JESUS and the APOSTLES OBEYED GOD'S LAW and the SABBATH!

[LoveGodsWord]

You cannot separate the 10 from the rest of the 613. All are laws dictated by God himself. There is no difference in status between not sleeping with your own mother and not committing not envying your neighbor's ox.

Hello OH nice to see you my friend. I hope you are doing well.

All are God's laws indeed but it was God that gave the command to Moses to keep his 10 Commandments separated from the Mosiac book of the Covenant that together made up the OLD Covenant and were housed in the ARK of the Covenant.

God's LAW was written and made by God alone on two tables of stone and spoken by God himself to his people and nothing was to be added to it. (God's LAW; Ex 32:16; 34:28; Deut 4:13; 10:4; Exodus 20; Romans 3:20, 1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7; Ps 119:172; James 2:8-12; Hebrews 8:10-12; Gal 3:24; Deut 5:22; Ex 34:28; Deut 10:4 Ecc 3:14; Ex 25:16; Deut 10:5)

It is called God's LAW or the 10 Commandment, because he was the one alone who made it and commanded Moses to keep in separated from the book of the law in the Ark of the Covenant (Neh 10:29; Deut 10:4-5; Deut 31:25-26; Deut 4:13; Ex 34:28)

God's LAW was not made by Moses it was made by God alone on two tables of stone and nothing was to be added to it and it was to be separated from the Mosaic book of the law. That is why it is referred to in the scriptures as God's LAW or the 10 commandments (not the 613).

The Mosaic law was made and written and spoken by Moses as directed by God in the book of the covenant. (Mosaic Book of the law; Deut 31:9; Ex 24:3-4; Deut 31:24-27; Col 2:14-17).

God not only commanded Moses to keep the 10 Commandments separated from the Mosaic book of the law in the Ark of the Covenant (Deut 10:5; 31:25-26 nothing was to be added to it (Deut 4:1-2; Deut 5:22)

God makes a distinction between the 10 Commandments and the book of the law of Moses….

2 Kings 21

8, Neither will I make the feet of Israel move any more out of the land which I gave their fathers; only if they will observe to do according to all that I have commanded them, and according to all the law that my servant Moses commanded them.

Do we need more scripture................

GODS LAW (10 commandments) ARE FOREVER

The Law of God (10 commandments) which includes the 4th commandment is the work of God (Exodus 32:16) whatsoever God does is forever nothing can be added to it or taken away (Ecclesiastes 3:14).
God's Law is perfect converting the soul (Psalms 19:7). It is the very standard of the Old and New Covenants (Exodus 20:1:17, Hebrews 8:10-12). God's Law was spoken by God himself to His people (Exodus 20:1-22). Jesus says Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away (Matthew 25:35). Gods Law is still in force today (Psalms 111:7-8, Revelation 12:17, 14:12, 22:14, 1 John 3:5-8, 1 John 2:3-4 etc.). The Law of God reveals sin to us so we can see ourselves as we truly are sinners in need of a Saviour (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4).It is the great standard of the judgement (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1 John 3:4, Acts 17:31). God's Law is our teacher revealing sin and the character of God and brings us to Christ at the foot of the cross that we might be saved by faith by Him who loves us and washed us in His own blood (Galatians 3:24; Revelation 1:5). Jesus came not to abolish the law, but to fulfil it ( Matt 5:17-20 ). The law is the embodiment of truth that instructs ( Rom 2:18-19 ). It is "holy" and "spiritual, " making sin known to us by defining it; therefore, Paul delights in it ( Romans 7:7-14Romans 7:22). The law is good if used properly ( 1 Tim 1:8 ), and is not opposed to the promises of God ( Gal 3:21 ). Faith does not make the law void, but the Christian establishes the law ( Rom 3:31 ), fulfilling its requirements by walking according to the Spirit ( Rom 8:4 ) through love ( Rom 13:10 ).

You cannot know the power of God or the Gospel of Grace without the 10 commandments. If there is NO LAW then you do not know what SIN is (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4). If you do not know what SIN is you have NO need of a Savior. If you have NO need of a Savior you have NO Salvation. If you have NO Salvation you are LOST because it is written.

If you need more scripture please let me know?

Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men every where to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)

 

[Open Heart]

It is called God's LAW or the 10 Commandment

All the 613 are God's Law, since God gave them all.

 

[bbbbbbb]

All the 613 are God's Law, since God gave them all.

