It’s Paul For Me

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You must have a huge problem in reading comprehension to interpret my statement

"There are churches in the OT as well as the NT that are certainly NOT the BOC."

into me saying

the new testament churches "are certainly NOT the BOC"

I agree that my reading of your statements must be more careful. Point accepted.
But there STILL is much to correct even in this case, as readers will see shortly.

The acts 2 assembly is a church (Acts 2:47), but it's certainly not the body of Christ.

Jews and gentiles are not equal in that church, otherwise peter would have been contradicting himself at acts 10.

My more careful reading comprehension doesn't help this further error of yours.

The church in Jerusalem was the first local church in a time of transition out of the old covenant into the new covenant.
Because the saints were growing into this realization rather gradually and with some difficulty does not mean they were not Christ's Body.

They pioneered in the baptism of the Holy Spirit. And that baptism is into one Body (Christ's Body of course).
For also in one Spirit we were all baptized into one Body, whether Jews or Greeks,
whether slaves or free, and were all given to drink one Spirit. (1 Cor. 12:13)

The Jews were baptized that day of Pentecost into the Body of Christ in Acts chapter 2.
The Gentiles were baptized into the same Body of Christ latter in Acts chapter 10.
In ONE Spirit they were both baptized into ONE Body.

So if they were baptized into one Body, why are you teaching that they were not ?

You cannot say that because they in Acts 2 had not yet fully appreciated what God was doing that that makes
them not the Body of Christ.

A new Christian may be wishy washy about realizing that the blood of Christ has obliterated their past guilt immediately.
That gradual growth into this realization does not nullify the FACT that redemption has been that effective.

They as well as we today need the eyes of our hearts to be enlightened to the reality of our inheritance in Christ.

That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the full knowledge of Him,
The eyes of your heart having been enlightened, that you may know what is the hope of His calling,
and what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, (Eph. 1:17,18)

Neither does the cultural problems the saints in Jerusalem had between the Hebrew widows and Hellenistic widows make them
not the Body of Christ. It only means that they needed to be enlightened to the truth (some of them).

Both the believers brought into the church in Acts 2 and in Acts 10 both must be enlightened more into what God has done.
That is precisely why God provided an apostle like Paul to author some 13 of the 27 books of the New Testament.

The truth is that there is One Body in Christ because there is One Spirit and One Baptism into the Triune God.

Being diligent to keep the oneness of the Spirit in the uniting bond of peace:
One Body and one Spirit, even as also you were called in one hope of your calling;
One Lord, one faith, one baptism;
One God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. (Eph. 4:3-6)

So if the first local church was not of Christ's Body than NO other local church would have been.
The presence of immaturity or shortage of enlightenment in Acts 2 did not make them NOT the Body of Christ.

 

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Jews and gentiles are not equal in that church, otherwise peter would have been contradicting himself at acts 10.

Yes they were equal as sons of God.

For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There cannot be Jew nor Greek, there cannot be slave nor free man, there cannot be male and female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

And if you are of Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, heirs according to promise. (Gal. 3:26-29)

You are simply trying to salvage the heresy that the Judaizers taught to undermine the apostle's teaching.
You are hanging on to the schism that the believing Pharisees propagated from Jerusalem which the Holy Spirit corrected in Acts 15.

 

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I already gave you a clue where you can really prove me wrong, when I said "they never written in any of their letters to Israel that they were."

You cannot insist that because Peter did not use the phrase "the Body" therefore he was against the wisdom given to Paul.
In fact Peter was quite humble to recognize that the younger apostle had a way of teaching which revealed divine wisdom given to him.

. . . even as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, wrote to you,
As also in all his letters, speaking in them concerning these things, in which some things are hard to understand, which the unlearned and unstable twist, as also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. (2 Pet. 3:15b,16)

This is striking humility in as much as Peter was publicly scolded by the younger man when Peter showed weakness.

Though Peter did not use the utterance of the Body in his two epistles he does refer to the building of the spiritual house.
I already showed you the one building of God and man, of God within man and man into God was mentioned by
Jesus, by Peter, and by Paul.

