It could be worse, Donald...

[The Barbarian]

Betsy DeVos' approval rating is 28% as voters back investigations into student debt scandal: poll

After gutting loan forgiveness programs, DeVos is the most unpopular Trump administration official in a new poll
Betsy DeVos approval rating at 28% as voters back investigations: poll

 

[-57]

U.S. Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos will probably want to keep the schools open....which will probably irritate the socialist democrats.

The socialist democrats will want to shut down the schools for the sole reason Trump wants them open.

The socialist democrats will base their reason on politics rather than science.

 

[tulc]

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The socialist democrats will base their reason on politics rather than science.

...science says open up if it can be done safely, President Trump says open up so people can pretend the pandemic is over and apparently the "socialist Democrats" just don't want their kids to die.
tulc(is in favor of that last bit)

 

[Hank77]

...science says open up if it can be done safely, President Trump says open up so people can pretend the pandemic is over and apparently the "socialist Democrats" just don't want their kids to die.
tulc(is in favor of that last bit)

Or bring the virus home to grandma and grandpa that may be raising them.
We have a couple in the church here who are in their 70s and raising their 3 grandsons.

 

[seeking.IAM]

...The socialist democrats will want to shut down the schools for the sole reason Trump wants them open...

Or maybe because they are afraid for their children, their neighbors, or themselves. It's not about politics. It's about public health.

 

[pescador]

U.S. Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos will probably want to keep the schools open....which will probably irritate the socialist democrats.

The socialist democrats will want to shut down the schools for the sole reason Trump wants them open.

The socialist democrats will base their reason on politics rather than science.

There is no party called "socialist democrats". There is the Democratic party, which is committed to the welfare of all the people. It has been around for a long time and has done a lot of good for this country and the world.

Falsely demonizing the opposition party is an old tactic of despots and dictators. => Don't buy into it <=

 

[The Barbarian]

U.S. Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos will probably want to keep the schools open....which will probably irritate the socialist democrats.

And the parents, whose kids she wants to be placed in danger.

The socialist democrats will want to shut down the schools for the sole reason Trump wants them open.

Because re-opening them might help the economy, at the cost of many more deaths from the pandemic. You're probably right on that.

The far right will base their reason on politics rather than science and public safety.

 

[The Barbarian]

BTW, if anyone here happens to be from Texas...

Sign a petition:

Make Texas Politicians take the same risks they expect teachers and students to take.
Signez la pétition

 

[-57]

Or maybe because they are afraid for their children, their neighbors, or themselves. It's not about politics. It's about public health.

Show me the science that says it's about public health. That's all I ask.

 

[-57]

And the parents, whose kids she wants to be placed in danger.


Because re-opening them might help the economy, at the cost of many more deaths from the pandemic. You're probably right on that.

The far right will base their reason on politics rather than science and public safety.

Show me the science that says it's about public health. That's all I ask.

 

[-57]

There is no party called "socialist democrats". There is the Democratic party, which is committed to the welfare of all the people. It has been around for a long time and has done a lot of good for this country and the world.

Falsely demonizing the opposition party is an old tactic of despots and dictators. => Don't buy into it <=

There is the Democratic party, which is committed to the welfare of all the people....especially unborn babies..

NEXT

 

[-57]

...science says open up if it can be done safely, President Trump says open up so people can pretend the pandemic is over and apparently the "socialist Democrats" just don't want their kids to die.
tulc(is in favor of that last bit)

Show me the science that says it's about public health. That's all I ask.

 

[seeking.IAM]

Show me the science that says it's about public health. That's all I ask.

If you can't see the science you must be living in a cave.

 

[The Barbarian]

Show me the science that says it's about public health. That's all I ask.

Real world? Look what happened in countries that took effective action against the pandemic. Then look how it worked with Trump's "let hope it goes away" approach.

Which of those brought the pandemic to an end in their countries? Yep.

Reality is a pretty good argument, don't you think?

 

[-57]

Real world? Look what happened in countries that took effective action against the pandemic. Then look how it worked with Trump's "let hope it goes away" approach.

Which of those brought the pandemic to an end in their countries? Yep.

Reality is a pretty good argument, don't you think?

SHOW ME THE SCIENCE.

 

[The Barbarian]

SHOW ME THE SCIENCE.

Sure. Here's the basic math you'll need to understand it:
The Mathematics of Epidemiology

Take a look and let me know where, if anywhere, you think it's wrong. Then we'll go on to how the models are actually fitted to real cases.

There's no royal road to epidemiology, either.

 

[-57]

Sure. Here's the basic math you'll need to understand it:
The Mathematics of Epidemiology

Take a look and let me know where, if anywhere, you think it's wrong. Then we'll go on to how the models are actually fitted to real cases.

There's no royal road to epidemiology, either.

Plug in the numbers for school age children....then if you can, get back to me.

 

[seeking.IAM]

Plug in the numbers for school age children....then if you can, get back to me.

In my state 7.5% of positive cases are below the age of 19. That's not so bad. Unless, of course, one of them is your kid. Real data here.

 

[The Barbarian]

Barbarian suggests:
Take a look and let me know where, if anywhere, you think it's wrong. Then we'll go on to how the models are actually fitted to real cases.

(Turns out, 57 can't do the math)

Plug in the numbers for school age children....

So if you don't even understand the science, how do you expect to decide if it's right or not?

The rates of actual infection for children doesn't seem to be significantly different than it is for adults. But the difference in severe or critical illness is different:

rates of severe or critical illness were about 7% for children ages 1 to 5, 4% for those 6 to 10, 4% for those 11 to 15 and 3% for those 16 and older.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases...ronavirus-in-babies-and-children/art-20484405

So, given the math (which has been consistent with data from states that "opened up") and states like Florida, Texas, Oklahoma, or California, one might expect that in a school with 500 kids, you would see about 23 kids being hospitalized in serious condition.

But that's not the whole story, of course. They will take the virus home with them, and infect their parents and anyone else in the household.

Infants are at a much higher risk than toddlers and school-age kids. The rate of severe or critical illness for them is about 11%.
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There's another issue, too. Each teacher who become positive for the virus, would be removed from the school and quarantined for two weeks. How many subs do you think would be willing to risk their lives for $60-$95 a day?

Not enough. Most districts don't have enough subs to handle things on a normal basis.

And I get why we're having this push. Trump is frantic to somehow salvage his standing with the public, and getting schools back to "normal" would be one good way to do that. The increase in illnesses and deaths among children and their families, seems to him to be a reasonable price to pay for saving his political career and keeping him out of prison.

 

[renniks]

There is no party called "socialist democrats". There is the Democratic party, which is committed to the welfare of all the people. It has been around for a long time and has done a lot of good for this country and the world.

Falsely demonizing the opposition party is an old tactic of despots and dictators. => Don't buy into it <=

The Democrats aren't what they used to be. These days, they lean farther left than ever.