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Featured Jerusalem - mystery Babylon because of Revelation 11:8?

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Douggg, Sep 3, 2018.

  1. Copperhead

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    Well, use of the same Greek word does not mean the same time frame, just like use of the same Hebrew word doesn't mean the same time frame.

    The big problem with tying Revelation in with the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD is that the book was written after 70AD. I know that some, like Hank Hanegraff and others have tried to date it earlier, but a major debate was held between Hanegraff and Mark Hitchcock where it was shown beyond a reasonable doubt (Hitchcock is a lawyer) that Revelation has a later date of authorship. And it is quite a stretch to make the case that Revelation is a history book as opposed to a prophetic book.
     
  2. berachah

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    It has nothing to do with corporate, collective or national return. It is the Jewish faith accepting the truth of Christ as a religion. Totally void of any connection to this demonic state in Palestine.

    Incredible ignorance of end times! The scripture is clear there is a falling away before the end

    I suggest you go read the purity laws of the OT & the demands of Ezra on the returning Jews. The entire law must be fulfilled 100% or those that follow it are under a curse - Galatians

    Thessalonians clearly states Christ will return to magnified within the body of Christ.

    The problem with these carnal interpretations is they conveniently pick and chose which scriptures were relevant to Israel and which are not.

    Israel is the conduit for the antichrist world govt nothing less. The Jews will persecute Christians just as cruelly did in the Russian revolution Armenia and every other they have gained power.

    Of course they return to God, but it through Christ and has nothing to do with the old land, temple or covenant. End of story.
     
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  3. Copperhead

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    I would be extremely cautious if I were you. "Palestine" is not the name of the territory. Never has been. It was the name, in Latin, that the Romans gave to the land. It is from "Philistine" the name of the long term enemies of Israel in the Bible. It was a dig into both Israel and the God of Israel.

    And, another reason to be cautious, the Lord made a unconditional covenant with Abraham, and reaffirmed it to both Isaac and Jacob, that He would bless those who bless the Hebrews and curse those who curse the Hebrews. and He said that would be the case as long as the sun rises, the moon is out at night, and the waves roar upon the seashore. If one isn't sure if modern Israel is legit, it might be wise to just keep their mouth shut just to be on the safe side.

    If you want to poke your finger in they eye of God, that is your prerogative. Don't be surprised if there are consequences in doing so.

    Like 2 Thessalonians 2:3? Well, that verse is not quite translated correctly. Virtually every English translation prior to the 1611 KJV had it translated as "Departure" or "The Departure" as opposed to "Falling Away". Even the Latin Vulgate (4th century) uses "dicessio" in it's translation, which also means a physical departure. So the passage may actually be referencing the removal of the righteous as opposed to "falling away".

    But there indeed will be some sort of departure from Biblical truth in the latter days. Isaac Newton seemed to have a real good take on that over 300 year ago.....

    “About the time of the end, a body of men will be raised up who will turn their attention to the Prophecies, and insist upon their literal interpretation, in the midst of much clamor and opposition.”
    Sir Issac Newton 1642-1727

    It is possible also that, in part, the "falling away" that commonly gets thrown around is a departure from the truth in scripture regarding Israel. The denial of the promises of YHVH regarding the Hebrews. So I would, again, be very cautious about throwing around "falling away" too quickly. It seems that Shakespeare was onto something in his work "Hamlet" when he stated something that we have changed the wording around a little to fit common parlance..... "Ye doth protest too much, me thinks". Those that rant and rave against modern Israel may well indeed be playing right into the hands of the enemies of YHVH.

    We do know for certain the Lord was right when He stated that Jerusalem would be a problem in the latter days....

    Zechariah 12:3 And it shall happen in that day that I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all peoples; all who would heave it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it.
     
