Jerusalem Is The harlot Of Revelation, Mystery Babylon The Great

[FredVB]

Joh 19:30 So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, "It is finished!" And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.
Joh 19:31 Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
Joh 19:32 Then the soldiers came and broke the legs of the first and of the other who was crucified with Him.
Joh 19:33 But when they came to Jesus and saw that He was already dead, they did not break His legs.
Joh 19:34 But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out.
Joh 19:35 And he who has seen has testified, and his testimony is true; and he knows that he is telling the truth, so that you may believe.
Joh 19:36 For these things were done that the Scripture should be fulfilled, "NOT ONE OF HIS BONES SHALL BE BROKEN."
Joh 19:37 And again another Scripture says, "THEY SHALL LOOK ON HIM WHOM THEY PIERCED."

There is nothing I say contrary to those scripture passages, they don't prove what you say, your interpretation of those proves what you say to yourself. Jesus is identified as the one who is pierced, which happened in that account of his crucifixion, which happens to also show he is Yahweh. That itself was not all the fulfillment, he will be seen at his return, when there will be those who look on him whom they have pierced. In fact with all our sins we have all pierced Christ.

Back to Mystery Babylon. People there in it have a false security, thinking they are in a place that is all alright, and some other place or places are subject to coming doom. Even believers there do not yet see that they should get out. I am sorry that it will take until it is so late when they see it.

Those seeing that being here in America they are in Mystery Babylon are justified. But they will be in error thinking they can flee America and go to a city in another country to get out from Mystery Babylon. They do not consider as the passages on Mystery Babylon show that with all large urban living there is use of more land and resources with which there is continued contribution to the destructive worsening of this world, while thinking they are in a place that is all alright, and some other place or places are subject to coming doom. Even believers there do not yet see that they should get out. They would only get out at the last opportunity. I am sorry that it will take until it is so late when they see it.

 

[BABerean2]

There is nothing I say contrary to those scripture passages, they don't prove what you say, your interpretation of those proves what you say to yourself. Jesus is identified as the one who is pierced, which happened in that account of his crucifixion, which happens to also show he is Yahweh. That itself was not all the fulfillment, he will be seen at his return, when there will be those who look on him whom they have pierced. In fact with all our sins we have all pierced Christ.

If you think the Apostle John was confused in John 19:30-37, you will have to take it up with him.


If you are using Zechariah 12:10 in an attempt to prove a large number of modern Orthodox Jews will come to faith at Christ's Second Coming, you will also have to correct Paul in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10.


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[drmerejay]

I think Mystery Babylon is the Church and not Jerusalem

 

[FredVB]

If you think the Apostle John was confused in John 19:30-37, you will have to take it up with him.

If you are using Zechariah 12:10 in an attempt to prove a large number of modern Orthodox Jews will come to faith at Christ's Second Coming, you will also have to correct Paul in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10.

Of course I do not think that the apostle John was confused. I think some are misunderstanding apostles and passages in the scriptures.

It is Christ, the pierced one, who comes back, as described from Zechariah, showing he is Yahweh who said he would come, and that will be fulfilling prophecy. Logically it would.

I think Mystery Babylon is the Church and not Jerusalem

A lot of people have their ideas for what Mystery Babylon is. This is one of those ideas, that many had and many still do. These things are learned from others earlier, and the ideas for what Mystery Babylon is have been around a very long time. But see, Mystery Babylon is a mystery, just mentioned in that book which is full of symbolism. No one through the ages knew for sure what that mystery referred to, what those who said what it was could only be their guesses for that. They had no way to know. It could not be known, in fact, until the time of the scenario drew close.

Now if we look we can see with honestly looking at current circumstances what would be the great thing that many would note, which will collapse, that believers would need to be called out from, we can see something, definitely. No one would be ready to believe that through the ages. The Bible still showed how we were to live, including after the fall, from the model for us and what was told for humanity. But many moved to Mystery Babylon instead, and believers now there need to get out, as soon as they can manage to do so, and to not wait to do that.