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JESUS and the APOSTLES OBEYED GOD'S LAW and the SABBATH!

Discussion in 'Sabbath and The Law' started by LoveGodsWord, Sep 13, 2017.

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  1. Copperhead

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    One needs to keep in mind the audience that is being addressed also.
     
  2. Saint Steven

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    All of that is true. Stop saying otherwise. More of your canned answers.

    - None of that is true.
    - Now you are just making things up.
    - That doesn't agree with God's WORD.
    - Do you have scriptures to share?
    - I hope that helps!
    - Sound familiar?
     
  3. LoveGodsWord

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    Then prove it. All I here from you is your own words over God's WORD. You have been provided God's WORD not my words. Your agrgument my friend is with God not me.

    Not really Steve, The section at the bottom of the op is called.

    What did Jesus and the Apostles teach about the Sabbath in the New Testament?

    1. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
    2. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind (Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27)
    3. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28)
    4. If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4)
    5. It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all (James 2:8-12)
    6. Breaking it is sin (1 John 3:4)
    7. God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded (Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14; Ezekiel 20:20)
    8. Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath (Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matthew 16:24; 1 Corinthians 11:1; Eph 5:1-21; Peter 2:20-22)
    9. The Apostle kept the Sabbath (Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Revelation 1:10)

    It is only the section 8-9 that is showing that JESUS and all the APOSTLES kept the SABBATH as our examples. The rest of the scriptures are about what Jesus and the APOSTLES teach about the Sabbath

    HEBREWS 4:9 So then it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.

    Sorry Steve, God's WORD disagrees with you.

    Sorry Steve everyone of the 10 commandments are repeated and discussed in the NEW TESTAMENT.

    God's WORD disagrees with you here brother.
     
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  4. Saint Steven

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    Oh, the irony. ^_^
     
  5. LoveGodsWord

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    I like these scripture with Jesus saying...

    MATTHEW 24:13-21
    [13], But he that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved.
    [14], And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness to all nations; and then shall the end come.
    [15], When you therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoever reads, let him understand:)
    [16], Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
    [17], Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
    [18], Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
    [19], And woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
    [20], But pray you that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
    [21], For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

    Jesus seemed to be of the view that well after his death (70 AD's destruction of Jerusalem and onwards) his disciples would still be keeping the Sabbath. Then we have PAUL who says...

    HEBREWS 4:9 So then, it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.

    Hope this helps

    God bless
     
  6. FredVB

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    One can't go wrong with finding many scriptural passages that establish something, over any that argue against it without proper appeal to scripture passages themselves. I had posted in this forum in times past, including back around the time this forum was made, and I would get argument that, rather than appeal to scripture passages, argued instead against something as a cult, something that I had no involvement with in any way. As I sought answers for myself, that did nothing to win me to their position.
     
  7. LoveGodsWord

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    Hi brother Fred, welcome and thanks for your comments.

    I believe it is the lot of those who follow and believe the Word of God. Jesus tells us in his Word that many are called but few are chosen and that his people will only be a remnant who will be persecuted and hated by all nations for sharing his truth. They called the Apostles after the death of Jesus a cult and Jesus a devil in his day. Jesus said it would be the same for all those who believe and follow his Word.

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts brother.

    God bless you as you seek him through his Word.
     
  8. ace of hearts

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    Why are you insisting the commandments of Jesus are those given to Israel in the desert?
     
  9. LoveGodsWord

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    Who is ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT?
     