  4. Copperhead

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    Using your take on these issues, then Yeshua is not the Messiah. That is essentially what you are claiming in that statement. Boaz's mother was Rahab... the woman who lived in Jericho who helped the recon team of Israel. Boaz was 1/2 Hebrew. Boaz married Ruth, the Moabitess. Their son was Obed. That made Obed 1/4 Hebrew. Obed was the grandfather of King David. The lineage of Yeshua included those who were only 1/4 Hebrew.

    We are not talking about details or purity regarding the requirements of the Torah. If that were true, then none are worthy.... NONE, both Hebrew and Gentile. I am countering this nonsense regarding there are non DNA legitimate Hebrew people around today as an argument that modern Israel is invalid. One does not have to be even 50% Hebrew to be still be considered a true, physical Hebrew in the eyes of the Lord.

    Let's look at that.....

    Hosea 5:14 - 6:2 For I will be like a lion to Ephraim,
    And like a young lion to the house of Judah. (sounds like the totality of Jacob/Israel to me)
    I, even I, will tear them and go away;
    I will take them away, and no one shall rescue.
    15 I will return again to My place
    Till they acknowledge their offense. (refer to Matthew 23:39)
    Then they will seek My face;
    In their affliction they will earnestly seek Me.” (refer to Jeremiah 30:7)
    1 Come, and let us return to the Lord; For He has torn, but He will heal us;
    He has stricken, but He will bind us up.
    2 After two days He will revive us;
    On the third day He will raise us up,
    That we may live in His sight.

    Verse 14 shows that the entirety of Jacob (Israel) is referenced. Both Israel and Judah. Their rejection of Him would cause Him to return to His place until they acknowledge their offense. Yeshua reaffirmed this in Matthew 23:39. He will not return until they acknowledge Yeshua as the Messiah, and when that happens is in their national affliction which Jeremiah refers to as the "time of Jacob's trouble" which is the last days time frame.

    Yeah, that really sounds like a carnal interpretation of that passage. Sarcasm intended.
     
  5. Copperhead

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    You need to see a doctor. You need professional help.
     
  6. berachah

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  7. berachah

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    The devil always come with threats and violence. You would make a great Israeli. God also said the Jews would have the land forever and guess what ? He kicked them out for their rebellion, the stiff necks and their murder of His Son Jesus Christ. To this day they teach Jesus Christ is tormented in hell, boiling in semen and faeces. And God is going to favour them over His Son, His Body? You are the offence to God. You would do well to study Romans 4 to deliver yourself from the Antichrist mindset. Until you comprehend basic doctrine I suggest you SHUT YOUR MOUTH. What arrogance!

    How about you go and study the moral, spiritual and social decline in the US and these west since they started supporting these murderous brood of vipers in the Middle East. There are the facts about blessing and favour for all to see, if you are not totally blinded by your false doctrine

    If you anything about end time prophecy, ANYTHING, you would know the new is revealed in the Old. What happened to the Jews, is going to happen to the Body of Christ. I will never cast one more pearl before you on this particular subject, because your thinking is corrupted beyond understanding. Go study the OT and see what is ahead for the Body of Christ.



    And you are not literally applying end time, spiritual events, to a natural, godless entity in Palestine? One that is routinely killing children, dispossessing families of their homes, treating them like animals. How much evil are you willing to tolerate to support this brood of vipers?? God is not a respecter of persons, that is very clear. Perhaps you have forgotten many of those murdered and dispossessed were and are Christians.

    Your ongoing threats & accusations follow a pattern that has been around many years... the same kind of people, spoke the same way to Nehemiah. I reject your threats, in Jesus name.

    Clueless, totally void of any understanding. vs 12:2 talks about Judah, which does not exist anymore, nor ever will, and 12:4 "I will smite every horse with astonishment". By your theory there are going to be horses coming against Jerusalem. This is the foolishness of the natural interpretation trying to bend and squirm to justify this Zionist plague against humanity and Christ?? Those scriptures were fulfilled and recorded in the times of Jesus (note 12:10) and they will be fulfilled again spiritually against the body of Christ (the new Jerusalem) at the end of this dispensation.