Jesus - I will build My church, (Matt. 16:18)

Peter - You yourselves also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house (1 Pet. 2:5)

Paul - you also are being built together into a dwelling place of God in spirit. (Eph. 2:22)

There is no argument that this living building is the church which is the Body of Christ.

You just need to show me any where in their epistles where they tell any of the circumcised little flock that

1. We/they are in the Body of Christ where
2. Jews and gentiles are equal
3. if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing
4. They are dead to the Law.

and I will agree with you.

This further challenge can be addressed if you don't move the goal post around as I attempt to reply to each bullet point.

We must not dumb down the truth to accommodate for shortages and failures of Christianity. We must not do that.
We should be absolute for the truth and not compromise it to excuse failures of the Christians.

Going back to Jerusalem, the rock solid revelation Saul of Tarsus received when he was persecuting the church there was
that he was persecuting Christ HIMSELF. To persecute the church was to persecute the Lord Jesus HIMSELF.

And he fell on the ground and heard a voice saying to him, Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?
And he said, Who are You, Lord? And He said, I am Jesus, whom you persecute. (Acts 9:4,5)

You see Paul never forgot this deep revelation. Jesus did not say "Why do you persecute my people?"
Nor did He say "Why do you persecute my church?"
He asked "Why do you persecute ME? . . . I am Jesus, whom you persecute. "

This changed the man's life forever. The people in whom Jesus was living collectively were Jesus and His Body.
This became the bedrock revelation of Paul's teaching that the church is the Body of Christ.
We must see the same today.

 

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Yes they were equal as sons of God.

For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There cannot be Jew nor Greek, there cannot be slave nor free man, there cannot be male and female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

And if you are of Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, heirs according to promise. (Gal. 3:26-29)

You are simply trying to salvage the heresy that the Judaizers taught to undermine the apostle's teaching.
You are hanging on to the schism that the believing Pharisees propagated from Jerusalem which the Holy Spirit corrected in Acts 15.

Do you even bother reading Acts 10, what Peter actually said to Cornelius?

It was certainly not "There cannot be Jew nor Greek, there cannot be slave nor free man, there cannot be male and female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

Try reading Acts 10:28 for a start

 

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You cannot insist that because Peter did not use the phrase "the Body" therefore he was against the wisdom given to Paul.

This further challenge can be addressed if you don't move the goal post around as I attempt to reply to each bullet point.

I already laid the goal post down to you in the post you replied to.

You didn't address any of my bullet points at all.

You just need to show me any where in their epistles where they tell any of the circumcised little flock that

1. We/they are in the Body of Christ where
2. Jews and gentiles are equal
3. if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing
4. They are dead to the Law.

 

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The church in Jerusalem was the first local church in a time of transition out of the old covenant into the new covenant.
Because the saints were growing into this realization rather gradually and with some difficulty does not mean they were not Christ's Body.

You cannot say that because they in Acts 2 had not yet fully appreciated what God was doing that that makes
them not the Body of Christ.

The presence of immaturity or shortage of enlightenment in Acts 2 did not make them NOT the Body of Christ.

So you are using the "The Acts 2 church was actually thinking exactly the same as the Body of Christ, they just don't realize it yet" reasoning.

If that is how you want to interpret scripture, so be it.

 

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Do you even bother reading Acts 10, what Peter actually said to Cornelius?

It was certainly not "There cannot be Jew nor Greek, there cannot be slave nor free man, there cannot be male and female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

Try reading Acts 10:28 for a start

You have no case against the pure word of God that Jews and Gentiles were equally plunged into the Holy Spirit.

THREE TIMES God gave Peter a vision that the Gentiles were to be sanctified and made clean as the Israelites were.

And a voice came to him again a second time: The things that God has cleansed, do not make common.
And this occurred three times; and immediately the vessel was taken up into heaven. (Acts 10:15,16)

So before the event of the Holy Spirit baptizing them into the same Body God foretold Peter to get him ready.
Where have you been?