Those who choose to disregard all 613 while claiming to perfectly keep God's commandments are either disingenuous or they are deceived. At the very best, they are hypocrites.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

All the 613 are God's Law, since God gave them all.

Yes that is what I said in the beginning of my post that you did not respnd to above. They are all indeed God's laws under the Old Covenant.

The 10 Commandments however are not called the 613 they are called the 10 Commandments in God's Word (Ex 34:28; Deut 4:13; 10:4) nothing was to be added to them and they have a difference purpose in the Old and NEW Covenant and the judgement to come compared to the Mosaic laws that were shadows written in the book of the Old Covenant pointing to the NEW.

They are called God's LAW in reference to he was the only one who made them and spoke them and nothing was to be added to them.

Simply stating something you said the first time that I have already agreed does not answer the post I have sent to you in post # 801 as you have not adressed it or the scriptures in them.

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Yes that is what I said in the beginning of my post that you did not respnd to above. They are all indeed God's laws under the Old Covenant.

The 10 Commandments however are not called the 613 they are called the 10 Commandments in God's Word (Ex 34:28; Deut 4:13; 10:4) nothing was to be added to them and they have a difference purpose in the Old and NEW Covenant and the judgement to come compared to the Mosaic laws that were shadows written in the book of the Old Covenant pointing to the NEW.

They are called God's LAW in reference to he was the only one who made them and spoke them and nothing was to be added to them.

Simply stating something you said the first time that I have already agreed does not answer the post I have sent to you in post # 801 as you have not adressed it or the scriptures in them.

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

The great obstacle which cannot be overcome in your theology is finding where in the New Testament the Law is defined as the Ten Commandments only. If one is inclined to quote Jesus Christ on the matter, He never cited the fourth commandment when He did cite some of the ten. In fact, the hot topic of debate at the Jerusalem council was whether or not Christians need to be circumcised. If Jesus had already dismissed that issue, why were the Apostles so worked up about it?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The great obstacle which cannot be overcome in your theology is finding where in the New Testament the Law is defined as the Ten Commandments only. If one is inclined to quote Jesus Christ on the matter, He never cited the fourth commandment when He did cite some of the ten. In fact, the hot topic of debate at the Jerusalem council was whether or not Christians need to be circumcised. If Jesus had already dismissed that issue, why were the Apostles so worked up about it?

Hello Friend so nice to meet you.

It is not my theology it is God's Word and there is no obsticle at all. The Old Testament bears witness to the NEW Testament. Together theses are the two great witnesses that agree together. Please if you disagree please adress the OP that disagrees with you and state your case from God's Word. If you cannot we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW the Word of God. Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it.

God's 10 commandments repeated in the New Testament

1 You shall have no other gods before Me.
It is written: You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only you shall serve. (Luke 4:8; Matthew 4:10; Revelation 14:7)

2 You must not make for yourself a carved image, a likeness of anything in heaven, on earth, or under the sea.
God is Spirit and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth. (John 4:24; Acts 15:20; 1 Corinthians 6:9; Ephesians 5:5; 1 Peter 4:3; 1 John 5:21; Revelation 2:14)

3 You shall not take the Name of the Lord your God in vain.
(1 Timothy 6:1, James 2:7)

4 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
The Sabbath [seventh day] was made for man, not man for the Sabbath, so the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath. (Mark 2:27-28, Hebrews 4; Matthew 12:8; Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56(Mark 2:28; Matthew 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matthew 16:24; 1; Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Revelations 1:10 Is binding on all mankind today COL 2:14-17 THE REAL TRUTH THREAD (Linked)

5 Honour your father and mother.
Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. (Ephesians 6:1; Colossians 3:20; Matthew 15:4; Matthew 19:19)

6 You shall not murder.
I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. (Matthew 5:44-45; Matt. 5:21-26; Romans 13:9; 1 Timothy 1:9; 1 John 3:15; James 2:11; Matthew 19:18)

7 You shall not commit adultery.
I say to you whoever even looks at another in lust has already committed adultery in their heart. (Matthew 5:28, 1 Cor. 5:11, 1 Cor. 6:18, Galatians 5:19, Hebrews 13:4, James 2:11, Matthew 19:19, Romans 13:9)

8 You shall not steal.
Neither thieves, the greedy, or drunkards and robbers will inherit the Kingdom. (1 Corinthians 6:10, Romans 2:21, Mark 7:21, Ephesians 4:28, Romans 13:9, Matthew 19:18)

9 You shall not bear false witness.
For by your words, you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned. (Matthew 15:19, Ephesians 4:25, Col. 3:9; Matthew 19:18, Romans 13:9)

10 You shall not covet your neighbours possessions.
Take heed and beware of covetousness, for one’s life does not consist of the things he possesses. (Luke 12:15, Romans 7:7, Ephesians 5:3, 1 Tim. 6:10, Hebrews 13:5, Romans 13:9)

There is a lot of scriptures here and we have not even looked at all the scriptures in the NT on the 10 commandments on which the 4th commandment is one of the ten.