    It is the same with every teaching that tries to justify the ungodly group of murderers in Palestine. Incidentally, the people persecuted most after the Palestinians are the Tanakh believing Jews. There are
    millions of them that reject the state of Israel, calling it an evil deception.
     
  8. berachah

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    The only purpose, THE ONLY PURPOSE, of the promised land was for the presence of the temple for God to come dwell amongst his people. Jesus fulfilled the old. Through Christ the presence (the infilling of the Holy Spirit) has come upon the the Body of Christ (the new Jerusalem). Any attempt to revive and support the Old, is in direct contradiction of all that Christ did and fulfilled and ushered in. You want to support that which many faithful Jews rejected (to follow Christ), then do and receive the judgements you so freely hand out to those that reject it. Because they are cursed, through scripture, by the words of the prophets by the words of Christ and of Paul and by their own words on the day they crucified Jesus.

    Anything else you suppose or think is irrelevant.
     
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  9. berachah

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    John was speaking of spiritual things, of things against the Body of Christ. The natural Jews are currently separated from God, corrupted and going to hell. The devil is now only interested in destroying that which is Christ's, that is the Body of Christ. While you look to the Antichrist copy in Palestine, the whole purpose of which is to redo the work of Christ through the fake Messiah, spiritual warfare will be bringing the church into bondage. This doctrine is so carnal and downright ignorant.
     
  10. Copperhead

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    Without the context saying that John is speaking of spiritual things, one cannot legitimately make that claim.

    Still, Yeshua is not going to return until physical, literal, both houses of Jacob acknowledge their corporate, national rejection of Him, and turn to Him and petition for His return. The Church, anything spiritual, or the man in the moon has nothing to do with it. And that has not happened yet, so the purposes of the GT period as outlined in throughout scripture have not materialized yet. Therefore, the Preterist model falls flat on its face.

    And it is because Yeshua clearly stated that He would not return until Jacob (Israel) acknowledge their offense of rejection and petition for His return to rescue them in their "time of Jacob's trouble" (Jeremiah) that Satan has been working overtime to nullify any Hebrew presence on the earth, so that prophecy cannot be fulfilled.

    The Church is indeed a target of Satan, no doubt. That was a given all along and scripture also has a lot to say about most of the the "Church" becoming ineffectual in the latter days because of that. But it still has nothing to do with Yeshua's returning or not returning to the earth. Yeshua stated it quite clearly in Hosea and in Matthew, so there is still a calling and purpose for the literal Hebrew people. One can dismiss it all they want, use red herrings like DNA or some lost tribes nonsense. But all that is doing, is calling Yeshua a liar.

    Hosea 5:14 - 6:2 For I will be like a lion to Ephraim,
    And like a young lion to the house of Judah. (both houses of Jacob)
    I, even I, will tear them and go away;
    I will take them away, and no one shall rescue. (the diaspora)
    15 I will return again to My place
    Till they acknowledge their offense
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    Then they will seek My face;
    In their affliction they will earnestly seek Me. (time of Jacob's trouble per Jeremiah)
    1 Come, and let us return to the Lord; For He has torn, but He will heal us;
    He has stricken, but He will bind us up.
    2 After two days He will revive us; (2000 years using Psalms 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8)
    On the third day He will raise us up, (the Millennial Kingdom)
    That we may live in His sight.

    Matthew 23:37-39 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! 38 See! Your house is left to you desolate; 39 for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!
     
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  11. parousia70

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    Ughh...

