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Jeremiah 29:11 question

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Hammster, Jul 14, 2017.

  1. Hammster

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    If how you apply this passage is correct, every time you see "you" in scripture, you'll have to use it the same way.
     
  2. JESUS=G.O.A.T

    JESUS=G.O.A.T Well-Known Member

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    THe "you" in the text isn't even the main reason it's applicable it's the ideology that is proven to be true for people in general in the Bible. It's true that God thinks good thoughts towards us and gives those who follow him an expected end
     
  3. Hammster

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    So it's applicable to everyone. Got it.
     
  4. JESUS=G.O.A.T

    JESUS=G.O.A.T Well-Known Member

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    yes just like any other scripture or passage or even in some cases Book that is directed or written specifically to a church or few people but christians apply to themselves. That's what i'm trying to say.
     
  5. Hammster

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    So the verse really has no personal application. We can gather that God cares for His people and will keep His promises towards them. But there's nothing the original readers would take from this and say that those specific promises are for all His people for all time.
     
  6. JESUS=G.O.A.T

    JESUS=G.O.A.T Well-Known Member

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    Yes essentially this was written specifically for the captives just like the epistles were written for churches. The original readers wouldn't see how the letters they received would be for anyone else at the time in both instances because they were written specifically for the recipient. So yeah you're right we just universally apply the sciprtueres to our life now because we can apply them, but a good portion of the Bible was written for a specific audience. God being God made the Bible in a way to where we can apply it regardless though and that's what I love so much about the Bible.
     
  7. ebedmelech

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    The context of the passage is Jeremiah prophesying to the exiles what God says to them. I think we do well to hold to the context.

    There are many other passages that speak to the Christian about what God intends for them. For instance Ephesians 2:8-10:

    10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
     
  8. sdowney717

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    Jeremiah 29 is a promise, written for the Israel who are of God, those who are being obedient to God's command for them to go to Babylon for a period of time being 70 years, those who are God's people still, whom He will bless wherever they go.

    There were some jews who fought against God's decree of destruction on Israel, refusing to submit to the plan of God, they were rebels against the Lord. And they were destroyed. Some went to Egypt and God said those going to Egypt would die there.

    Jeremiah 29, is clearly addressed to those who are in Babylon as the Lord ordained for them to go. but some were to remain in the land of Israel.

    10 For thus says the Lord: After seventy years are completed at Babylon, I will visit you and perform My good word toward you, and cause you to return to this place. 11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the Lord, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope. 12 Then you will call upon Me and go and pray to Me, and I will listen to you. 13 And you will seek Me and find Me, when you search for Me with all your heart. 14 I will be found by you, says the Lord, and I will bring you back from your captivity; I will gather you from all the nations and from all the places where I have driven you, says the Lord, and I will bring you to the place from which I cause you to be carried away captive.

    Jeremiah 42 is for the rebels who refuse to be submitted to the judgement of God.

    18 “For thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: ‘As My anger and My fury have been poured out on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, so will My fury be poured out on you when you enter Egypt. And you shall be an oath, an astonishment, a curse, and a reproach; and you shall see this place no more.’

    19 “The Lord has said concerning you, O remnant of Judah, ‘Do not go to Egypt!’ Know certainly that I have admonished you this day. 20 For you were hypocrites in your hearts when you sent me to the Lord your God, saying, ‘Pray for us to the Lord our God, and according to all that the Lord your God says, so declare to us and we will do it.

    21 And I have this day declared it to you, but you have not obeyed the voice of the Lord your God, or anything which He has sent you by me. 22 Now therefore, know certainly that you shall die by the sword, by famine, and by pestilence in the place where you desire to go to dwell.”


    If you can claim out of the context a promise for yourself in Jeremiah 29, why not many more Jeremiah scriptures such as not going to Egypt?

    For today, you in the church, believe the words of Christ and the apostles , of which are also many comforting words of promise and consolations. The OT words here in Jeremiah 29 were comforting and consoling words of promise to set into Israel's heart that God had planned a good future and a hope for them. God had proven His word true to Israel in bringing about the captivity in Babylon, so they knew God was the LORD God , all powerful and true to His word spoken by His prophet Jeremiah, so they could take comforting assurance that what Jeremiah had spoken was the word of the Lord for them and God would bring it to pass.

    The REBELS though, will never be obedient to God or believe what God has said, and God will destroy them everyone. Rebels believe the only fate is what they make and they do not love the Lord's working, they dont love God and don't love His judgements, His word, they dont love what He says.
     
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  9. jimmyjimmy

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    No trick, just asking you to prove your point, which you obviously cannot, and that, I already knew.
     
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  10. woobadooba

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    Matthew 12:35-37 (NKJV) "A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things. But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment. For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."
     
  11. jimmyjimmy

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    Great text.
     
  12. woobadooba

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    Indeed!

    Here's another great one to go along with it:

    Colossians 3:16-17 (NKJV) "Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom, teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him."
     
  13. Alithis

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    Huh?it's always true
    I mean it can certainly apply personally when the Holy spirit applies it.
     
  14. Hammster

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    That's different than what you said.
     
  15. BobRyan

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    Yes.

    "God is not willing that any (individual) should perish but that all (individuals) should come to repentance" 2 Peter 3
     
  16. Hammster

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    Well, when you put it that way it sounds like universalism.
     
  17. BobRyan

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    Only if one chooses to first "delete" the context of "free will".

    If "God's will" is the only will in the equation - neither Lucifer nor Adam could have failed.
     
  18. PeaceJoyLove

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    Jeremiah 29 in context is speaking of those who went into exile in Babylon to protect them, in contrast to the ones who remained/left behind in Jerusalem, who because they refused to hear and obey God were facing calamity. God told those in captivity they better hear the word of the Lord...

    There is a promise for those who do not have belief in God, and those who do. Peace is promised to those who believe...something else to those who don't.


    Jeremiah 29:18 And I will persecute them with the sword, with the famine, and with the pestilence, and will deliver them to be removed to all the kingdoms of the earth, to be a curse, and an astonishment, and an hissing, and a reproach, among all the nations whither I have driven them:

    19 Because they have not hearkened to my words, saith the Lord, which I sent unto them by my servants the prophets, rising up early and sending them; but ye would not hear, saith the Lord.

    20 Hear ye therefore the word of the Lord, all ye of the captivity, whom I have sent from Jerusalem to Babylon:
     
  19. jimmyjimmy

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    It appears that many here think that there is meaning in a text, outside of its context. If I only had sufficient words to convince them otherwise. . .

    Treating God's words as if they were a wax nose that you are free to form into anything you wish is beyond disrespectful to the Author. His intended meaning is the only one that matters.
     
  20. Alithis

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    No you just didn't quite understand how I said it the first time.
     
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