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The purpose of God's LAW is to give us a knowledge of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS.

God's LAW (10 commandments) is our teacher revealing sin and the character of God and brings us to Christ at the foot of the cross that we might be saved by faith by Him who loves us and washed us in His own blood (Galatians 3:24; Revelation 1:5). Jesus came not to abolish the law, but to fulfil it ( Matt 5:17-20 ). The law is the embodiment of truth that instructs ( Rom 2:18-19 ). It is "holy" and "spiritual, " making sin known to us by defining it; therefore, Paul delights in it ( Romans 7:7-14 Romans 7:22 ). The law is good if used properly ( 1 Tim 1:8 ), and is not opposed to the promises of God ( Gal 3:21 ). Faith does not make the law void, but the Christian establishes the law ( Rom 3:31 ), fulfilling its requirements by walking according to the Spirit ( Rom 8:4 ) through love ( Rom 13:10 ).

You cannot know the power of God or the Gospel of Grace without the 10 commandments. If there is NO LAW then you do not know what SIN is (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4). If you do not know what SIN is you have NO need of a Savior. If you have NO need of a Savior you have NO Salvation. If you have NO Salvation you are LOST because it is written.

Romans 2
12, For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

Who will you follow?

 

[bbbbbbb]

Hello Friendso nice to meet you.

It is not my theology it is God's Word and there is no obsticle at all. The Old Testament bears witness to the NEW Testament. Together theses are the two great witnesses that agree together. Please if you disagree please adress the OP that disagrees with you and state your case the God's Word. If you cannot we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW the Word of God. Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it.

God's 10 commandments repeated in the New Testament

1 You shall have no other gods before Me.
It is written: You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only you shall serve. (Luke 4:8; Matthew 4:10; Revelation 14:7)

2 You must not make for yourself a carved image, a likeness of anything in heaven, on earth, or under the sea.
God is Spirit and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth. (John 4:24; Acts 15:20; 1 Corinthians 6:9; Ephesians 5:5; 1 Peter 4:3; 1 John 5:21; Revelation 2:14)

3 You shall not take the Name of the Lord your God in vain.
(1 Timothy 6:1, James 2:7)

4 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
The Sabbath [seventh day] was made for man, not man for the Sabbath, so the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath. (Mark 2:27-28, Hebrews 4; Matthew 12:8; Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56(Mark 2:28; Matthew 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matthew 16:24; 1; Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Revelations 1:10 Is binding on all mankind today COL 2:14-17 THE REAL TRUTH THREAD (Linked)

5 Honour your father and mother.
Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. (Ephesians 6:1; Colossians 3:20; Matthew 15:4; Matthew 19:19)

6 You shall not murder.
I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. (Matthew 5:44-45; Matt. 5:21-26; Romans 13:9; 1 Timothy 1:9; 1 John 3:15; James 2:11; Matthew 19:18)

7 You shall not commit adultery.
I say to you whoever even looks at another in lust has already committed adultery in their heart. (Matthew 5:28, 1 Cor. 5:11, 1 Cor. 6:18, Galatians 5:19, Hebrews 13:4, James 2:11, Matthew 19:19, Romans 13:9)

8 You shall not steal.
Neither thieves, the greedy, or drunkards and robbers will inherit the Kingdom. (1 Corinthians 6:10, Romans 2:21, Mark 7:21, Ephesians 4:28, Romans 13:9, Matthew 19:18)

9 You shall not bear false witness.
For by your words, you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned. (Matthew 15:19, Ephesians 4:25, Col. 3:9; Matthew 19:18, Romans 13:9)

10 You shall not covet your neighbours possessions.
Take heed and beware of covetousness, for one’s life does not consist of the things he possesses. (Luke 12:15, Romans 7:7, Ephesians 5:3, 1 Tim. 6:10, Hebrews 13:5, Romans 13:9)

There is a lot of scriptures here and we have not even looked at all the scriptures in the NT on the 10 commandments on which the 4th commandment is one of the ten.

