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Featured Jerusalem Is The Whore Of Revelation, Mystery Babylon The Great

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Truth7t7, Jan 3, 2018.

  1. Truth7t7

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    Jerusalem Is The Whore, Mystery Babylon The Great.

    1.) Revelation 18:16KJV
    "The Great City" Babylon

    Revelation 11:8KJV
    "The Great City" where our Lord was crucified "Jerusalem"

    2.) Revelation 18:16KJV
    She Wore linen, purple, scarlet, gold?

    Exodus 39KJV
    Jewish Levitical Priesthood, linen, purple, scarlet, gold.

    3.) Revelation 18:24KJV
    She's guilty of the "Prophets Blood"

    Matthew 23:37KJV
    "Jerusalem" Thou That Killest The Prophets.

    4.) Revelation 16:12-21KJV
    Nations draw to Jerusalem/Israel/Megiddo, Earthquake Destroys "The Great City" Babylon/Jerusalem.

    5.) Matthew 23:32KJV
    Jerusalem, The Cup of Wrath Is Filled.

    Revelation 16:19KJV, Revelation 18:6KJV
    The Cup Of Gods Wrath Is Poured Out, "The Great City" Babylon/Jerusalem

    6.) Revelation 17:9KJV
    The whore sits on seven mountains/hills.

    Jerusalem sits on seven mountains/hills.

    7.) Revelation 17:1-4 & 18:9KJV
    Mystery Babylon Fornicates with the Kings of the world, playing the Harlot.

    Ezekiel 16KJV
    Jerusalem fornicates with the Kings of the world, and plays the Harlot.

    8.) Revelation 17KJV
    The Woman/Whore/Jerusalem rides the Beast/Antichrist/Man Of Sin

    Daniel 11:36-37KJV
    The Beast/Antichrist/Man Of Sin will be Jewish/Hebrew in decent. His fathers worshipped the true Hebrew God.

    2 Kings 21:22KJV, 2 Chronicles 33:12KJV

    "Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers"

    Jerusalem Is The Whore Of Revelation, Mystery Babylon The Great.

    Jesus Christ Is Lord

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    /nvm
     
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  5. Denadii

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    Why did you name Jerusalem? Why not Babylon itself? Why not Rome? Why not New York, the home of the United Nations. They all fit...why did you choose Jerusalem?
     
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    /nvm
     
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  8. Truth7t7

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    Revelation 18:24
    Is Rome, New York, The UN, guilty of the prophets blood? "Nope"

    But Gods word clearly tells us Jerusalem Is :)
    Matthew 23:37 Jerusalem, Thou That Killest The Prophets, :)

    Pretty simple, thanks for the response :)
     
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  9. Denadii

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    Ah!....So you've taken a single verse and.......Ok.
     
  10. TribulationSigns

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    Incorrect. You got wrong Jerusalem.

    The great city Jerusalem is the REPRESENTATION of the Church, which is this city of the great king. Not literal city. It is not the indivisible city itself, but the external Covenant Church is the earthly representation of the city of peace. And it was in this church where the true Church (Two Witnesses) of God dwelled and prophesied.

    Matthew 5:35
    • "Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King."
    Galatians 4:26
    • "But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all."
    Revelation 21:10
    • "And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,"
    All believers are residents of 'that great city' Jerusalem, and the external covenant church is the earthly representation of that Holy City. When Jesus spoke saying, 'ye are the light of the world, a City that is set on an hill cannot be hid,' He was talking of the Church equating it to a city. The Church reigning on earth is the representation of this great city of light which Christ spoke about.

