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Japheth is white. Genesis 9:27

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Alpha-and-Omega, Jun 9, 2019.

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  1. Brightmoon

    Brightmoon Apes and humans are all in family Hominidae.

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    maybe ? But I can tell you that some of my ancestors came all the way from Africa and others came from Europe. My mother spent 65 years living within a 10 block area in tiny part of one city . To go from Africa to Europe is about the distant from New York to the Carolinas . Easily able to walk that distance in a year. What would be hard is going out of the range of familiar foods and supplies and coping with a different climate . Going from equatorial to a seasonal climate with a winter is hard
     
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  2. Michael Collum

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    I thought white people came from the leper colonies. (btw I'm white)
     
  3. section9+1

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    I think Noah's sons is kind of sketchy. Yet there are different people groups or races. God deliberately did it or else there are physiological things he is incapable of doing. Why did he and what does it mean for us? Seems like it's been an effective way to divide people and handicap human progress. But then, wasn't the tower of babel story about that? Think if mankind was basically one coherent and solid group without clear differences. Wouldn't we be farther ahead because of that?
     
  4. Danielwright2311

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    Color means nothing in the kingdom of God, only here on earth.

    When you get to heaven, and I pray you all do, every one is perfectly equal.
     
  5. Alithis

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    As in moved from the equator...
     
  6. Alithis

    Alithis Disciple of Jesus .

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    Very loosely speaking but also of asia...
    ... shem is the direct ancestor of eber... Ancestor of abraham- isaac -jacob whose name was changed to Israel.
    And this is recorded very clearly... Japheths line is not recorded very far down
     
  7. PaulCyp1

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    The human race is descended from Adam and Eve, who were undoubtedly black, since science has clearly demonstrated that the earliest humans lived in central Africa.
     
  8. Gideons300

    Gideons300 Our awakening is beginning. Prepare to be amazed.

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    Just curious, what was your motive for making this post? I am trying to think of various reasons but seem to keep coming back to just one. Maybe you can enlighten me. Thanks in advance.

    Gideon
     
  9. Cis.jd

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    curiosity as to how certain races came to be?
     
  10. JAM2b

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    Here's what I believe:

    Everyone was the same in those early days. The only reason skin and hair of people groups changed was because of adaptation to climate. The idea of race is a human idea due to ignorance.

    I can't imagine how two parents, Noah and his wife, who were the same could have a child who is a different race from them and their other children, unless he was albino or had a skin defect or ailment, which still wouldn't make him a different race.
     
  11. JAM2b

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    Are you doing this to judge us or to learn the overall view of the posters?
     
  12. Contenders Edge

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    Why do I not like where this is going? While Genesis chapters 10-11 does give us insight as to how the nations of the world originated, God is no respecter of persons (Acts 10:34) for He has made from one blood all people (Acts 17:26) and all will be judged by Him according to the same standards for He has given one means of redemption of all through Christ Jesus, one faith, one baptism and one doctrine.
     
  13. nonaeroterraqueous

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    The genetic bottleneck at the flood could have caused divergence into the major human phenotypes (white, black, Semitic), but at the point of the bottleneck these phenotypes would not be apparent, because the genetic loss would not have occurred yet. Therefore, while Japeth could have been the ancestor of the white people, he, himself, would not have been white, and there would have been no reason to name him "White." If Japeth did mean "White," then it was a meaning given after the fact, as someone else pointed out.
     
  14. Grip Docility

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    Please tell me you are kidding.
     
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  15. Alpha-and-Omega

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    No, I am absolutely serious about this.

    To “enlarge Japheth” means to extend his territory and influence at the expense of others who are not descendants of Japheth.

    Because we know that all power and resources are zero sum: social, cultural, economic, political and military. Genesis 9:27 and Isaiah 24:1, 3, 12.

    Consequently, the redistribution of power is always to the advantage of one group at the expense of all others.

    But you know exactly what I mean of course.
     
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  16. Grip Docility

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    This is the foundation of kkk theology, that is on the cross side. Just to be clear.

    The word isn’t about skin color in the translation. Early man was dark skinned. Abraham was more Arab in complexion and so was Christ.
     
  17. Alpha-and-Omega

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    Doesn’t matter.

    The descendants of Japheth could well be Europeans.
     
  18. Grip Docility

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    I understand, now. You’re pursuing eschatological findings.
     
  19. Der Alter

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    <ΑΩ>No, I am absolutely serious about this.
    To “enlarge Japheth” means to extend his territory and influence at the expense of others who are not descendants of Japheth.
    Because we know that all power and resources are zero sum: social, cultural, economic, political and military. Genesis 9:27 and Isaiah 24:1, 3, 12.
    Consequently, the redistribution of power is always to the advantage of one group at the expense of all others.
    But you know exactly what I mean of course.<ΑΩ>

    Wrong.

    [פָּתָה S6601 TWOT1853 GK7331, 7332] vb. be spacious, wide, open (Aramaic פְּתָא be spacious, ܦܬܳܐ (pto) be spacious, abundant; cf. Arabic فَتُوَ, فَتِىَ (fatuwa, fatiya), be youthful, in prime of life, فَتًى (fatan) young man, one in prime of life (development of various meanings from √ not wholly clear, cf. Nö xi (1886). 735));—Qal Pt. פֹּתֶה Pr 20:19 poss. one open as to lips, but v. פָּתָה denom. infr. Hiph. Impf. 3 ms. juss. יַפְתְּ א׳ לְיֶפֶת Gn 9:27 may God make wide for Japhet (give him an extensive inheritance).—Pf. poss. Pr 24:28 (reading וְהִפְתִּיתָ בִּשְׂפָתֶ֑יךָ; make wide with (open wide) thy lips, for MT וַהֲפִתִּיתָ בִּשׂ׳, so SS; but cf. פָּתָה denom. Pi.)
    Brown, F., Driver, S. R., & Briggs, C. A. (1977). Enhanced Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew and English Lexicon (p. 834). Oxford: Clarendon Press.
     
  20. RDKirk

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    Sub-Saharan Africans are from Ham's son Cush, Northern Africans from Ham's son Mizraim, and the inhabitants of the near Middle East are from Ham's son Canaan. Scripture makes its continuing distinction between Ham's sons, not from Ham.
     
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