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Featured Jerusalem Is The Whore Of Revelation, Mystery Babylon The Great

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Truth7t7, Jan 3, 2018.

  1. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    Hi Marvin, the great whore - the Vatican. Mystery, Babylon the great - something different.

    Do you remember the Ku KLux Klan calling itself the "invisible empire" ? Along those same lines, think of Babylon the Great as a mystical invisible empire - of Satan. Whose merchandise is wickedness and violence.

    In that context, the description of the collapse of the world's economy system in Revelation 18 is being decribed "like" a great city which is destroyed and all its wealth, built on wickedness and violence of the invisible empire. The description in Revelation 18, such as seeing the smoke rise from afar off, and no more happy music, is like a parable of such a great city being destroyed. It is not a literal city, such as New York. For in the Babylon the Great, the invisible empire, is all the blood of the prophets and saints.

    It will be the downfall of the world's economic system, sometime during the seven years, probably near the midpoint, and it won't be coming back. The beast ruling the world at that will take advantage to implement the 666 system.

    Even now, since the 2009 crisis triggered by the mortage back securities collapse, the central banks around the world have been propping up the stock and bond markets globally, and the banking system, even buying directly stocks in the stock markets around the world. There is a day of reckoning coming soon, although it may not be the total collapse that is going to take place during the 7 years. Everything has been based on lies and manipulation.
     
  2. Dave-W

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    Careful. Your antisemitism is showing.
     
  3. LastSeven

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    I think you and I are on the same page.
     
  4. LastSeven

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    Please don't start that.
     
  5. Truth7t7

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    TribulationSign believes "Mystery Babylon" is the apostate Church.

    Revelation 18:24 states this Whore/Mystery Babylon is Guilty of the prophets Blood?

    Church wasn't Around to fulfill this, The Jews Did fulfill this Matthew 23:35-37 Jerusalem, Thou That Killest The Prophets.

    Jerusalem Is The City, Jews are the people.
     
  6. Truth7t7

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    I guess Jesus was antisemitic because he turned the tables over in the temple?

    Probably a terrorist too?

    Anger management 101?

    Psychlogical Evaluation By Dr. Phil Required?

    Get off your false claims of antisemitism.

    My Lord And Savior Jesus Christ Walked In Jewish Flesh, God Almighty!

    Jerusalem Is The Whore
    Of Revelation, Mystery Babylon The Great!

    The Future Antichrist Will Be Jew/Hebrew In Decent

    Daniel 9:24KJV

    "Neither Shall He Regard The God Of His Fathers"

    Jesus Christ Is Lord

    Truth7t7
     
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  7. iamlamad

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    I could not have said it better. Good job!
     
  8. iamlamad

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    It is not the Jews that will make Jerusalem as Mystery Babylon, the great whore. It will be the Beast and false prophet deceiving the entire world from this city - making this city the center for the worse deception ever foisted upon the human race.

    I suspect many secular Jews will be deceived - but I hope not.
     
  9. iamlamad

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    I don't understand why you imagine something different than what John wrote. Is it that difficult to understand that the woman seen riding the Beast is a CITY? How can you separate what John shows as the same?

    4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

    5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.

    A woman was seen riding a Beast. The woman has a cup full of abominations and the filth of fornication. This is not physical fornication - it is whoring after a false god. Then, upon her forhead is her name or perhaps title: Mystery, Babylon the Great, the mother of harlots and Abominations of the Earth."

    Therefore, the woman, Mystery Babylon, Babylon the Great, all are speaking of ONE THING, not two ore more, but ONE.

    She was drunk with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. Please, please keep this in context: the days of GT that Jesus spoke of are over at this point. Probably multiplied millions have been put to death by way of beheading. She was drunk with the blood of these saints slain during the days of great tribulation. And these were martyrs of Jesus Christ - at least (probably) most of them. Probably at this time, after the 70th week has closed, the days of great tribulation will have ceased: remember Jesus said they would be shortened.

    After all, when all the vials have been poured out, the Kingdom is plunged into deep deep darkness. Not a star, not the sun, not the moon - NO LIGHT at all. And those who worship the beast will be in pain. None of the armies of the beast have any more desire to hunt down believers.

    Then John tells us: " I will tell thee the mystery of the woman"

    So what is the mystery?

    18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

    So what city reigned over the kingdoms of earth for the last 3 1/2 years? There can be only one answer: JERUSALEM, where the Beast and false prophet have been for that time.
     
  10. Truth7t7

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    The Jew will be a major part of this deception, the future Antichrist/Beast will be Jew

    Daniel 9:24KJV

    "Neither Shall He Regard The God Of His Fathers"

    Are you blind to the fact, Judaism is deeply involved in the "Evil Babylonian Talmud" & "Kaballah" as their spiritual guides?

