Jeremiah 29:11 question

[Hammster]

“For I know the plans that I have for you,' declares the LORD, 'plans for welfare and not for calamity to give you a future and a hope.”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭29:11‬ ‭NASB‬‬

Is this applicable to us as individuals? If so, how? If not, why not?

 

[dysert]

“For I know the plans that I have for you,' declares the LORD, 'plans for welfare and not for calamity to give you a future and a hope.”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭29:11‬ ‭NASB‬‬

Is this applicable to us as individuals? If so, how? If not, why not?

I'm inclined to think it does not apply to us as individuals. (But I'm not dogmatic about it.) Reading it in context is what I like to do, and the context of this verse is the Israelites and Babylon. I suggest you read the whole chapter and see if you think it could be applied to us as individuals. I think not.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

I think it does, although perhaps not in the way most understand it.

I have heard people use this verse to pronounce blessings over themselves and their circumstances. I think that is the classic misinterpretation of it.

God does in fact have a plan in place and a purpose for his children. Each part of the the body serves and has a purpose. Very few are alike, so one persons purpose and plan need not be related to another.

He also has promised them a future with hope. That will not be realized until Heaven though. So those who use this to speak some prosperity nonsense over themselves are misinterpreting what the Lord is saying to his people. Our future and hope lay in the life to come, not in this life.

 

[dysert]

I think it does, although perhaps not in the way most understand it.

I have heard people use this verse to pronounce blessings over themselves and their circumstances. I think that is the classic misinterpretation of it.

God does in fact have a plan in place and a purpose for his children. Each part of the the body serves and has a purpose. Very few are alike, so one persons purpose and plan need not be related to another.

He also has promised them a future with hope. That will not be realized until Heaven though. So those who use this to speak some prosperity nonsense over themselves are misinterpreting what the Lord is saying to his people. Our future and hope lay in the life to come, not in this life.

It's especially sad when someone "claims" this verse for themselves in this life, get all revved up, and then realize that what follows is a 70-year exile to Babylon.

 

[woobadooba]

It wasn't given to us specifically, but it does have application to us (2 Tim. 3:16-17; Rom. 15:4; Ps. 119:105). The reasons why are obvious from the text.

 

[Hidden In Him]

It's especially sad when someone "claims" this verse for themselves in this life, get all revved up, and then realize that what follows is a 70-year exile to Babylon.

I'm not a big fan of quoting scriptures out of context either. But I suppose if I were about to go through a decade or more of Hell, I wouldn't mind hearing that the Lord ultimately had my best interest at heart as well. Ha!

 

[Hammster]

It wasn't given to us specifically, but it does have application to us (2 Tim. 3:16-17; Rom. 15:4; Ps. 119:105). The reasons why are obvious from the text.

Maybe they are obvious to you. Can you explain?

 

[rockytopva]

“For I know the plans that I have for you,' declares the LORD, 'plans for welfare and not for calamity to give you a future and a hope.”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭29:11‬ ‭NASB‬‬

Is this applicable to us as individuals? If so, how? If not, why not?

Probably Joel Osteens favorite quote.. He would love to give ya a 'hook them!'

Joel and Victoria Osteen Slammed for Doing 'Hook 'Em Horns' Hand Sign at Son's Graduation

 

[Hidden In Him]

Probably Joel Osteens favorite quote.. He would love to give ya a 'hook them!'

Joel and Victoria Osteen Slammed for Doing 'Hook 'Em Horns' Hand Sign at Son's Graduation

Oh, God. Way to put me in good company, Rockytop. I may live to seriously regret playing around on this thread.

 

[Winken]

“For I know the plans that I have for you,' declares the LORD, 'plans for welfare and not for calamity to give you a future and a hope.”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭29:11‬ ‭NASB‬‬

Is this applicable to us as individuals? If so, how? If not, why not?

Salvation by Grace through Faith is applicable to each individual who confesses Jesus as Savior. Jeremiah 29:11 is fulfilled in that confession. Romans 10:8-13.

 

[Hammster]

Salvation by Grace through Faith is applicable to each individual who confesses Jesus as Savior. Jeremiah 29:11 is fulfilled in that confession. Romans 10:8-13.

So you'd say yes, it's applicable for us today?

 

[98cwitr]

“For I know the plans that I have for you,' declares the LORD, 'plans for welfare and not for calamity to give you a future and a hope.”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭29:11‬ ‭NASB‬‬

Is this applicable to us as individuals? If so, how? If not, why not?

I think it's applicable to those whom God's protection extends (see 1 John 5)

 

[Hammster]

I think it's applicable to those whom God's protection extends (see 1 John 5)

The same for the verses that follow?

 

[dysert]

Let's not forget that Jer. 29:11 is part of the passage that also includes Jer. 29:4, which says:

"Thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, to all who were carried away captive, whom I have caused to be carried away from Jerusalem to Babylon:"

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

“For I know the plans that I have for you,' declares the LORD, 'plans for welfare and not for calamity to give you a future and a hope.”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭29:11‬ ‭NASB‬‬

Is this applicable to us as individuals? If so, how? If not, why not?

Yes, looking at the invisible and not the visible.
Exactly as Yeshua taught and trained His disciples and as YHWH opened their minds to understand Scripture.

No, to any aspect of the so-called prosperity gospel (false gospel that condemns multitudes to not finding YHWH'S Kingdom).

 

[Hammster]

Yes, looking at the invisible and not the visible.
Exactly as Yeshua taught and trained His disciples and as YHWH opened their minds to understand Scripture.

No, to any aspect of the so-called prosperity gospel (false gospel that condemns multitudes to not finding YHWH'S Kingdom).

Some versions read "plans to prosper". So why no to the prosperity gospel?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I'm not a big fan of quoting scriptures out of context either. But I suppose if I were about to go through a decade or more of Hell, I wouldn't mind hearing that the Lord ultimately had my best interest at heart as well. Ha!

Subject to clarifying. (your meaning or my reply).

If you spend any time in "hell" (by most any definition), there is no escaping it.

 

[Winken]

So you'd say yes, it's applicable for us today?

No, I'd say no. Without Romans 10:8-13 it would have no applicability to Christians today.

 

[Hammster]

No, I'd say no. Without Romans 10:8-13 it would have no applicability to Christians today.

I don't understand your point.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Subject to clarifying. (your meaning or my reply).

If you spend any time in "hell" (by most any definition), there is no escaping it.

I have no idea what I was saying, Jeff. Hows that? *smiling*