............................................

The purpose of God's LAW is to give us a knowledge of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS.

God's LAW (10 commandments) is our teacher revealing sin and the character of God and brings us to Christ at the foot of the cross that we might be saved by faith by Him who loves us and washed us in His own blood (Galatians 3:24; Revelation 1:5). Jesus came not to abolish the law, but to fulfil it ( Matt 5:17-20 ). The law is the embodiment of truth that instructs ( Rom 2:18-19 ). It is "holy" and "spiritual, " making sin known to us by defining it; therefore, Paul delights in it ( Romans 7:7-14 Romans 7:22 ). The law is good if used properly ( 1 Tim 1:8 ), and is not opposed to the promises of God ( Gal 3:21 ). Faith does not make the law void, but the Christian establishes the law ( Rom 3:31 ), fulfilling its requirements by walking according to the Spirit ( Rom 8:4 ) through love ( Rom 13:10 ).

You cannot know the power of God or the Gospel of Grace without the 10 commandments. If there is NO LAW then you do not know what SIN is (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4). If you do not know what SIN is you have NO need of a Savior. If you have NO need of a Savior you have NO Salvation. If you have NO Salvation you are LOST because it is written.

Romans 2
12, For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law

............................................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

Who will you follow?

I am following Jesus Christ, not Moses. I am a child of the New Covenant, not the Old. Who are you following?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I am following Jesus Christ, not Moses. I am a child of the New Covenant, not the Old. Who are you following?

I see, I BELIEVE and FOLLOW Jesus too. Its ok I did not think you would respond to the OP or posts with all the scriptures in them disagreeing with you. You do not have to respond here. Maybe you can pray about it.

 

[bbbbbbb]

I see, I BELIEVE and FOLLOW Jesus too. Its ok I did not think you would respond to the OP or posts with all the scriptures in them disagreeing with you. You do not have to respond here. Maybe you can pray about it.

Out of curiosity, what do you think about the Moral Law?

 

[Open Heart]

The 10 Commandments however are not called the 613 they are called the 10 Commandments in God's Word (Ex 34:28; Deut 4:13; 10:4) nothing was to be added to them and they have a difference purpose in the Old and NEW Covenant and the judgement to come compared to the Mosaic laws that were shadows written in the book of the Old Covenant pointing to the NEW.

It is God's Law, the Torah, (all 613) which may not be added to or taken away from.

Do you have a scripture that says the 10 have a unique purpose in OT and NT? I thought not.

 

[Open Heart]

Simply stating something you said the first time that I have already agreed does not answer the post I have sent to you in post # 801 as you have not adressed it or the scriptures in them.

Hello again.

Post 801 simply doesn't prove what you want it to prove.

Further more, the "laws of Moses" doesn't refer to the laws God dictated to Moses that were written down by Moses, but to the case law interpreted by Moses when people would come to him with questions on how to apply the law to particular situations. IOW what we call Oral Torah.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Hello again.

Post 801 simply doesn't prove what you want it to prove.

Further more, the "laws of Moses" doesn't refer to the laws God dictated to Moses that were written down by Moses, but to the case law interpreted by Moses when people would come to him with questions on how to apply the law to particular situations. IOW what we call Oral Torah.

Actually post # 801 (linked) does say what it says very plainly through God's Word as does the OP. If you believe it does not then please adress the post and OP and all the scripture in them.

Just saying you do not agree with all the scripture in post # 801 or the OP is only putting your word over God's when only God's Word is true. We should BELIEVE and FOLLOW the Word of God because only God's Word is true.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Do you have a scripture that says the 10 have a unique purpose in OT and NT? I thought not.

Why would I need a scripture that says that the 10 Commandments have a unique purpose in the new testament to the Old testament?

They have the same purpose they have always had as shown in post # 801 (linked) and that is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS.

God's 10 Commandments are the standard of the Old and NEW Covenant and the JUDGEMENT to come.

Sin is the breaking of God's 10 Commandments and will keep all who practice it out of God's Kingdom.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men everywhere to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

 

[Open Heart]

Why would I need a scripture that says that the 10 Commandments have a unique purpose in the new testament to the Old testament?

They have the same purpose they have always had as shown in post # 801 (linked) and that is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS.