The vision meant EQUAL status and standing of Jews and Gentiles in the same Body.
Then we have Peter's reaction to observing the Gentiles undergoing the identical same immersion into the Holy Spirit.

While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those hearing the word.
And the believers who were of the circumcision, as many as had accompanied Peter, were amazed, because on the Gentiles also the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out;

For they heard them speaking in tongues and magnifying God. Then Peter answered,

Can anyone forbid the water so that these would not be baptized, who have received the Holy Spirit even as we?
And he charged them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to remain for some days. (Acts 10:44-48)

Because the issue was a major one (the equal status of the Gentiles with the Jews) Peter took with him six witnesses.
And before the elders and apostles in Jerusalem he bore witness to God treating the Gentile believers exactly the same as He had the Jews.

And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell on them just as also on us in the beginning.
And I remembered the word of the Lord, how He said, John baptized with water, but you shall be baptized in the Holy Spirit.

If therefore God has given to them the equal gift as also to us who have believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could have forbidden God?

And when they heard these things, they became silent and glorified God, saying, Then to the Gentiles also God has given repentance unto life. (Acts 11:15-18)

 

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You have no case against the pure word of God that Jews and Gentiles were equally plunged into the Holy Spirit.

THREE TIMES God gave Peter a vision that the Gentiles were to be sanctified and made clean as the Israelites were.

And a voice came to him again a second time: The things that God has cleansed, do not make common.
And this occurred three times; and immediately the vessel was taken up into heaven. (Acts 10:15,16)

So before the event of the Holy Spirit baptizing them into the same Body God foretold Peter to get him ready.
Where have you been?

Even if your interpretation of that passage is correct, it happened in Acts 10.

So in Acts 2, the church is still Israel only, which was my original point

 

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Even if your interpretation of that passage is correct, it happened in Acts 10.

We should not expect that only one chapter would be sufficient to reveal the entire scope of God's doings.
The whole Bible is a gradual and progressive unfolding of His counsels.

Also we should realize men often can take only so much revelation at one time.
It is understandable that Peter needed to be prepared to be enlarged and expanded to see more of what God's eternal purpose was.
And like he we too require repetition until the truth sinks into our hearts.

So in Acts 2, the church is still Israel only, which was my original point

Yes, the church started with those Israelites in Jerusalem.
But in the eyes of God transcendent over time He knew He would bring in the Gentiles into one body in Christ.

Actually, the Gentile Ethiopian eunuch was baptized into Christ by Philippe the evangelist even before the event of Acts 10. (Acts 8:26-40)
But the first to enter into the Body of Christ were those Jews gathered from many surrounding nations on the day of Pentecost.

Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven. (Acts 2:5) . . .
Parthians and Medes and Elamites and those dwelling in Mesopotamia, both in Judea and Cappadocia, in Pontus and Asia,
Both in Phrygia and Pamphylia, in Egypt and the parts of Libya around Cyrene, and the sojourning of Rome, both Jews and proselytes,
Cretans and Arabians, (vs. 9-11a)

 

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1. We/they are in the Body of Christ where
2. Jews and gentiles are equal
3. if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing
4. They are dead to the Law.

Sure, I will speak to these bullet points.

Concerning #1 the word of God tells us -

For also in one Spirit we were all baptized into one Body, whether Jews or Greeks,
whether slaves or free, and were all given to drink one Spirit. (1 Cor. 12:12,13)

Paul uses "we" to include himself, an Israelite of the tribe of Benjamen and a Hebrew of Hebrews.

Though I myself have something to be confident of in the flesh as well. If any other man thinks that he has confidence in the flesh, I more:
Circumcised the eighth day; of the race of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew born of Hebrews; as to the law, a Pharisee; (Phil. 3:4,5)

We only need to observe that Paul, and his Jewish fellow believers, AND His Greek fellow believers were all baptized into one Body.
Of course that is the Body of Christ.

Concerning #2 -

I think the major point here is that Christ is all and in all in the Body of Christ.
Our old statuses and social or ethnic or cultural ranks of race, nationality, country are superseded by CHRIST who fills all in all.