    Are you blind to the fact Jerusalem has homosexuals marching in the street in gay pride parades?

    Are you blind to the fact, God states the spiritual condition of Jerusalem at the time of the two witnesses is likened to Sodom & Egypt?

    Israel is not the holy land, and Jerusalem is not the holy city, read and heed.

    "Christian Zionism" has blinded the eyes of many, I pray your's may be open.

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  11. LastSeven

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    I'm not sure what his views are regarding that particular subject. I was referring to the beast and the mark.

    The whore, in my opinion, is the Israel of the old covenant (aka Jerusalem, aka the Jewish people)
     
  12. LastSeven

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    A city is its people, so in this context "Jerusalem" and "the Jews" are synonymous.
     
  13. Truth7t7

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    TS believes the whore is the apostate church, I been posting with him for years.

    I agree that the old testament Jews are in the lineage of the blood inherited as seen in Matthew 23:35-37

    However I believe this blood will go forward to a future literal Jewish Man "Beast" and a future literal city on this earth "Jerusalem" where the beast will rule the Kings of earth from for 42 literal months.
     
  14. iamlamad

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    Have you never seen the Jews that love God, at the wailing wall praying? Remember in the days of Elijah God had reserved 7000 who had not sold out to a false God. Sorry, but there is no other land anywhere on earth called "Israel." Did you forget all those scriptures about Israel coming back after being scatted to the 4 winds? Remember the valley of dry bones? This is SCRIPTURE, not "Christian Zionism.

    It will be the VERY SAME Israel to whom Jesus will return. The mount of Olives is still there. Don't be deceived by what you see and here: God brought them back, and God will return to them.
     
  15. iamlamad

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    Are you saying you don't believe the Beast will rule in the existing Jerusalem that is found in the current nation of Israel?
     
  16. Truth7t7

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    God will return to his church Israel, children of the promised seed Romans 9:6-8

    You could have Ethnic Jews wailing at a wall 24/7/365, outside of Jesus Christ thats all its gonna be, wailing/weeping/gnashing teeth in the lake of fire.

    God is no respector of person

    Ethnic heritage does not play a role in Gods book.

    currently Israel is the unholy land and Jerusalem the unholy city.

    In The Future There Will Be A Eternal, Holy, New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem Revelation 21:1-5
     
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  17. Truth7t7

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    I believe 100% the beast will rule in a city called Jerusalem in a country in the middle east called Israel.
     
  18. Douggg

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    iamlamad, in Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

    Are those people who have the inscription of the beast on their foreheads - are they themselves the beast?

    The answer is obviously no. The whore herself is not Mystery, Babylon the great.
    It is not the last 3 1/2 years the whore rules over the kingdoms of the earth - because the whore will be destroyed by the ten kings aforehand. That is, the Vatican will be burnt to the ground because it is affiliated based on Jesus being God - and not the beast.

    The beast and false prophet - occupy Jerusalem. The city of Jews themselves will be captives during that time.
    Which it should be obvious that Babylon the Great, the mother of harlots and Abomination of the Earth, is not any physical city - but the invisible empire of Satan - likened to being a city, called Babylon the Great.
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    iamlamad, the reason why there are 50 or 60 pages of posts of disagreement over the whore and mystery, babylon the great and the great city(s) is because the majority of the posters try to make it all one entity.

    The great city in Revelation 11, where Jesus was crucified is Jerusalem. We should all agree to that.

    The great whore in Revelation 17, which also a the great city, but rules over the kings of the earth, is the Vatican/ in Rome. Her tenacles in every nation and peoples. And located in the place of seven mountains (hills).

    Mystery, Babylon the great, in Revelation 18, is the invisible empire of Satan, likened as a great city by being called Babylon the great, traffics in wickedness and violence. Which the wealth of world's riches has been built on, and will come tumbling down someday.
     
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  19. Truth7t7

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    The beast are those that have the mark?
    Wrong!

    Mystery Babylon is a mystery city of satan? Wrong!

    Jerusalem is the harlot of Revelation, Mystery Babylon the great.
     
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  20. Douggg

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    Of course they are not. (I made a typo in my post, which I corrected)

    My point is they will have an inscription on their fore heads, some having the name of the beast - but that does not make them the beast themselves.

    Likewise, in Revelation 17, the great whore having the inscription "Mystery, Babylon the great, mother of harlots and abominations upon the earth" is not herself Babylon the great.

    Mystery, Babylon the great, is the invisible empire of Satan - likened to being a great city by being called Babylon the great.
     
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