God's 10 Commandments are the standard of the Old and NEW Covenant and the JUDGEMENT to come.

Sin is the breaking of God's 10 Commandments and will keep all who practice it out of God's Kingdom.

Post 801 showed nothing.

All 613 give us knowledge of sin and righteousness. For example, we know that incest and homosexuality are sins because of the 613, not the ten. Sin is the breaking of any of the 613 for Jews.

You are bereft of any verse or argument that shows that the 10 have any purpose apart from the 613. What you are doing is taking verses that apply to the 613, and misusing them to apply them only to the 10.

 

[Open Heart]

Actually post # 801 (linked) does say what it says very plainly through God's Word as does the OP. If you believe it does not then please adress the post and OP and all the scripture in them.

Just saying you do not agree with all the scripture in post # 801 or the OP is only putting your word over God's when only God's Word is true. We should BELIEVE and FOLLOW the Word of God because only God's Word is true.

LGW, I don't know what to tell you. There is nothing to address. The verses you quote simply don't say the things you say they say. You are quoting verses about the Law (the 613) and imagining they apply only to the 10.
1. "God's Law" refers to all 613, not just the 10
2. All 613 are not to be added to or taken away from
3. All 613 are l'olam vaed (forever, from this world until the next)
4. The laws of Moses are the Oral Torah / Case Law developed when Moses ruled on applying to the Law to individual circumstances. The 613 are God's Law -- they came out of the mouth of God.
5. We know what sin is because of the 613, i.e. incest, homosexuality

 

[Open Heart]

Actually post # 801 (linked) does say what it says very plainly through God's Word as does the OP. If you believe it does not then please adress the post and OP and all the scripture in them.

Just saying you do not agree with all the scripture in post # 801 or the OP is only putting your word over God's when only God's Word is true. We should BELIEVE and FOLLOW the Word of God because only God's Word is true.

LGW, I don't know what to tell you. There is nothing to address. The verses you quote simply don't say the things you say they say. You are quoting verses about the Law (the 613) and imagining they apply only to the 10.
1. "God's Law" refers to all 613, not just the 10
2. All 613 are not to be added to or taken away from
3. All 613 are l'olam vaed (forever, from this world until the next)
4. The laws of Moses are the Oral Torah / Case Law developed when Moses ruled on applying to the Law to individual circumstances. The 613 are God's Law -- they came out of the mouth of God.
5. We know what sin is because of the 613, i.e. incest, homosexuality

 

[LoveGodsWord]

LGW, I don't know what to tell you. There is nothing to address. The verses you quote simply don't say the things you say they say. You are quoting verses about the Law (the 613) and imagining they apply only to the 10.
1. "God's Law" refers to all 613, not just the 10
2. All 613 are not to be added to or taken away from
3. All 613 are l'olam vaed (forever, from this world until the next)
4. The laws of Moses are the Oral Torah / Case Law developed when Moses ruled on applying to the Law to individual circumstances. The 613 are God's Law -- they came out of the mouth of God.
5. We know what sin is because of the 613, i.e. incest, homosexuality

Of course there is plenty to address for you in post # 801.

You claim that God's 10 Commandments are the same as all the other laws written in the book of Moses. Yet the scriptures in post # 801 that your ignoring clearly disagree with you.

The scriptures in post # 801 clearly show that God's 10 Commandments have a different role and purpose to the Mosiac laws written in the book of the covenant for remission of SIN and the levitical priest hood which where Shadows that pointed and were fulfilled in Jesus.

Please if you disagree by all means make your case and adress the scriptures in the post and the OP that disagree with you. Just saying there is nothing to address or you do not believe something does not make the scriptures magically dissappear.

It only shows you either cannot adress the scriptures or you do not want to consider them.

Only God's Word is true and we should believe and FOLLOW him who LOVES us.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

LGW, I don't know what to tell you. There is nothing to address.

Also just continuing on from the last post. Think of the last two posts as one post......

Why did God make the 10 Commandments himself and speak them to his people persoanlly and say to Moses that these LAWS that he made were to be kept separated from the Mosiac book of the law that Moses wrote?

Why did he also say that nothing was to be added to his 10 Commandments?

What is the purpose of God's 10 Commandments in the OLD and NEW Covenant?

Why does the Bible call God's 10 Commandments the 10 Commandments and not the 613?

How many Commandments are there in God's 10 Commandments?

These questions have already been asnwered with scripture in a previous post you ignore that disagrees with you. I look forward to your response.

