing God's Law because sin is the transgression of God's Law and the penalty for sin is death (1 John 3:4; Romans 6:23) The gift is there (Jesus; God's Word) but that person has rejected God's gift so there is no salvation for them so they are not in a saved state and are in danger of the judgements of God. If they continue in sin they will receive the penalty of sin which is death (Hebrews 10:26-27; Hebrew 6:4-8; Romans 2:12-13; Romans 3:19; Romans 3:9; Romans 3:19).
Ok what if now they decide, no I want to be saved and decide I am going to stop my sin. By stopping their sin and observing God's Law save them? No because by the deeds of the Law shall no flesh be justified in his sight because by the law is the knowledge of sin only (Romans 3:20).
However, if they hear or read God's Word and come to Jesus just as they are full of sin, believing (Isaiah 64:4; 1 John 1:9) God's Word and confess their sins to Jesus and repent of their sins because they believe and have faith in God's Word are they then in a saved state? Yes they are because their salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus (God's Word) and not of works lest any man should boast. It is a gift of God.
Do you understand the difference between the two statements now how they are not the same thing when you say...
They are clearly not the same thing. The first is supported by scripture (Romans 2:12-13; Romans 3:19; Romans 3:9; Romans 3:19) because sin is the transgression of God's Law and if we sin we fall under the penalty of the Law (1 John 3:4; Romans 6:23). The second statement is talking about observing God's Law for your salvation.
Hope this helps you,
In Christ Always!
It has to do with your belief that wilfull sin is Unrepentant sinNot sure what this has to do with what we are talking about as you brought this up before and I already answered it. This is repented sin not unrepented sin . We are talking about unrepentant sin.
Ok Stuart, believe what you like. It is ok with me. I will let others read the scriptures and decide for themselves. You have not addressed any of my questions you just avoided them. Its ok I answered the question myself for you in post #104 and provided scripture to show you what I believe so we can leave it at that now. Nice chatting with you.And I yet again repeat. There is no difference in those two statements for you link you statement to being in a saved/ justified state. I just ratified the truth of what your statement actually neans
That's cute. I did address the points you raised that I read, you just avoided addressing much of what I wrote.Ok Stuart, believe what you like. It is ok with me. I will let others read the scriptures and decide for themselves. You have not addressed any of my questions you just avoided them. Its ok I answered the question myself for you in post #104 and provided scripture to show you what I believe so we can leave it at that now. Nice chatting with you.
In Christ Always
You are so confused.Here let me help you. I will answer it the question for you. According to the scriptures if anyone is living a life staying in unrepentant sin they are transgressing God's Law because sin is the transgression of God's Law and the penalty for sin is death (1 John 3:4; Romans 6:23) The gift is there (Jesus; God's Word) but that person has rejected God's gift so there is no salvation for them so they are not in a saved state and are in danger of the judgements of God. If they continue in sin they will receive the penalty of sin which is death (Hebrews 10:26-27; Hebrew 6:4-8; Romans 2:12-13; Romans 3:19; Romans 3:9; Romans 3:19).
Ok what if now they decide, no I want to be saved and decide I am going to stop my sin. By stopping their sin and observing God's Law save them? No because by the deeds of the Law shall no flesh be justified in his sight because by the law is the knowledge of sin only (Romans 3:20).
However, if they hear or read God's Word and come to Jesus just as they are full of sin, believing (Isaiah 64:4; 1 John 1:9) God's Word and confess their sins to Jesus and repent of their sins because they believe and have faith in God's Word are they then in a saved state? Yes they are because their salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus (God's Word) and not of works lest any man should boast. It is a gift of God.
Do you understand the difference between the two statements now how they are not the same thing when you say...
They are clearly not the same thing. The first is supported by scripture (Romans 2:12-13; Romans 3:19; Romans 3:9; Romans 3:19) because sin is the transgression of God's Law and if we sin we fall under the penalty of the Law (1 John 3:4; Romans 6:23). The second statement is talking about observing God's Law for your salvation.
Hope this helps you,
In Christ Always!
You see, I have not the time or inclination to go through your whole posts pointing out and explaining your citing of scripture incorrectly to support what you state. You do it all the time as I have been pointing out to you.Here let me help you. I will answer it the question for you. According to the scriptures if anyone is living a life staying in unrepentant sin they are transgressing God's Law because sin is the transgression of God's Law and the penalty for sin is death (1 John 3:4; Romans 6:23) The gift is there (Jesus; God's Word) but that person has rejected God's gift so there is no salvation for them so they are not in a saved state and are in danger of the judgements of God. If they continue in sin they will receive the penalty of sin which is death (Hebrews 10:26-27; Hebrew 6:4-8; Romans 2:12-13; Romans 3:19; Romans 3:9; Romans 3:19).
Ok what if now they decide, no I want to be saved and decide I am going to stop my sin. By stopping their sin and observing God's Law save them? No because by the deeds of the Law shall no flesh be justified in his sight because by the law is the knowledge of sin only (Romans 3:20).
However, if they hear or read God's Word and come to Jesus just as they are full of sin, believing (Isaiah 64:4; 1 John 1:9) God's Word and confess their sins to Jesus and repent of their sins because they believe and have faith in God's Word are they then in a saved state? Yes they are because their salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus (God's Word) and not of works lest any man should boast. It is a gift of God.
Do you understand the difference between the two statements now how they are not the same thing when you say...
They are clearly not the same thing. The first is supported by scripture (Romans 2:12-13; Romans 3:19; Romans 3:9; Romans 3:19) because sin is the transgression of God's Law and if we sin we fall under the penalty of the Law (1 John 3:4; Romans 6:23). The second statement is talking about observing God's Law for your salvation.
Hope this helps you,
In Christ Always!
.Here let me help you. I will answer it the question for you. According to the scriptures if anyone is living a life staying in unrepentant sin they are transgressing God's Law because sin is the transgression of God's Law and the penalty for sin is death (1 John 3:4; Romans 6:23) The gift is there (Jesus; God's Word) but that person has rejected God's gift so there is no salvation for them so they are not in a saved state and are in danger of the judgements of God. If they continue in sin they will receive the penalty of sin which is death (Hebrews 10:26-27; Hebrew 6:4-8; Romans 2:12-13; Romans 3:19; Romans 3:9; Romans 3:19).
Ok what if now they decide, no I want to be saved and decide I am going to stop my sin. By stopping their sin and observing God's Law save them? No because by the deeds of the Law shall no flesh be justified in his sight because by the law is the knowledge of sin only (Romans 3:20).
However, if they hear or read God's Word and come to Jesus just as they are full of sin, believing (Isaiah 64:4; 1 John 1:9) God's Word and confess their sins to Jesus and repent of their sins because they believe and have faith in God's Word are they then in a saved state? Yes they are because their salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus (God's Word) and not of works lest any man should boast. It is a gift of God.
Do you understand the difference between the two statements now how they are not the same thing when you say...
They are clearly not the same thing. The first is supported by scripture (Romans 2:12-13; Romans 3:19; Romans 3:9; Romans 3:19) because sin is the transgression of God's Law and if we sin we fall under the penalty of the Law (1 John 3:4; Romans 6:23). The second statement is talking about observing God's Law for your salvation.
Hope this helps you,
In Christ Always!
I like that illustration thanks for sharing