    All late date testimony rests squarely on the shoulders of one solitary statement by Irenaeus, and it is disputed as to what it even says (was John seen? --or-- was the Revelation seen? -- who knows what Irenaeus said). Even Eusebius rejects Irenaeus testimony and prefers that a different John (John the Presbyter) wrote the book, not the apostle, as Irenaeus believes. This is important, and for certain, the late date folks that came after were merely basing their opinions on Irenaeus! Scholars agree that Irenaeus' statement is questionable at best, and it contradicts other things Irenaeus said about "ancient copies" of the book of Revelation (Eusebius: Ecc History: 5:8:5-6; see also Against Heresies 5:30:1,3). The notion of "ancient copies" of the book of Revelation cannot be reconciled with the proposition that Revelation was seen "almost in Irenaeus' generation" -- however it could be reconciled with the view that Irenaeus actually stated that JOHN was seen in Domitian's reign, not the vision. Then again, Irenaeus also claimed Jesus lived to be over 50 years old! "

    ...after the fortieth and fiftieth year, it begins to verge towards elder age: which our Lord was of when He taught, as the Gospel and all the Elders witness, who in Asia conferred with John the Lord's disciple...."(Against Heresies 2:22:5)

    So, we must not uncritically swallow Irenaeus historic testimony. Scholars admit that Irenaeus' quote concerning Revelation is all the evidence there is for a late date, and that his quote is inconclusive as to even what it means:

    Daniel Denham (1979)
    "The testimony of Irenaeus is considered the bastion of the evidence for the Late Date...The obscurity of the testimony, as it has come down to us, must be considered as weak and inconclusive to demand the Late Date." (Date of the Book Of Revelation"; H. Daniel Denham, Part 1, 1979)

    Steve Gregg
    "Since the text is admittedly "uncertain" in many places, and the quotation in question is known only from a Latin translation of the original, we must not place too high a degree of certainty upon our preferred reading of the statement of Irenaeus." (Revelation: Four Views, p. 18)

    The quote from Irenaeus is considered to be weak and inconclusive, and it can even read that JOHN was seen in the reign of Domitian. (Robert Young even thinks NERO was intended, which would fully accord with Irenaeus statement about the "ancient copies" of the book of Revelation.)

    There are also Arethas, the Muratorian Canon, Clement of Alexandria, & the Syriac Vulgate -- all these statements require an early date.

    The Muratorian Canon of AD 170, for example, says that Paul, in writing to only seven churches, was following a rule set by John. For Paul to be following a rule set by John about writing to only seven churches, Paul had to know that John wrote to seven churches -- and this requires that Paul knew about Revelation 2-3 before his martyrdom.

    And I haven't even touched the internal evidence of the book, which entirely demands that the vision speaks of a soon catastrophe of grave Jewish importance, which historically cannot fit any time but 66-70 AD. The book of Revelation is the prophecy of the catastrophy of the downfall of Israel and the avenging of the blood of the apostles and prophets.
     
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    Matthew and Luke agrees with thee........
    Luke goes together with Revelation like white on rice [I believe it is also the longest gospel of the 4?, along with being my favorite]


    "DAYS OF VENGEANCE" Isaiah 61:2 and Luke 21:22 Revelation


    Isaiah 61:2
    To proclaim<7121> the year of the good pleasure<7522> of Yahweh,
    And the day of vengeance <5359> of our 'Elohim, To comfort all mourners.
    [Luke 4:16-21 Luke 13:30-34 Luke 18:7 Luke 21:22 Revelation 6:10 Revelation 19:2]


    Luke 21:22
    For these are the days of vengeance<1557>,
    to fulfill<4130> all things having been written<1125>.
    [Isaiah 61:2]

    G1557 (KJV)
    vindication, retribution:--(a-, re-)venge(-ance), punishment.
    Strong's Number G1557 occurs 10 times in 9 verses
    G1556 (KJV)
    to vindicate, retaliate, punish:--a (re-)venge.
    Strong's Number G1556 occurs 6 times in 6 verses

    And this all ties Luke in with Revelation, IMHO

    Luke 18:7
    “And shall God not avenge<1557> His own elect/chosen
    who cry out day and night to Him, though He bears long with them?
    [Revelation 6:10 Revelation 19:2]

    Revelation 6:10
    and they were crying-out with a great voice saying,
    'how long! O Master/Owner,<1203>(despot) the Holy and the True, dost Thou not judge
    and take vengeance/avenge<1556> of our blood from those dwelling upon the land?'


