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Featured Jackson County, North Carolina, Leaders Vote to Keep Confederate Statue in Sylva — With Changes

Discussion in 'Current News & Events' started by Lord Vega, Aug 7, 2020.

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  1. Lord Vega

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    From the article:

    Jackson County commissioners voted Tuesday to keep a Confederate statue in front of the historic courthouse in Sylva, but they also agreed to some changes. That decision is getting plenty of reaction.

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    In an era of racial tension, the Confederate statue known as “Sylva Sam” overlooking the town is sparking debate. Sylva leaders sent Jackson County commissioners a resolution asking for its removal from the old county courthouse, out of town limits.

    “I made a motion that we deny Sylva’s request,” Commission Chairman Brian McMahan said.

    McMahan was part of a 4-1 vote Tuesday night to keep the statue where it is. But he said the board also agreed to an amendment.

    “We are going to add a plaque to the front of the statue base covering up the Confederate flag with a list of Jackson County’s involvement in the Civil War,” he said. “Our ‘Heroes of the Confederacy’ will be removed from the base.”

    McMahan said it’s a compromise.

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    The president of the local NAACP said he would have preferred the statue’s removal. But, he said, he sees the compromise, too, reworking the statue’s context. He said questions will remain.

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    Original article: Jackson County leaders vote to keep Confederate statue in Sylva -- with changes
     
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  2. tulc

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    I'd suggest if they keep it maybe they could have a more accurate plaque mounted on it? Something like "Betrayed his country and fought and killed fellow Americans all so they could continue to own slaves."
    tulc(does kind of appreciate how modern Republicans fight so hard to protect the statues of old dead racist Democrats...)
     
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  3. Lord Vega

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    Wanting to conserve Confederate monuments isn't about supporting the institution of slavery or racism; it's about protecting Southern heritage.
     
  4. nonaeroterraqueous

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    It's also about preserving history. Let's not forget it, lest we repeat it.
     
  5. Arcangl86

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    The Confederacy existed for 5 years. Parts of the South have been settled for over 400 years. Yet it's always the Confederacy that is held up as representing Southern heritage. Why? And I mean that sincerely. If it's about heritage, why highlight a failed revolt? Is that really the thing the South should be identified with?
     
  6. tulc

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    You do understand: slavery IS what southern heritage (as conveyed by those statues) is about, right? If it wasn't they wouldn't need to have all those statues of traitors who fought to keep slaves all over the place.
    tulc(kind of thought that part didn't need to be explained)
     
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  7. Lord Vega

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    I stand corrected. Touché.
     
  8. tulc

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    ...Yeah, because if people didn't have all those heroic statues of "heroic Civil War guys" all around, they might not remember how wonderful it was for them to own slaves. Or, and I'm just putting a thought out here, they might have to read a history book or two?
    tulc(just a thought)
     
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  9. Lord Vega

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    Why do you believe slavery is the sole defining aspect of Southern heritage? That's what it sounds like you're implying.
     
  10. tulc

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    Okay, you want an actual monument that (I think) conveys actual southern history? Check out this one:
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    Why an Alabama Town Has a Monument Honoring the Most Destructive Pest in American History | History | Smithsonian Magazine
    tulc(might also point out according to the plaque, this county has the best name of any county in the USA EVER)
     
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  11. Lord Vega

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  12. tulc

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    Because if it wasn't why are all the statues people are fighting to keep about people who fought to keep slavery legal?
    tulc(just thought that should be pointed out)
     
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  13. tulc

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    Didn't read the article did you?
    tulc(that's why he posted the link because it explains the statue)
     
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  14. nonaeroterraqueous

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    How long until those are burned?
     
  15. tulc

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    Why would anyone bother burning them if no one seems to have any interest in reading them? Apparently, all that's needed are some statues dedicated to the "GLORIOUS MEMORY OF WHEN WE WERE ALLOWED TO OWN SLAVES!!" to teach history/southern culture.
    tulc(is going to need more coffee soon)
     
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  16. Albion

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    It's encouraging to see common sense coming from both sides. Hopefully, that may begin to grow on other civic leaders, too.
     
  17. Albion

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    It's true. The way things are worded on monuments, etc. can make a difference, but it is a lie to make out that Southern soldiers fought for slavery.

    Most did not own any slaves themselves and did not admire those who did.

    But they were patriots and fought for their homeland. What people today do not understand is that until the Civil War, the state was considered to be first in one's line of loyalties. A man was first a Virginian or a Georgian, for instance.

    Indeed, until that time, the usual way of speaking had it as "the United States, they...." which sounds ungrammatical to us today. It was only after the war that it became "the United States, it (or she)...."

    And when the Pledge of Allegiance was written, a special effort was made to include a reference to the oneness of the union, as though that was needed ("One Nation, Indivisible....")
     
  18. tulc

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    Their homeland had slavery enshrined in their Constitution, so to say they "didn't like slavery they fought for their homeland." kind of omits that fact. They were more than willing to fight and kill so their "homeland" could have slavery. Been here:

    Slavery in the Permanent Confederate Constitution
    tulc(notes the Confederate States seemed to be more honest about "Southern Culture" than people are now)
     
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  19. JimR-OCDS

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    They fought for their homeland which wanted to keep slavery legal.

    As it was, after the Civil War Ended, many southern districts passed anti-vagrancy laws, so they could arrest freed black slaves an place them on prison work-gangs which worked on the large plantations. It was still slavery with a different name.
     
  20. Albion

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    Sure, but I was addressing a different point. And, after all, it was legal in states that didn't secede, too.
     
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