. . . the church, Which is His Body, the fullness of the One who fills all in all. (Eph. 1:22b,23)

In the Body God tempers or blends the members blending them together so that there would be no schism in the Body.

But God has blended the body together, giving more abundant honor to the member that lacked,
That there would be no division in the body, but that the members would have the same care for one another. (1 Cor. 12:24b,25)

For also in one Spirit we were all baptized into one Body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and were all given to drink one Spirit. For the body is not one member but many.
If the foot should say, Because I am not a hand, I am not of the body, it is not that because of this it is not of the body.
And if the ear should say, Because I am not an eye, I am not of the body, it is not that because of this it is not of the body. (1 Cor. 12:13-16)

The blending involves lowering the highmindedness of some and uplifting the realization of others.
Some members are made to realize they are not the ONLY important members.
And other members are made to not regard themselves too lowlily.

The net effect of this ongoing adjustment and harmonizing is that only Christ is preeminent filling all with Himself.

Having said that, Paul does spend a chapter warning the Gentiles who have been grafted into the original "olive tree" to not
be highminded. This discussion is in Romans chapter 11. So "equal" is a somewhat problematic word. In Christ the members are tempered,
tuned, adjusted to the point that ONLY Christ is everyone, everything, and everybody in the new man.

My concern is not with equality in a historical sense but blending to full harmony to express one grand Person Christ.

Christ's mighty petition for the church in John 17 shows that the oneness of the Triune God must be wrought into
the believers for an eternal expression of our oneness even as the Triune God is one.

This process is the PERFECTING which cannot fail to develop and finalize in eternity. Ie. that they may be perfected into one,

And I do not ask concerning these only, but concerning those also who believe into Me through their word,

That they all may be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us; that the world may believe that You have sent Me.

And the glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, even as We are one;

I in them, and You in Me, that they may be perfected into one, that the world may know that You have sent Me and have loved them even as You have loved Me. (John 17:20-23)

This might request of the Father to the Son cannot fail to be actualized. And the last two chapters of the Bible, Revelation 21 and 22, show in a profound sign the New Jerusalem as the final answer to this prayer of the Son.
The redeemed are transformed, glorified, transfigured and built up into one as God's living temple and Christ's Bride for an eternal marriage.

This is our destination as the saved. And this is our destiny - the mingling of the Triune God with the tripartite man for a corporate expression of man built into God and God built into humanity. Individually the saved are sons of God. Collectively they are the living and "organic" tabernacle of God as His dwelling place in the new universe.

And He said to me, They have come to pass. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give to him who thirsts from the spring of the water of life freely.

He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be God to him, and he will be a son to Me. (Rev. 21:6,7)

Allow me to speak to the other bullet items in another post or two.

 

[Guojing]

Sure, I will speak to these bullet points.

Concerning #1 the word of God tells us -

For also in one Spirit we were all baptized into one Body, whether Jews or Greeks,
whether slaves or free, and were all given to drink one Spirit. (1 Cor. 12:12,13)

Paul uses "we" to include himself, an Israelite of the tribe of Benjamen and a Hebrew of Hebrews.

in their epistles where they tell any of the circumcised little flock that

Do you understand what this statement means, in terms of the epistles to use?

Hint: Hebrews to Jude.

 

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Concerning #3 -
if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing

The Christians of the churches in Galatia had been bewitched to revert back to a principle of
being justified before God by works, particularly the work of being circumcized.

Doing this they would abandon faith and grace. Though they be eternally redeemed Christ would be
circumvented from transforming them. Though Christ's life is transformative, powerful, effective, and more than adaquate to
conform them to His image, such great power of divine life would be of no profit to them. They would nullify the effective
work of grace in their lives. They would short change themselves by denying Christ's grace to make Christ everything to them
that both they and God needed.

Paul on the other hand said he was crucified with Christ. And he said it was no longer he struggling and striving but it was
Christ living in him. He therefore allowed Christ's grace to continue the transformative work. He did not NULLIFY the grace of God.

I am crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but it is Christ who lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live in faith, the faith of the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.