  10. FredVB

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    Thank you for this nice welcome. I had come to this Sabbath and Law forum previously, though not often. It was not because of what church I was in, or what they taught. It is more like what I hadn't heard taught. But there were Bible passages stating the things I wanted explained. The closest I heard for the value of the Sabbath for us is that it is good for us to have rest every seven days from our regular work, but it was not with saying it should be the seventh day, the Sabbath, as this was also a Sunday church, leaving it to be generally thought that any day for a seventh day would work as well if it was always that day of the week, but here it would be observed Sunday. So when I started in this forum, when it was started, I was mainly asking, to have answers for myself to consider. There was nothing to persuade me from resting in observance of the Sabbath, and in the Bible Yahweh said, it is holy, so what people do does not change that. Then, for us it would be meaning to observe its holiness, and, that praying on this day of rest is for coming to Yahweh, as a special time for it, through Christ making it possible for us, as Lord of the Sabbath. Christ supported this for the Sabbath, and said nothing of change for this, and what Christ's Apostles and followers said should not be understood to be contradicting Christ, and what is understood to contradict that would be mistaken, those things don't have to be understood in that way to conflict.

    I learned what I could on my own. I didn't find a good church for observing things in this way. So I rest for this as I can at the time of Sabbath. I would do less, for this, but there is not much I do generally, but for errands and doing the writing that I do, regularly. So I feel that I should learn more to be observing that day.

    I see that there are some who come to the faith asking, to others or just to themselves, what is the least that we have to change, for this faith, to be saved. I know, I was doing that too. But I learned, God loves us already, but not the way of people in the world, and wants us to change and desire to do that in the most thorough way we can for godliness. But it is personal growth and we are not to judge others in that.

    I see commandments show the perfect will of Yahweh for the people of God (though not all Yahweh's perfect will, we have to look, in the way we are led, for that), and that there is sin going contrary to Yahweh's will that has been revealed to us. The commandments including the Sabbath are all taught, and shown to be observed in the new testament of the Bible, without it being contradicted, and nothing ever being said for it to stop, but still doing according to commandments is stated. The best you might say for something other from the Bible is where we are told not to judge others in such things. I don't see that observed so much by all others. That should be observed. It is our own personal response to Yahweh, there is good in learning that, but for each to go learning on their own.

    That is an interesting thing to bring up, that made me think about it again. There are those who say they are Jews but are not, mentioned in Revelation. This made me think again about it, as that is explained in different ways. But now I think I see, there are those saying they have the promises to Israel because they are Israel, while not obedient to commandments that they say are for Israel. Wow! I didn't think of that with this before.
     
  11. NBB

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    If not keeping the sabbath is the same as murder, the Holy spirit wouldn't fill christians that do not keep it!, understand? not keeping the sabbath does not quench the Holy spirit... enough evidence for me!.

    Also, 'some people regards one day as important others don't, each one do according to their conscience', if the sabbath was so important this shouldn't be in the bible! It would say, 'some people regards one day as important and other don't, except the sabbath which we must keep!'.
     
  12. LoveGodsWord

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    Hello brother Fred, nice to see you again.

    I really enjoyed reading your post and of your testimony and experience of your walk with JESUS. It was a blessing to me to read it and see how God has been teaching and guiding you brother so thanks very much for sharing your last post with us. It was a blessing to me and I am sure it will be for many others here.

    It is indeed interesting tracing the origin of ISRAEL in both the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT scriptures. The name ISRAEL is a name given by GOD to his people. ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD where ever they may be. As long as you are living up to all the light of God's WORD that he has revealed to you then you are a part of GOD'S ISRAEL.

    If you are interested let me know and I will post them here as there are some wonderful scriptures that I am happy to share with you on who God's ISRAEL is that have been a real blessing to me.

    God bless.
     
  13. LoveGodsWord

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    The answer to this brother NBB, is that it depends.

    God has his people in EVERY Church *JOHN 10:16. As long as we have not rejected God's WORD as it is revealed to us through God's SPIRIT and have not hardened our hearts then we are God's people as long as we are living up to all the light that God has revealed to us through his Word*ACTS 17:30-31; JAMES 4:17.

    If we reject God's WORD however to continue in SIN than God's WORD says we do not have God's SPIRIT and no longer know God *ACTS 5:32; ACTS 2:38; 1 JOHN 2:1-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; HEBREWS 10:26-27.

