"j"esus culture and hillsong apostates

[Natsumi Lam]

Hi Natsumi, good question. But being that your question comes in line after the things I was discussing and inquiring about with brinny, you may have to help me understand what you mean in your question.

I will check your conversation first then get back to you

 

[Natsumi Lam]

Stop spreading conspiracy theories about people just because you don't like their ministry. I don't really care for it either but bearing false witness is not OK.

Arent we discussing this very thing in this thread? Isnt that the point of this thread is to discuss their real or sheddy gospel?

Just because someone raises a valid point that may disagree with you does not mean it is bearing false witness.

Do you 100% know the dynamic and heart of both ministries and what goes on behind the scenes?

 

[Natsumi Lam]

So back to the OP.

Do you believe there are too many, too little or no examples of symbolism pointing to dark subjects in their videos and Easter celebrations?

 

[Romans 8]

Stop spreading conspiracy theories about people just because you don't like their ministry. I don't really care for it either but bearing false witness is not OK.

This is not a conspiracy theory. Jesus Culture was birthed by Bethel Church in Redding California. Hillsong, fully endorses the NAR and Bethel. By their endorsement they are guilty. This is biblical, this is what Jesus taught. I have already posted scripture to support this.

People in the limelight with influence such as teachers, Pastors, and the like are held more accountable than the average joe. These people are leading people to hell. I am not overstating this.

Because of who these bands endorse, when you are subject to them, you are subject to Bethel church. If anyone tries to claim that Bethel church is not satanic, then you my friend do not have the Holy Spirit within you.

 

[Romans 8]

So back to the OP.

Do you believe there are too many, too little or no examples of symbolism pointing to dark subjects in their videos and Easter celebrations?

Like I've pointed out through the whole thread...it's not just about jesus culture/hillsong's music and lyrics. It's who they represent: Bethel church.

But yeah, if people watch the Easter celebration by hillsong London and cannot see the evil in it, God help them.

 

[FireDragon76]

This is not a conspiracy theory. Jesus Culture was birthed by Bethel Church in Redding California. Hillsong, fully endorses the NAR and Bethel. By their endorsement they are guilty. This is biblical, this is what Jesus taught. I have already posted scripture to support this.

But how is "sozo" satanic or the name of a demon? That's just silly. It's just some dudes laying on the floor and hoping God does stuff to them. It's unusual, yeah, and would probably freak out the folks at my church, but everybody prays in their own way.

 

[Natsumi Lam]

But how is "sozo" satanic or the name of a demon? That's just silly. It's just some dudes laying on the floor and hoping God does stuff to them. It's unusual, yeah, and would probably freak out the folks at my church, but everybody prays in their own way.

Why does it sound silly that a demon could share the same name? Do you know all their names? Aka Jezebel is a great example.

 

[FireDragon76]

Why does it sound silly that a demon could share the same name? Aka Jezebel is a great examplr.

There's a girl at church named Delilah, does that mean she's evil? Or just that her parents thought it was a pretty name, despite the fact it means "faithless" in Hebrew?

 

[Natsumi Lam]

There's a girl at church named Delilah, does that mean she's evil?

Why do you believe a demon cant share a name aka Jezebel?

Again...do you believe all demons share the same name or function? Do you know all their names? Nor do i but i do know some use certain names to identify their function?

Back to the OP of Bethel. Do you think it is possible that there could be shadiness going on?

 

[Romans 8]

But how is "sozo" satanic or the name of a demon? That's just silly. It's just some dudes laying on the floor and hoping God does stuff to them. It's unusual, yeah, and would probably freak out the folks at my church, but everybody prays in their own way.

What Bill Johnson of Bethel church has done is take a biblical word, and make a practice out of it. The problem with that is they work with demons, which they call the holy spirit, but it's not the holy spirit, it's another spirit. It's deception is all.

With everything Satanic, they take God's creation and things of God and they invert everything, and counterfeit it. It becomes rather obvious after you study what he's done and doing. I believe all Christians should be familiar with his works so they are not so easily deceived. I'm shocked at how much Christians unknowingly defend the works of Satan.

We need to be careful of this because attributing the works of Satan to God is the inverse of blaspheming the Holy Spirit and I think just as serious of a sin. And this is yet another deception.

 

[FireDragon76]

Why do you believe a demon cant share a name aka Jezebel?

Again...do you believe all demons share the same name or function? Do you know all their names? Nor do i but i do know some use certain names to identify their function?

Back to the OP of Bethel. Do you think it is possible that there could be shadiness going on?

Names of demons simply aren't important. This is bordering on superstition in my mind. It's not relevant to salvation. @ViaCrucis had a post about this, I believe, about witches, and the same thing applies. The average layman does not need to know about exorcism or demonology, it is a dangerous and unwholesome subject.

 

[Romans 8]

A brief video on Bethel chruch...

 

[FireDragon76]

Like I said, people have different ways to pray, whether they are Christian or Hindu. It's not for me to judge these things needlessly. Jesus said by their fruit we will know them. God doesn't care about religious piety or exactly how you pray, but he does care about doing justice and loving mercy.

 

[Natsumi Lam]

Names of demons simply aren't important. This is bordering on superstition in my mind. It's not relevant to salvation. @ViaCrucis had a post about this, I believe, about witches, and the same thing applies. The average layman does not need to know about exorcism or demonology, it as dangerous and unwholesome subject.

We are instructed by God to deliver the captives and drive out demons. I will leave it at that since CF does not permit such discussion.

Back to the OP. I agree with Romans 8.

 

[Natsumi Lam]

Names of demons simply aren't important. This is bordering on superstition in my mind. It's not relevant to salvation. @ViaCrucis had a post about this, I believe, about witches, and the same thing applies. The average layman does not need to know about exorcism or demonology, it as dangerous and unwholesome subject.

Just remember even Jesus asked the name of the demons in Mark 5.

 

[Natsumi Lam]

Like I said, people have different ways to pray, whether they are Christian or Hindu. It's not for me to judge these things needlessly. Jesus said by their fruit we will know them. God doesn't care about religious piety or exactly how you pray, but he does care about doing justice and loving mercy.

Then why are you in this thread if not to "judge"

Names of demons simply aren't important. This is bordering on superstition in my mind. It's not relevant to salvation. @ViaCrucis had a post about this, I believe, about witches, and the same thing applies. The average layman does not need to know about exorcism or demonology, it as dangerous and unwholesome subject.

Not all Christ did was relevent to salvation exclusively...nor do we do what is only relevent to salvation.

 

[Romans 8]

Names of demons simply aren't important. This is bordering on superstition in my mind. It's not relevant to salvation. @ViaCrucis had a post about this, I believe, about witches, and the same thing applies. The average layman does not need to know about exorcism or demonology, it as dangerous and unwholesome subject.

This whole thread is based on spiritual warfare, meanwhile you're fighting FOR the enemy. Who needs Satan when we have Christians who fight for him?

 

[Natsumi Lam]

This whole thread is based on spiritual warfare, meanwhile you're fighting FOR the enemy. Who needs Satan when we have Christians who fight for him?

I also wonder why he is a sw thread.

 

[Romans 8]

Not all Christ did was relevent to salvation exclusively...nor do we do what is only relevent to salvation.

That's correct. Most of the healings done by Jesus include deliverance.

 

[Romans 8]

I also wonder why he is a sw thread.

He's a cessationist and doesn't believe in Jesus's work today. And because he believes this he fights against Jesus and the body of Christ.