I do not nullify the grace of God; for if righteousness is through law, then Christ has died for nothing. (Gal. 2:19,20)

If the Galatian Christians would repent of reverting back to law keeping to faith that Christ can be in them everything they need,
then Christ tremendous profit would be at work again. They should not nullify this great effective work of grace in them.

Grace me may say is God being in us and for us everything we need.
it is no longer I who live, but it is Christ who lives in me;

And this dynamo of transformative power of divine life is activated by FAITH - FAITH that whatever we lack Christ is that
all-inclusive supply.
and the life which I now live in the flesh I live in faith, the faith of the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.


Conerning #4
They are dead to the Law.

So faith is the catalyst to cause Christ to make His home in all the chambers of our heart.
And even the faith is of Him and not of ourselves. We owe all to Him. And in this we should deepen and deepen in appreciation.

That Christ may make His home in your hearts through faith, (Eph. 3:17a)

I live in faith, the faith of the Son of God, (Gal. 2:20b)

So even to the very principle of law keeping we are dead through the death of Christ in His cross.

So then, my brothers, you also have been made dead to the law through the body of Christ so that you might be joined to another, to Him who has been raised from the dead, that we might bear fruit to God. (Rom. 7:4)

But now we have been discharged from the law, having died to that in which we were held, so that we serve in newness of spirit and not in oldness of letter. (v.6)

All this becomes our reality as we touch the Spirit within, as we abide in the Spirit, set our mind on the Spirit of Christ who is joined to our spirit. There the effectiveness of Christ's perfect life, His fine humanity, His effective death and termination of our old man, and His victorious resurrection are. It is in the Spirit and by the Spirit we enter into the experience of Christ being in us everything we need.

We must learn to unleash the grace, not nullifying it, by turning to our spirit to abide in the Spirit of Christ. There all His work and Himself is available to the Christian.

 

[Guojing]

Concerning #3 -
if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing

The Christians of the churches in Galatia had been bewitched to revert back to a principle of
being justified before God by works, particularly the work of being circumcized.

Doing this they would abandon faith and grace. Though they be eternally redeemed Christ would be
circumvented from transforming them. Though Christ's life is transformative, powerful, effective, and more than adaquate to
conform them to His image, such great power of divine life would be of no profit to them. They would nullify the effective
work of grace in their lives. They would short change themselves by denying Christ's grace to make Christ everything to them
that both they and God needed.

Paul on the other hand said he was crucified with Christ. And he said it was no longer he struggling and striving but it was
Christ living in him. He therefore allowed Christ's grace to continue the transformative work. He did not NULLIFY the grace of God.

I am crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but it is Christ who lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live in faith, the faith of the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.

I do not nullify the grace of God; for if righteousness is through law, then Christ has died for nothing. (Gal. 2:19,20)

If the Galatian Christians would repent of reverting back to law keeping to faith that Christ can be in them everything they need,
then Christ tremendous profit would be at work again. They should not nullify this great effective work of grace in them.

Grace me may say is God being in us and for us everything we need.
it is no longer I who live, but it is Christ who lives in me;

And this dynamo of transformative power of divine life is activated by FAITH - FAITH that whatever we lack Christ is that
all-inclusive supply.
and the life which I now live in the flesh I live in faith, the faith of the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.


Conerning #4
They are dead to the Law.

So faith is the catalyst to cause Christ to make His home in all the chambers of our heart.
And even the faith is of Him and not of ourselves. We owe all to Him. And in this we should deepen and deepen in appreciation.

That Christ may make His home in your hearts through faith, (Eph. 3:17a)

I live in faith, the faith of the Son of God, (Gal. 2:20b)

So even to the very principle of law keeping we are dead through the death of Christ in His cross.

So then, my brothers, you also have been made dead to the law through the body of Christ so that you might be joined to another, to Him who has been raised from the dead, that we might bear fruit to God. (Rom. 7:4)

But now we have been discharged from the law, having died to that in which we were held, so that we serve in newness of spirit and not in oldness of letter. (v.6)

All this becomes our reality as we touch the Spirit within, as we abide in the Spirit, set our mind on the Spirit of Christ who is joined to our spirit. There the effectiveness of Christ's perfect life, His fine humanity, His effective death and termination of our old man, and His victorious resurrection are. It is in the Spirit and by the Spirit we enter into the experience of Christ being in us everything we need.

