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Jeremiah 23

Discussion in 'Messianic Judaism' started by visionary, Apr 27, 2021.

  1. visionary

    visionary Your God is my God... Ruth said, so say I. Supporter

    1Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD. 2Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.
    3And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.
    4And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the LORD.
    5Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. 6In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE Lord OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS. 7Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that they shall no more say, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt; 8but, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.
    Unworthy Prophets and Priests
    9Mine heart within me is broken because of the prophets; all my bones shake; I am like a drunken man, and like a man whom wine hath overcome, because of the LORD, and because of the words of his holiness. 10For the land is full of adulterers; for because of swearing the land mourneth; the pleasant places of the wilderness are dried up, and their course is evil, and their force is not right. 11For both prophet and priest are profane; yea, in my house have I found their wickedness, saith the LORD. 12Wherefore their way shall be unto them as slippery ways in the darkness: they shall be driven on, and fall therein: for I will bring evil upon them, even the year of their visitation, saith the LORD.
    13And I have seen folly in the prophets of Samaria; they prophesied in Baal, and caused my people Israel to err.
    14I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness: they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.
    15Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts concerning the prophets; Behold, I will feed them with wormwood, and make them drink the water of gall: for from the prophets of Jerusalem is profaneness gone forth into all the land.
    16Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD. 17They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you. 18For who hath stood in the counsel of the LORD, and hath perceived and heard his word? who hath marked his word, and heard it? 19Behold, a whirlwind of the LORD is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked. 20The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly. 21I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied. 22But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings.
    23 Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off? 24Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD. 25I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in my name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed. 26How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart; 27which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal. 28The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD. 29Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces? 30Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour. 31Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith.
    32Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD.
    33And when this people, or the prophet, or a priest, shall ask thee, saying, What is the burden of the LORD? thou shalt then say unto them, What burden? I will even forsake you, saith the LORD. 34And as for the prophet, and the priest, and the people, that shall say, The burden of the LORD, I will even punish that man and his house. 35Thus shall ye say every one to his neighbour, and every one to his brother, What hath the LORD answered? and, What hath the LORD spoken? 36And the burden of the LORD shall ye mention no more: for every man's word shall be his burden; for ye have perverted the words of the living God, of the LORD of hosts our God. 37Thus shalt thou say to the prophet, What hath the LORD answered thee? and, What hath the LORD spoken? 38But since ye say, The burden of the LORD; therefore thus saith the LORD; Because ye say this word, The burden of the LORD, and I have sent unto you, saying, Ye shall not say, The burden of the LORD; 39therefore, behold, I, even I, will utterly forget you, and I will forsake you, and the city that I gave you and your fathers, and cast you out of my presence: 40and I will bring an everlasting reproach upon you, and a perpetual shame, which shall not be forgotten.
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    Laureate whatisthebaytreeknown4? What's debate reknown for?

    The Hebrew word that was translated 'Folly' (in verse 13) is תפלה, which literally means, a Quagmire (thick slimy mud), and in the greater context it is used Figuratively, i.e., a Problematic Predicament, etc.,

    And as we will find true with many key words the term תפלה has a Zugot (Pairing) Companion in (the prior) verse 12, i.e., חלקלקות lit., Slippery, Slimy, Slick, Smooth, etc., and in like fashion it too is used Figuratively, i.e., Plausible, Unctuous;

    Plausible adj. (of an argument or statement) seeming reasonable or probable. (of a person) skilled at producing persuasive arguments, especially one's intended to deceive.

    The תפלה Folly of the Samarian Prophets הנבאו Which Prophesy בבעל, By Baal, are Those Who Prophesy in the Name of Baal, Adonai, and Lord.