    JESUS knows that many break his 4th COMMANDMENT *EXODUS 20:8-11 out of ignorance *ACTS 17:30 as they have been deceived by the teachings of the Mother Church but when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come he expects us to repent and follow him according to the WORD of GOD.

    God has his people are in every church but the time has come where he is calling his people out to worship him in SPIRIT and in TRUTH *JOHN 4:24; REVELATION 18:1-5.

    You quote ROMANS 14 but where does it mention God's 4th Commandment? The chapter is about food connected to days that men esteem over other day, not what days God esteems. In fact where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? Something to think about.

    May God bless you brother as you seek him through his Word.
     
  14. NBB

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    Having the filling of the Holy spirit, and keeping it, is a true demonstration that a person is being approved by God, and that person i assure can worship in spirit and truth.

    That wouldn't happen if keeping the sabbath is the same as murder for christians.

    'One person steems one day over the other others don't, each one do according to their conscience'.
     
  15. NBB

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    And if you do some gross sin you are quenching the spirit and offending God, if you know it is a sin or not know it is sin is the same, you are offending.

    But the Holy spirit in christians can be totally fine if you don't keep the sabbath, why if it is the same as adultery etc...? why?
     
  16. ace of hearts

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    The same people they are in the OT. That in no way includes gentiles in the OT. Nor does it exclude anyone in the New Testament/New Covenant.
     
  17. ace of hearts

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    How are Christians obligated to the Old Covenant that Moses says are the Ten Commandments in Deut 4:13?
     
  18. ace of hearts

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    Where is the obligation of the Christian to keep the sabbath mentioned in the New Testament?
     
  19. LoveGodsWord

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    Hello brother NBB, you are only repeating yourself here and have ignored all the scriptures in the previous post to you.

    The answer to this brother NBB, is that it depends.

    God has his people in EVERY Church *JOHN 10:16. As long as we have not rejected God's WORD as it is revealed to us through God's SPIRIT and have not hardened our hearts then we are God's people as long as we are living up to all the light that God has revealed to us through his Word*ACTS 17:30-31; JAMES 4:17.

    If we reject God's WORD however to continue in SIN than God's WORD says we do not have God's SPIRIT and no longer know God *ACTS 5:32; ACTS 2:38; 1 JOHN 2:1-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; HEBREWS 10:26-27.

    JESUS knows that many break his 4th COMMANDMENT *EXODUS 20:8-11 out of ignorance *ACTS 17:30 as they have been deceived by the teachings of the Mother Church but when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come he expects us to repent and follow him according to the WORD of GOD.

    God has his people are in every church but the time has come where he is calling his people out to worship him in SPIRIT and in TRUTH *JOHN 4:24; REVELATION 18:1-5.

    May God bless you brother as you seek him through his Word.
     
  20. LoveGodsWord

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    Not really brother. As Christians we are all learning. We start off as babes in Christ and grow as we learn more from the WORD of God. For example when we are a new believer we may have had a problem committing adultery but now we come to Christ confess our sins and repent and are forgiven by Faith *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; EXODUS 20:14; 1 JOHN 1:9. But latter as we learn God's WORD we see that adultery is not just the outward act it is the very inward throught of it and making those thoughts our own is committing the sin of Adultery *MATTHEW 5:20; 27-28. God's WORD teaches as we are growing in faith and continuing in God's WORD *JOHN 8:31-34 in times of ignorance God winks at until we receive a KNOWLEDGE of the truth. At this time God expects us to BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If we harden our heart we resist and grieve God's SPIRIT and stand before God guilty of Sin and need to seek God in repentance and forgiveness before we have God's SPIRIT.

    ACTS 17:30-31 [30], And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commands all men every where to repent: [31], Because he has appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he has ordained; whereof he has given assurance to all men, in that he has raised him from the dead.

    JAMES 4:17 [17] Therefore to him that knows to do good, and does it not, to him it is sin.

    HEBREWS 10:26-27
    [26], For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,
    [27], But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

    Sorry brother NBB, God's WORD disagrees with you.
     
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