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"It is better to beg forgiveness than to ask permission."

Discussion in 'Ethics & Morality' started by Gordon Wright, Aug 11, 2015.

  1. Gordon Wright

    Gordon Wright Newbie

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    That is of course nowhere in the Bible, at least as far as I can tell. But is it reconcilable with scripture or contradicted by it?

    The young Jesus did not ask permission of Mary and Joseph to hang out in the temple. Nor did he beg forgiveness afterward.

    Moses did not ask permission of Pharaoh to take the Israelites out of Egypt.

    Stephen did not ask permission of the Sanhedrin to preach the Word.

    Jeremiah did not ask permission of the king to prophesy. Nor did Elijah.

    Did Abraham ask permission to leave the house of his father? It's not recorded that he did.

    On the other hand, Esther did ask permission - but wasn't completely open about her intentions or motives. Then again, she was dealing with a mental mediocrity in a position of great power. She was in a contest with Haman to grab the strings of this puppet.

    Nehemiah asked permission, and it was granted. Suppose it hadn't been granted?

    Perhaps whether or not to ask permission depends on the particular situation. It certainly isn't an absolute. The powers that be are inferior to God, and a man of faith can go over the king's head and straight to the top.
     
  2. Holoman

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    Well the wording of the phrase implies that one is doing something wrong, otherwise they wouldn't need forgiveness. I suppose it depends on whether you are doing something morally wrong, or merely something that a particular person perceives as wrong but that you think is for the right reasons. In the examples you gave of people not asking permission I'm not sure any of them asked for forgiveness, so I think given the implications of the question it is unbiblical to do something knowingly wrong in preference to asking for forgiveness later.
     
  3. Paradoxum

    Paradoxum Liberty, Equality, Solidarity!

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    If someone disagrees with your choice, it's easier to ask 'forgiveness'.
     
  4. keith99

    keith99 sola dosis facit venenum

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    One asks permission from one who has authority, or put differently rightful responsibility over you. Scripture speaks volumes on this from honor your mother and your father to Paul saying to submit to authorities.

    It may be EASIER to ask forgiveness, but it is not better.
     
  5. Gordon Wright

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    Yes, and with provisos galore. But I've already covered that elsewhere.
     
  6. GoldenBoy89

    GoldenBoy89 We're Still Here

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    When I was little I used to pray to God for a bicycle. Then I found out prayer doesn't work that way so I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness. :cool:
     
  7. Paradoxum

    Paradoxum Liberty, Equality, Solidarity!

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    Why not better, sometimes?
     
  8. Deidre32

    Deidre32 Follow Thy Heart

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    If given the opportunity, ask permission. There is an implication of taking someone's forgiveness for granted, if you knew beforehand that asking permission was the right thing to do. Just how I view it.
     
  9. Gordon Wright

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    Suppose Stephen had asked permission of the Sanhedrin before preaching Christ. Would they have said yes? If they had said no, what then?
     
  10. Lazy_Proverb

    Lazy_Proverb "You did not choose me but I chose you"Jn.15:16

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    They did say no. That's why Stephen was stoned to death while Saul of Tarsus held his robe.

    They believed they had permission under God and they have never asked forgiveness.
     
  11. Deidre32

    Deidre32 Follow Thy Heart

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    It's hard to say. You can't preach about religion at work for example, so should you ask there? Maybe there is a time and place for everything. But, you could do it and accept the consequences. There are always consequences, remember.
     
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