    Matthew 23:
    37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!
    38 Behold! your house is left unto you desolate/a wilderness!<2048>
    Luke 13:
    34 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, but you were not willing!
    35 “See! Your house is left to you desolate/a wilderness!

    Revelation 19:2
    because true and just/righteous<1342> are His judgments,
    because He did judge the great Whore who did corrupt the land in Her whoredom,
    and He did avenge<1556> the blood of His bond-servants at Her Hand;


    to be continued..........
     
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    Gen 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
    Gen 12:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
    Gen 12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed

    The promise above was made to Abram, instead of those who reject God's Son.

    This fact is confirmed below by the Apostle Paul.


    Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

    Who was the seed of Abraham through which "all" of the families of the earth would be blessed?
    Is it those who reject Christ?

    Dispensationalists have attempted to highjack Genesis 12:3, by replacing the name Abram with all of his descendants, even those who reject Christ.
    1 John 2:22-23 reveals the error of this form of "Replacement Theology".

    It is a form of Dual Covenant Theology, based on race, instead of faith.

    .
     
  14. Copperhead

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    You might want to watch a very good debate between Hank Hanegraff and Mark Hitchcock regarding this issue. A lot more than Irenaeus is discussed for support of a later date than 70AD for Revelation.

    I will help you out...
     
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    There was a very lengthy discussion on that over on the Dispensationalism board.
    It is still open...............
    :angel:

    IT IS FINISHED!

    National Israel is cursed forever !

    National Israel is cursed forever ! (2)


    Quote OP: [Just click "expand" to view the op post]
     
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  16. Copperhead

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    Actually, that we or anyone else is debating this is pretty sad. It should have been a settled issue almost 2000 years ago.

    I always fall back on Hosea 5:14 - 6:2. No matter how one slices it, Yeshua is claiming there that He will return to His place until they (verse 14.. both houses of Jacob) acknowledge their offense of rejecting Him. In verse 15, “till” they acknowldge that, He will not return.

    So there has to be a literal Hebrew people and leadership to do that. It certainly has nothing to do with the Church since Yeshua returned to His place before the Church was conceived at Shavuot (Pentecost).

    Besides, it would make no sense that the redeemed rejected Yeshua.
     
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    The whole doctrine of zionist dispensationalism relies on the dating of Revelation, instead of what it is symobolizing......the end of OC Judaism.......headquartered in Jerusalem in the land Judea.......
    Paul was Jew from the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews emeshed in OC Judaism.
    He told His followers to flee the OC religion of Judaism of the flesh.....Just as Jesus told His followers to flee out of 1st century Judea and Jerusalem.
    [I recommend a good study on the covenantle parable of the Rich Man[House of Judah, the Jews] and Poor Man [House of Israel and Gentiles]


    Galatians 1:
    13 for ye did hear of my behaviour once in Judaism, that exceedingly I was persecuting the assembly of God, and wasting it,
    14 and I was advancing in Judaism above many equals in age in mine own race, being more abundantly zealous of my fathers' deliverances,

    Philippians 3:2
    Beware of-the dogs, beware of-the evil workers, beware of-the circumcision! [Psalms 22:16]
    3 For we-are the circumcision, ones to Spirit of God worship boasting in Christ Jesus, and not in flesh having confidence.

    2 Corinthians 6:17
    wherefore come-forth out of midst of them! and be being separated! is saying Lord...........

    Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary
    Matthew 24:16
    “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
    19 “But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those, the days!
    Mark 13:
    14 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
    17 “But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
    Luke 21:
    21 “Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains,
    22 That days of vengeance<1557> these are, of the to be fulfilled all the having been written<1125>, .
    23 “But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
    For there will be Great Distress in the land and wrath/ὀργὴ <3709> upon this people.

    Matthew 23:37
    “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her!
    Luke 13:34
    “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her!