    • I have not Sent these Prophets, nevertheless they Ran: I have not Spoken to them, nevertheless they Prophesied. [ref., Yᵊrᵊmîyᵊhûʷ (Jeremiah) 23:21]

    This is achieved whensoever anyone Reads, or Translates a Prophetic passage of the Toruth which ought to Read, or Translate, Thus says Yᵊhûʷəh (Existence)....., but instead they Read, or Translate, Thus says Baal.... (or it's equivalent, i.e., Adonai, the Lord, etc.)

    It is one thing to be in the (untied) shoes of one who truly does not know any better, such as a Babe, and yet it is an entirely different thing to be in the (tied together) shoes of one declaring the Word of God, or the Word of the Lord, where it ought to read, the Word of Alôʰhéyîm, or the Word of Yᵊhûʷəh;

    Both God, and Baal [Adonai, Lord, etc.,] were names which Pagans used to identify Yᵊhûʷəh Alôʰhéyîm, whose names Yᵊhûʷəh Alôʰhéyîm strictly forbade the children of Îsʰrəél to mention.

    But now twice worse than Mentioning their Names, the Prophets [Wycliffe, Tyndale, etc.,] of Baal God have Struck the Name and Title of Yᵊhûʷəh Alôʰhéyîm from the Book, and replaced it with the Forbidden Names of their Deity Baal (Lord) God, whereby they cause the People of the Book to err Textually.

    • For both Prophet and Priest are profane; yea, in My House have I found their wickedness, says Yᵊhûʷəh.

    Wherefore their Way shall be unto them as חלקלקות Slippery Ways in the Darkness: they shall be driven on, and fall therein: for I will bring evil upon them, even the year of their Visitation, says Yᵊhûʷəh.

    ובנביאי For among the Prophets שמרון of Samaria ראיתי I have seen תפלה the Quagmire [Folly] הנבאו of them which Prophesy בבעל by Baal, וי so that את ישראל the Text of Îsʰrəél may cause עמי my People תעו to err את Textually.

    I have not Sent these Prophets, yet they ran: I have not Spoken to them, yet they Prophesied.

    But if they would have stood in My Counsel, and had caused My People to Hear My Words, then they could have turned them from their evil Way, and from the evil of their doings.

    I have heard what the Prophets said, that Prophesy Lies in My Name, saying, I Have a Dream, I Have a Dream.

    How long shall this be in the heart of the Prophets that Prophesy lies? yea, they are Prophets of the Deceit of their own heart;

    Which think to Cause My People to Forget My Name....as their fathers have Forgotten My Name for Baal.

    The Prophet that has a Dream, let him tell a Dream; and those who have My Word, let them Speak My Word Faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? says Yᵊhûʷəh. [ref., Yᵊrᵊmîyᵊhû (Jeremiah) 23:11-13, 21-22, & 25-28]

    Christianity is a perfect example demonstrating how Many People have Forgotten the Name Yᵊhûʷəh, due to Many would be Prophets omitting the Name, and replacing it with [Baal, Lord] something that does not even come close to it's meaning.

    Thus Yᵊsʰûʷəʰ says....
    • Not every one that says unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he that does the Will of My Father which is in Heaven.

    Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not Prophesied in Your Name? and in Your Name have Cast out Devils? and in Your Name done many פלאי Péléʰ Wonderful Works?

    And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you who Work iniquity. [Matthew 7:21-23]

    There are many Key Cross References in this chapter, but perhaps none as disturbing as the Prophetic Quoting of Martin Luther Kings famous 'I Have a Dream, I Have a Dream....' Speech.

    The gist of his Dream is that one day all People, will be Gathered together to Live together Harmoniously....

    Whereas in Zephaniah Yᵊhûʷəh declares his purpose for Gathering all of the People together is so that He may Pour out upon them His indignation, at which time Yᵊhûʷəh also promises to turn unto us a Pure Language that would permit us to all Call upon His Name with One Consent.

    The only passage he quoted, was Yeshayahu 40:4, i.e., 'Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the Crooked shall be made Straight, and the Rough places Plain', yet he appears to quote the passage (with Unctuous overtones) entirely out of context, otherwise he was trying to infer he was that Comforter of Yeshayahu's prophecy.