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

 

[Open Heart]

Also just continuing on from the last post. Think of the last two posts as one post......

Why did God make the 10 Commandments himself and speak them to his people persoanlly and say to Moses that these LAWS that he made were to be kept separated from the Mosiac book of the law that Moses wrote?

Why did he also say that nothing was to be added to his 10 Commandments?

What is the purpose of God's 10 Commandments in the OLD and NEW Covenant?

Why does the Bible call God's 10 Commandments the 10 Commandments and not the 613?

How many Commandments are there in God's 10 Commandments?

These questions have already been asnwered with scripture in a previous post you ignore that disagrees with you. I look forward to your response.

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

I have already answered these objections, but you don't seem to want to listen to me. I will answer one more time, and then I'm going to break off the conversation unless you directly reply to my response.

1. God says to not add or subtract from all his commandments, all his statutes and judgments:
Deuteronomy Chapter 4 1“Now, O Israel, listen to the statutes and the judgments which I am teaching you to perform, so that you may live and go in and take possession of the land which the Lord, the God of your fathers, is giving you. 2 You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

Deuteronomy Chapter 12 1“These are the statutes and the judgments which you shall carefully observe in the land which the Lord, the God of your fathers, has given you to possess earth. ...32 “Whatever I command you, you shall be careful to do; you shall not add to nor take away from it.

2. The commandments have more than one purpose. The NT states that it is to make us conscious of sin so that we will realize our need of a savior. The NT also states that following the commandments is a way to show love for God, and to know God. Jesus said that we gain eternal life by following the commandments. In the OT the commandments are given to create an ideal society. They enlighten the eyes, refreshes the soul, makes us wise, and gives joy to the heart.

3. The 10 were written by God (at least the first set), whereas the others were spoken by God and recorded by Moses.

Note: I'm sure you realize that the 10 commandments are recorded in two different places, a bit differently.

 

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Hello OH, nice to see you again my friend. Some comments for your consideration below.

I have already answered these objections, but you don't seem to want to listen to me. I will answer one more time, and then I'm going to break off the conversation unless you directly reply to my response.

Really? Where did you answer any of my posts and scriptures in them. You have only stated you disagree with them. This is not adressing anything as you have not responded to the scriptures, questions and content of the post sent to you. I am referring to post # 801; post # 817 and post # 818 If you have not responded to these posts and all the scriptures and questions in them how have you adressed them? Simply saying you do not agree with them does not adress the posts and the scriptures presented in them that disagree with you.

1. God says to not add or subtract from all his commandments, all his statutes and judgments:
Deuteronomy Chapter 4 1“Now, O Israel, listen to the statutes and the judgments which I am teaching you to perform, so that you may live and go in and take possession of the land which the Lord, the God of your fathers, is giving you. 2 You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you. Deuteronomy Chapter 12 1“These are the statutes and the judgments which you shall carefully observe in the land which the Lord, the God of your fathers, has given you to possess earth. ...32 “Whatever I command you, you shall be careful to do; you shall not add to nor take away from it.

And your point here is?

2. The commandments have more than one purpose. The NT states that it is to make us conscious of sin so that we will realize our need of a savior. The NT also states that following the commandments is a way to show love for God, and to know God. Jesus said that we gain eternal life by following the commandments. In the OT the commandments are given to create an ideal society. They enlighten the eyes, refreshes the soul, makes us wise, and gives joy to the heart.

And who is disagreeing this this? This is exactly what I have been sharing . Now you agree that this is the purpose of God's LAW (10 Commandments) in the New Testament that they give us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is then you must agree that God's 4th Commandment is one of the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:8:11) and the NEW Testament teaches that if we break ANY ONE of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God in SIN.

James 2
8, If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

3. The 10 were written by God (at least the first set), whereas the others were spoken by God and recorded by Moses. Note: I'm sure you realize that the 10 commandments are recorded in two different places, a bit differently.

Yes indeed but the 10 Commandments were the ONLY LAWS that were made by GOD himself written with God's own finger on two tables of stone. God commanded to be kept separated from the book of Moses in the ARK of the Covenant and God's 10 Commandments were the ONLY LAWS that were spoken by God himself to ALL of his people.

As you have rightly pointed out God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27) just like all of the other 10 Commandments if we KNOWINGLY break anyone of them we comit SIN. It is SIN that will keep all who practice it out of God's Kingdom.