    Hebrews 12:22-23

    • "But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
    • To the general assembly and Church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,"
    The Church is the earthly representation of this city, and that is why Jerusalem is used as a sign, figure or token of this spiritual Jerusalem. The believers being dead or lifeless in the streets [plateia] or wide space of this great city signifies their state in the midst of the Church. The witness of God is no longer tolerated there and the power that these had to preach the Word of God there has been taken from them. They have been overcome and silenced by the beast released from the pit by God. This does not affect their Salvation of course, and that is why Revelation chapter seven says they all had to be sealed first. But the beast affects their witness or testimony in the Churches. They cannot effectively preach in the external covenant Church anymore because the spirit of Satan is ruling there, and the leaders have departed from the faith unto doctrines of devils. This is why God says of this great city that, it is 'spiritualy' called Sodom and Egypt. Because though the external Church still retains the name of Christ, spiritually speaking it has become as these two cities which were infamous for their abominations and bondage to Satan. When God's people turn from God and forsake His laws, God speaks of them in the spiritual sense as being in bondage of Egypt and in the abominations of Sodom.

    You need to read the context of the passage.

    Rev 18:11-18

    • And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:
    • The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,
    • And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.
    • And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.
    • The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,
    • And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!
    • For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,
    • And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!


    This has nothing to do whatsoever with physical city Jerusalem. This is a spiritual city that represents the congregation of God, that once great house filled with rich of GOSPELS which the merchandises signify! She will be brought to ruin and desolation whent he GOspel was removed from her! That is what is in picture!

    Do you think God is talking about a physical city and her merchandises? You remove purple, cinnamons, or sheeps from a physical city and she physically fell into desolation? Seriously? This is not what God talked about and you got wrong Jerusalem to begin with. Jersuaelm is God's congregation where she was filled with spiritual riches that these merchandies represent! But now the riches has been removed from her (By God) signifies that she is now a spiritual naked because she lacks truth gospel. That is why the Elect are mourn over her becasue she no longer has the truth BECAUSE she is currently running by false prophets and christs, where their false doctrines has replaced the truth!

    So no, you misunderstood that Christ did not die FOR physical wall of Jersualem. He died for HIS people, the congregation of Israel which is a represenative of Jersusalem.

    Did the wall and stones of physical Jerusalem actually killed the prophets and Saints? Or was Jerusalem a city that represents people of the congregation who is guilty of killing God's prophets and saints by silence their truthful testimony?

    God is not talking about physical nations here. He is talking about Gentiles which also means nations, who is coming into the congregation (mountain) of Israel with false doctrines and gospels all over the world, not in the Middle East.

    Luk 21:22-24
    [22] For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
    [23] But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
    [24] And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

    The wrath upon God's people as congregation of Israel who are supposed to represent God's kingdom. But God removed the Gospel from His congregation where children no longer can suck. In this matter, the professed Christians will be led away spiritually captive like the Gentiles. Until the judgment of God upon the congregation be fullfilled then Christ returns. Nothing ot do with physical city, war in the middle east, nor, physical famine.

    Again, you did not allow Scripture to interpret what "heads" or "mountains" means in Scripture, especially in Revelation. It is not a literal mound of earth. Rather it is a spiritual kingdom of the beast that the whore sits (rules).

    The Bible did not say "kings of the world," you made it up. It specifically says, "the kings of the earth." Do you even know who they really are? Revelation 17 is all about this great whore who fornicates with the KINGS OF THE EARTH. Who is this whore? Physical city of Jerusalem, or the unfaithful New Testament congregation of Israel? She reigneth OVER the kings of the earth. That is why she was in royal garments. She rules over the PROFESSED CHRISTIANS (kings of the earth) all over the world. That is why God tell His True Elect to flee out of the midst of her that they not be burned with fire, while others are directing them to stay in the midst of her and fight the good fight while not realizing they are under the judgment of God themselves?

    It is all about God's will and to allow them to give their kingdom (church) unto the beast, the false prophets and christs, until the Words of God shall be fulfilled, Revelation 17:17. That is why the church has become a harlot. Guess you have not noticed it today!

    A woman or a physical city riding on a man, your version of antichrist? LOL.