    It is virtually impossible to Properly Align Foundation Stones, when they themselves are Crooked, they must First be Straightened, and then they can be Aligned Properly.

    Thus, if we are to Expect One to Come, and make that which is Crooked Straight, and that which is Rough Plain (and simple to Comprehend), then we should also Know that, Until such a One Comes, and Straightens, and Smooths these Rough areas Out (which pertain unto the Path intended for us to Walk), We ourselves ought to (re-) consider the Alignment, as well as the Angulation of each standing Passage with great Scrutiny, and Know that this is One arena that Heaven declares to be תפלה Problematic.

    The Branch referred to as the Righteousness of Yᵊhûʷəh is further identified as Father Abvrᵊhəm, for he is the Righteousness of Yᵊhûʷəh unto those who Follow after Righteousness, and Seek Yᵊhûʷəh; [ref., Yeshayahu 51]

    In Zechariah [2 & 3] the עביצמח Myrtle Branch [aka My Servant the Branch] Rises between a Pair of Myrtles as the Angel of Yah, who instructs the Myrtles which he Stands among to Remove the Filthy Garments from Yahushua the High Priest [aka the Word of Alôʰhéyîm], and to Clothe, and Crown him.

    In Malachi (and according to Yᵊsʰûʷəʰ Hᵊməsʰîəkʰ) the Angel of Yah is further identified as Alîyᵊhûʷ [Elijah], who is Sent to Prepare the Way, and Restore Everything.

    • And it came to pass, when Ahab saw Alîyᵊhûʷ (Elijah), that Ahab said unto him, Are you the one who troubles Îsʰrəél?

    And he answered, I have not troubled Îsʰrəél; but you, and your father’s house, in that you have Forsaken the Commandments of Yᵊhûʷəh [namely, neither Worship nor Mention by name another Alôʰhéyîm], and yet you have followed Baalim.

    Now therefore send, and Gather to me all Îsʰrəél unto mount Carmel, and the Prophets of Baal [lit., the Lord] four hundred and fifty, and the Prophets of the groves four hundred, which eat at Jezebel’s table.

    And Alîyᵊhûʷ (Elijah) came unto all the people, and said, How long will you be stuck between Two Opinions? if Yᵊhûʷəh is Alôʰhéyîm, Follow Him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word. [ref., 1st Kings 18:17-19, & 21]

    This is the One to whom the Apostle is referring to when he says, When that which is Whole Comes...., for We are the Many Members of the Body of Seth, aka the The Son of Adam, aka Yᵊsʰûʷəʰ Hᵊməsʰîəkʰ, and his/our Body is the Temple of his/our Father, Yᵊhûʷəh Alôʰhéyîm, who not only Dwells within him/us but also makes him/us Complete.

    Now I, having never fellowshipped with any other Messianic before, I came to this forum to get my feet wet (in fellowship), and when I pointed these very same infractions, and even posted a poem about them, yet did I never receive one single response from anyone here;

    But now if one looks else where to commune with a Messianic, they will discover that what I preached concerning the matter has become a common theme amongst the Greater Messianic community at large, they even have Meme's floating around Facebook that appear to be summarized extracts of what I once Preached, whereas I myself had No Man to Preach these things unto me.

    • Which of you can convict me of sin? Yet if I speak the truth, why do you not believe me? [ref.,John 8:46]

    • If I had not come and spoken unto them, they would not have sinned: but now they have no cloke for their sin. [ref., John 15:22]

    • But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows,

    And saying, We have piped unto you, and you have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and you have not lamented. [ref., Matthew 11:16-17]

    Meaning, all the Babes out there attempting to move and persuade others with their rendition of the truth, each and everyone of them do so expecting everyone who is Reasonable to buy into it, yet when one More Reasonable than themselves comes along preaching precept upon precept, the Babes have no desire, nor teeth to bite into it.
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