We must learn to unleash the grace, not nullifying it, by turning to our spirit to abide in the Spirit of Christ. There all His work and Himself is available to the Christian.

Did Peter, James and John wrote those epistles to the circumcised?

 

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Did Peter, James and John wrote those epistles to the circumcised?

Many of my major thoughts on this I feel good about standing with.
The discussion was pretty useful. I think I will move on maybe see what some others would contribute.

 

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Many of my major thoughts on this I feel good about standing with.
The discussion was pretty useful. I think I will move on maybe see what some others would contribute.

What you have explained is why those points are true for us in the Body of Christ

When you finally realized that none of those points are said to the circumcised little flock by Peter, James and John, then you will understand why those who belong to true Israel are not in the Body of Christ.

 

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What you have explained is why those points are true for us in the Body of Christ

When you finally realized that none of those points are said to the circumcised little flock by Peter, James and John, then you will understand why those who belong to true Israel are not in the Body of Christ.

There is nothing to "finally realize" if you mean:

1.) Matthew's gospel is not for all believers in Christ inevitably.
2.) Peter, James, John are not in the Body of Christ.
3.) All the Body of Christ will be restricted to reside in Heaven during the millennium.
4.) Those with the imparted life of Christ are not of His Body.

Rebuttal of these errors can be viewed by any reader going back through my posts on this thread.

 

[Guojing]

There is nothing to "finally realize" if you mean:

1.) Matthew's gospel is not for all believers in Christ inevitably.
2.) Peter, James, John are not in the Body of Christ.
3.) All the Body of Christ will be restricted to reside in Heaven during the millennium.
4.) Those with the imparted life of Christ are not of His Body.

Rebuttal of these errors can be viewed by any reader going back through my posts on this thread.

But you failed to produce any epistles from Peter James and John saying any of my 4 points.

No point saying you rebutted when there was no rebuttal.

 

[Guojing]

For now there are plenty of points I made which were ignored that require your answer IF you are interested in really examining
Berean style the Scripture here.

All your points you made, in response to my post, are irrelevant.

You just need to show me any where in their epistles where they tell any of the circumcised little flock that

1. We/they are in the Body of Christ where
2. Jews and gentiles are equal
3. if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing
4. They are dead to the Law.

You deliberately remove my first line "You just need to show me any where in their epistles where they tell any of the circumcised little flock that" when you quoted me, and proceed to spam all your irrelevant points.

Irrelevant points don't require any answer. All you did was to show from Paul's epistles to the Body of Christ that those 4 points are true for us, which I already agreed.

That is why they are ignored.

I will respect your position more if you just admit that "Peter James and John said none of those 4 points, but those 4 points are indeed true for us in the Body of Christ".

Then I will agree with you, and we can finally close this discussion without you necessarily needing to agree with me that those 3 are not in the Body of Christ

 

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All your points you made, in response to my post, are irrelevant.



You deliberately remove my first line "You just need to show me any where in their epistles where they tell any of the circumcised little flock that" when you quoted me, and proceed to spam all your irrelevant points.

Irrelevant points don't require any answer. All you did was to show from Paul's epistles to the Body of Christ that those 4 points are true for us, which I already agreed.

That is why they are ignored.

I will respect your position more if you just admit that "Peter James and John said none of those 4 points, but those 4 points are indeed true for us in the Body of Christ".

Then I will agree with you, and we can finally close this discussion without you necessarily needing to agree with me that those 3 are not in the Body of Christ

 

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Define "circumcized little flock". And do so substantially.
That seems to be the important key to you. Yet it has been left rather ambiguous, vague.
The easiest position to defend is a vague one.

Spend a complete paragraph or more on "circumcized little flock" defining this crtical phrase of yours adaquately well.