    Nope! Actually, you may be in her if the spirit reveals you who this harlot really is. That is why she is a mystery to many, even to many professed Christians who are within her and DENY this! They do not have spiritual ears and eyes to see who she really is. They are busy to notice the abominations taking place in their church as they try to pinpoint Babylon the Great with something else other than the church. Now thats deception that Satan wants Christians to believe!
     
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    If I dont believe your errant eschatology, you have sentenced me to be Mystery Babylon, with your quote below.

    "Actually You May Be In Her"

    Previously you stated "I Don't Have The Holy Spirit Of Christ"

    You need to focus on debate, and refrain from personal attacks.

    Second Warning Directly To You!
     
  12. TribulationSigns

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    You misrepresented what I actually said. I did not say that you do not have "holy spirit of christ." I said that you do not have a spirit of christ which is a wisdom in order to discern what Christ actually talked about.

    Please spare me from your martyr complex. I was talking about the spiritual blindness that people like you are having that I testified about. You may be offended because you do not like this truth but it is not a personal attack, per se! It was just a friendly warning that you need to reconsider about your false doctrine on the subject. Otherwise, it is YOU who have sentenced yourself to be under influence of Mystery Babylon because you have denied who the whore really is despite my testimony just like Lot and his sons in law prior to the destruction of Sodom.
     
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    Tribulation Signs wrote,
    Sorry, but it is you have have it wrong. The Beast of Chapter 11, AKA the Antichrist, will reside in the REAL city of Jerusalem, along with the False Prophet. They will deceive the world from that city. Therefore God calls that real brick and mortar city "MYSTERY Babylon. Think of it! All humans on earth, except those whose names are written in heaven, will be deceived!

    Revelation 17:5
    And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.

    No other entity, physical or spiritual, has ever come close to the deception that these two will bring upon the world - and they do it from the city of Jerusalem.
     
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  14. Truth7t7

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    Stick To The Debate!

    Second Warning, Stop The Personal Attacks!
     
  15. TribulationSigns

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    Actually, stop misrepresenting what I wrote.
     
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    TribulationSigns wrote,
    On the contrary, these scriptures are talking of the REAL (but MYSTERY) city of Jerusalem. While the Beast and False Prophet are living there, all kinds of riches will be brought to Jerusalem - the real and physical city. The devil is the master of merchandising. Many people will be made rich just selling and transporting all these goods to the real city of Jerusalem.

    I hope you are not someone who tries to spiritualize literal verses.
     
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    Let me ask you a question, will you be here on earth to witness a supernatural man, called the Antichrist ruling from the "real city" of Jerusalem?
     
  18. iamlamad

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    TribulationSigns wrote,
    Good point! Of course the city per se, the brick and mortar is not what killed the prophets. It was the PEOPLE who lived there that were murders. And it will be the PEOPLE, ie the Beast and False Prophet, that will turn the city of Jerusalem into MYSTERY BABYLON - the location where the entire world is deceived from. Of course the city itself, ie the bricks and mortar do not do the deceiving.

    God's plan was that Jerusalem be the center to teach all people about the goodness of God, as in the Queen of Sheba, as an example. Instead, the Beast turns the city of Jerusalem into the greatest city of deception ever to exist on earth.
     
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    I certainly have no appointments to meet him. i don't expect to be on earth at that time.

    On the other hand, I believe many WILL be here to witness him.
     
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    TribulationSigns wrote,
    Again I disagree. At the time the Beast and False prophet are deceiving the world, there will be nations and LEADERS of nations, so John wrote, "kings." The point is, they too will be deceived. Yes, the whore is the MYSTERY city of Jerusalem: the city that deceives the world. But this deception will come from the REAL city. The temple will be in the real city of Jerusalem. The two witnesses will be in the real city of Jerusalem. She "reigns" over because she deceived the entire world. It will be mostly JEWS that God is telling to flee. Jerusalem, the real city, will be captured. Some will be carried away as slaves - probably the woman and children. The men will be slain. The city will be burned - as much as stone and stucco etc can be burned.
     
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