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JESUS and the APOSTLES OBEYED GOD'S LAW and the SABBATH!

Discussion in 'Sabbath and The Law' started by LoveGodsWord, Sep 13, 2017.

  1. stuart lawrence

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    That doesn't address the point made
     
  2. LoveGodsWord

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    Does it matter? If it bothers you let me know and I will remove one.
     
  3. LoveGodsWord

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    I believe it does. If you believe it does not what was your point?
     
  4. stuart lawrence

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    I just asked you, how you could cite rom 3:20 in support of the law being the foundation of the NC and the judgement to come. I would still appreciate an answer
     
  5. stuart lawrence

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    I previously made it, just scroll back
     
  6. LoveGodsWord

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    I did not quote Romans 3:20 in support of the judgement it was a reference in relation to the statement before it to support that the Law gives us the knowledge of what sin is
     
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  7. LoveGodsWord

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    Sorry I still believe you were answered or I do not understand your point. If you have a point tell me what it is and how my answer did not address it? If I misunderstood something you said I am happy to re-address it.
     
  8. stuart lawrence

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    I suggest you reread post 35. You cited rom 3:20 TWICE
    The first time concerning the law gives us knowledge if sin, as you stated. The second time in relation to the law being the foundation of the NC and the judgement to come
     
  9. stuart lawrence

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    The point was made in the original post you responded to.
     
  10. LoveGodsWord

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    All the scripture references supplied at the end of the 1st statement in post # 35 were in relation to everything that was stated not just the judgement to come. This included "It was never a cure for sin." If it bothers you that it is in there twice just let me know and I will remove it. As it is not my purpose that it become a stumbling block to you.
     
  11. stuart lawrence

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    I simply wanted to know why, after stating the law was the foundation of the NC and the basis of the judgement, you then followed that statement up by citing rom 3:20 in support of it. I'm sure everyone else understands what I am stating here. It baffles me you seem to be struggling to understand
     
  12. LoveGodsWord

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    No problem. I understood your question fine and you have been answered so there is no problem right?
     
  13. stuart lawrence

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    No I have not been answered, and everyone reading this conversation will see I have not been answered.
    After stating the law reveals the sin you correctly cited rom 3:20 in support of that.
    You then stated the law is the foundation of the NC and the judgement to come. You submitted scripture in support of that statement also, including, once more rom 3:20

    I wanted to know why. You seem reluctant to explain
     
  14. LoveGodsWord

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    Friends,

    It is important to believe all of God's Word because that is where life to the believer comes from (Matthew 4:4). It will be the Word of God that will judge us in the last days (John 12:47-48). Salvation is from sin and not in sin. If your faith leads to a life of known unrepentant sin you have not been born again and do not know Jesus and do not have the faith of God’s Word (James 2:20).

    The Gospel is not Jesus calling the righteous but sinners to repentance (Matthew 9:13). Whosoever commits sin is a servant of sin and if the son shall make you free you shall be free indeed (John 8:34-36). Jesus says, Marvel not that I say unto you, Ye must be born again. (John 3:7) because whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. (1 John 3:9). Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God (Luke 8:11).

    It is only by faith in God's Word that we have salvation from sin. Jesus says; If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free from sin (John 8:31-36). For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God (Ephesians 2:8). Only sinners that need a Savior have salvation because the sinner knows he cannot save himself (Matthew 9:13; John 15:5). We are not saved by God's Law (Romans 3:20). God's Law gives us a knowledge of sin and brings us to Jesus so we can be saved (1 John 3:4; Romans 3:30; Romans 7:7; Galatians 3:24).

    There is no Gospel without God's Law because there is no knowledge of sin. If there is no knowledge of sin there is no need of a Savior. If there is no need of a Savior there is no salvation. If there is no salvation you are lost and without hope and the scripture is fulfilled for as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law (Romans 2:12). Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law (Romans 3:31).

    Now it’s time for an intermission and the reason why we love him..



    We love him because he first loved us (1 John 4:19). Love is the fulfilling of God's Law in us who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit (Romans 13:9-10; Romans 8:4).. Jesus says if you love me keep my commandments... (John 14:15) If you are not you are not following God and do not have the love of God in you (1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:6-10) All I can say is that I love Jesus and wish you all only love, joy and peace in the Holy Ghost who God gives to those that obey him through faith (Acts 5:32).

    James tells us that if we break one of God’s commandments we are guilty before God of breaking all of God’s Law and are in danger of the judgement. (James 2:8-12). This includes God’s 4th commandment, the 7th day Sabbath.

    In Christ Always!
     
  15. stuart lawrence

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    Let us be clear. As LGW stated. No one can obey the letter of the law. Therefore, no Christian is without sin
     
  16. LoveGodsWord

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    Stuart you have your explanation in posts # 38; 42; 46 and 50. You were indeed answered. It seems that having two references in the post has become a stumbling block to you so for this reason I have decided to go back and delete one of those scripture references for you. Hope this helps.
     
  17. LoveGodsWord

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    Absolutely! We are all sinners in need of a Savior. The good news however is that we have a Savior who wants to save us from our sins so that we can love and obey him. For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believes; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek (Romans 1:16)
     
  18. stuart lawrence

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    There is true Christianity, and there is not true Christianity.
    The person who receives a true conversion has repented and asked Christ to be Lord and Saviour of their life.
    The law is then written in their mind and placed on their heart. And that event, forever changes the convert. They can no longer sin in ignorance, they can no longer happily sin without conscience. They can no longer happily live as their flesh would naturally desire to live. When they commit what we term wilfull sin, they will have no rest, or peace until they come before their Father in heaven and repent/ say sorry for their folly. And they will come, as surely as night follows day, for they will have no rest of peace until they do so, for they have gone against how they in their heart want to live and know they should live.
    For these people:
    Their sins and lawless deeds will be remembered no more.
    No one has to tell them they must obey Gods laws, for the law God desires them to follow is in their heart and mind. It is part of their DNA if you like, part of who they are. For they have been born again of the Holy Spirit.
    Allways remember, when people tell you, you must obey the law, those stressing that will themselves transgress the law, for no one can obey the letter of it
    Indeed, those who continually preach you must obey the law, should at the same time state they themselves many, many times fail in obedience to it. Then they are showing love to their neighbour. For if they don't state that, some may mistakenly believe people who preach observance of the law fully obey it themselves. Then those who may try and follow their message become crushed by knowing they cannot faultlessly obey
     
  19. LoveGodsWord

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    No one is telling you that you must obey God's Law to be saved. Only that if you have unrepentant sin in your life you are not following God's Word as it is written;

    Hebrews 10:26-27
    26, For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

    and again..

    Hebrews 6:4-8
    4, For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. 7, For the earth which drinks in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and brings forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: 8, But that which bares thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

    In Christ Always!
     
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  20. stuart lawrence

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    A word of advice. People are not fools. Those reading our conversation will easily see which one of us is making honest and correct statements
     
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