    Revelation 18:4
    And I hear another voice out of the heaven saying "come forth! out of Her My people......................

    Revelation 19:3
    And a second-time they have declared "allelouia!
    and the Smoke of Her is ascending into the Ages of the Ages".

    And harmonizes perfectly with this:

    Revelation 14:11
    And the Smoke of the tormenting of Them is ascending into Ages to-Ages....... [Luke 16:24,26]
    OC House of Judah and Priesthood


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  18. Copperhead

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    You are confusing Hebrew with Judaism and the purposes and calling of God regarding the Hebrew people as a collective body. And that has nothing to do with individual salvation.

    Hosea 5:14 - Hosea 6:2 still in play.
     
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    Good post and info.

    For many months I spent time harmonizing the Temple/Jerusalem discourses in Matthew, Mark and Luke.

    Harmonization of Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21, Revelation and Josephus

    Then I began seeing more of Luke and Matthew in Revelation than Mark, so I started focusing more on Luke and am I glad I did!
    Did you realize that there are some that view Luke's Temple/Jerusalem discourses as a different event than Matt and Mark's Temple discourses, which they view as still future!!!.
    This utterly stunned me and vexed my Spirit when I saw this....sigh....

    LUKE 21 MATTHEW 24 OLIVET DISCOURSE CONTROVERSY [Poll Thread]
    Matthew 24 and Luke 21 Controversy

    And here I posted this thread on "captivity and sword", and so far 9 votes.......yes 3 votes - no 4 votes - and 1 each of "I don't know" or "other".
    Interesting poll results and shows the division that is prevalent among different Christian sects/denominations...........

    Captivity and sword Luke 21:24 Revelation 13:10 [Poll thread "Luke 21:24 and Revleation 13:10 showing 70ad destruction of Jerusalem? ]

    Luke 21:24
    And they shall be falling to mouth of sword and they shall be being led captive into all the nations.
    And Jerusalem shall be being trodden by nations until which may be being filled times of nations.
    [Deuteronomy 28:68/Reve 11:2/13:10]

    This concerns that Great City/Harlot/Babylon in Revelation........

    Revelation 13:10
    If any to-captivity into captivity is going away.
    If any in sword to be killed, is binding him in sword to be killed.
    Here is the endurance and the faith of the saints


    The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
    The Destruction of Jerusalem
    An Absolute and Irresistible PROOF OF THE DIVINE ORIGIN OF CHRISTIANITY:
    "I consider the Prophecy relative to the destruction of the Jewish nation,
    if there were nothing else to support Christianity, as absolutely irresistible."

    (Mr. Erskine's Speech, at the Trial of Williams, for publishing Paine's Age of Reason)

    The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover................

    Of the Jews destroyed during the siege, Josephus reckons not less than ONE MILLION AND ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND, .................Not less than two thousand laid violent hands upon themselves.
    Of the captives the whole was about NINETY-SEVEN THOUSAND.

    ........the tallest and most beautiful youths, together with several of the Jewish nobles were reserved by Titus to grace his triumphal entry into Rome.
    After this selection, all above the age of seventeen were sent in chains into Egypt, to be employed there as slaves,
    or distributed throughout the empire to be sacrificed as gladiators in the amphitheatres ;
    whilst those who were under this age, were exposed to sale.[Deuteronomy 28:68]

    Deuteronomy 28:
    15 If, however, you do not obey Yahweh thy Elohim by carefully following all His commandments and statutes I am giving you today,
    all these curses will come upon you and overtake you:
    67
    In the morning you will say, ‘If only it were evening!’ and in the evening you will say, ‘If only it were morning!’—because of the dread in your hearts of the terrifying sights you will see.
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    “And Yahweh will take you back to Egypt in ships, by the way of which I said to you, ‘You shall never see it again.'

    And there you shall be offered for sale to your enemies as male and female slaves, but no one will buy you.”





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  20. BABerean2

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    Hosea was written between 722- 710 BC, which was long before the captivity in Babylon.

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