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Jerusalem our Mother ?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Carl Emerson, Jun 30, 2020.

  1. Carl Emerson

    Carl Emerson Well-Known Member

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    Can I encourage discussion on the following verses please.

    Gal 4:25-26
    25 Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem above is free; she is our mother.

    Rev 21:9-10
    9 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and spoke with me, saying, “Come here, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.”
    10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God...

    Are we to relate to the Heavenly Jerusalem as a spiritual mother and the bride of Christ?

    Have we failed to give these verses the weight they deserve?
     
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  2. Andrewn

    Andrewn Well-Known Member CF Ambassadors Supporter

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    Excellent observation. It makes perfect sense.

    The heavenly Jerusalem is the Bride of of Christ: the Victorious Church.

    At the same time She is our mother.

    The Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

    So, the Heavenly Jerusalem is the bride and the Temple is the bridegroom.

    And the whole description of the city is really a description of the Victorious Church.
     
  3. concretecamper

    concretecamper Member of His Church

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    Paul's letter to the Ephesians tells us the the Church is the Bide of Christ.

    Therefore as the church is subject to Christ: so also let the wives be to their husbands in all things. Husbands, love your wives, as Christ also loved the church and delivered himself up for it. That he might sanctify it, cleansing it by the laver of water in the word of life, That he might present it to himself, a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing;
     
  4. ViaCrucis

    ViaCrucis Evangelical Catholic of the Augsburg Confession

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    Seeing as the heavenly, new Jerusalem, God's City, is also broadly understood to be the Church, God's people, this is also one of the reasons why the Church is at times spoken of as being a mother to the Faithful. St. Augustine saying one cannot have God as his Father without the Church as his mother.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
  5. BobRyan

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    Heb 12
    18 For you have not come to a mountain that can be touched and to a blazing fire, and to darkness and gloom and whirlwind, 19 and to the blast of a trumpet and the sound of words which sound was such that those who heard begged that no further word be spoken to them. 20 For they could not bear the command, “If even a beast touches the mountain, it will be stoned.” 21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, “I am full of fear and trembling.” 22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, 23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel.

    Rev 12
    10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, 11 having the glory of God. Her brilliance was like a very costly stone, as a stone of crystal-clear jasper. 12 It had a great and high wall, with twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels; and names were written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the sons of Israel. 13 There were three gates on the east and three gates on the north and three gates on the south and three gates on the west. 14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundation stones, and on them were the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

    All literal.. all true.
     
  6. Andrewn

    Andrewn Well-Known Member CF Ambassadors Supporter

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    Your assertion doesn't address the OP.
     
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