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Japheth is white. Genesis 9:27

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Alpha-and-Omega, Jun 9, 2019.

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  1. Alpha-and-Omega

    Alpha-and-Omega New Member

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    The entire world population descended from Noah’s three sons Shem, Ham and Japheth

    The name Japheth means white, beautiful, and "God will enlarge him":

    Genesis 9:27 MAY GOD ENLARGE JAPHETH, and may he dwell in the tents of Shem; and may Canaan be his servant.

    Discuss.
     
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  2. JAM2b

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    Why does his race matter?
     
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  3. myst33

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    Its traditionally thought that Japhet is the father of Europeans.

    But why do you think his name means "white"?
     
  4. Alpha-and-Omega

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    Purely by account of his association with Europeans.
     
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  5. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    The descendants of the sons of Noah provided the ethnicities we see today. What their original appearance was isn't known. However indications are that the white people sprang from Shem, Blacks from Ham, and yellow from Japheth. They had many sons between them no doubt with many ethnic characteristics from which the variety we see today sprang.
     
  6. myst33

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    Europeans have more neandhertal DNA than the rest of humanity, according to scientists this part of DNA is "guilty" of the wide variaty between Europeans (red, brown, black, blond hair, blue, brown, green, black eyes...).

    In a sense, Europeans are less homo sapiens than for example Africans, 10% of their DNA are of Neandhertals.
     
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  7. Dave-W

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    It does not matter what color he was. God separated out the nationalities and skin colors a few generations later at the Tower of Babel.
     
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  8. Brightmoon

    Brightmoon Apes and humans are all in family Hominidae.

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    modern humans seem to be a sort of ring species. We have DNA from at least 2 other extinct human species -the Neanderthals and the Denisovians. There might be more hybridization as there were at least 4 different species of humans alive 50,000 years ago. Homo floresiensis and H erectus were also still around
     
  9. ViaCrucis

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    Jepheth doesn't mean "white". A possible etymology (it's not actually clear) is from the root יפה meaning "beautiful", "lovely", "fair", "pretty". יפה does not mean "white".

    Also, the whole idea of trying to race races to the children of Noah is inherently ridiculous for a lot of reason, not least of which being that the whole concept of "race" is a modern cultural construct. From a strictly biological perspective there is no such thing as "race", there is simply a wide diversity of phenotypes across human populations. One phenotypical expression is skin color, skin color is determined by the amount of melanin in the skin, a high amount of melanin results in a dark skin color while a lower amount of melanin results in a lighter skin color. Melanin is important because it protects our skin from UV radiation, as such populations closer to the equator, where there is a higher exposure to UV is likely to result in darker-skinned populations, whereas the further from the equator one is the less exposure to UV is received, and so populations further from the equator tend to have less melanin.

    I'm "white" because my ancestors are primarily from northern Europe, not because Japheth is my great-great-great-grandpa.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
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  10. ViaCrucis

    ViaCrucis Evangelical Catholic of the Augsburg Confession

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    There's no reason to make that association.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
  11. OldWiseGuy

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    Descendancy (is that a word?) seems to be important to God for reasons of inheritance and prophecy, but shouldn't be to us.
     
  12. Albion

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    The traditional view of that matter is that the blacks are from Ham, the Jews (Semites) from Shem, and the whites from Japheth.
     
  13. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    Shem is the patriarch of Eber, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the tribes of Israel.
     
  14. eleos1954

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    And your source for this is ?????

    The name Japheth means white, beautiful ...
     
  15. Messerve

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    Interesting... I wonder where you got your information because I'm pretty sure the Melanesians have the most Neanderthal DNA, according to what I read, and they are very dark skinned.
     
  16. Lazarus Short

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    So...where are those tribes today? Finding them is not easy, but it has been done.
     
  17. Mark Quayle

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    So what?

    But be intellectually honest. Does his name mean he was literally white? Take your thinking to its ridiculous conclusion. Maybe he was an albino.
     
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  18. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    I'm convinced of only a few identities. Some of the prophecies are pretty vague.
     
  19. Kaon

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    Yepheth's name does not mean "white", it means opened, or expanse - like the expanse of land he and his descendants resided in (not enlarge like make mighty). God enlarges the inheritance of Yepheth because of what he did not do.

    It is safe to assume that everyone at that time, from that region had a decent measure of melanin - at least on the level of what a modern Egyptian would look like.
     
  20. Kenny'sID

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    Why?
     
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