Israel rabbis talking with their Messiah?

[HARK!]

From the article:

Editor’s note: This article is being republished because it generated so much interest when first published that we wanted to give readers who missed it a chance to consider this interesting topic.

Israeli Rabbi Says He's Already Holding Meetings With Messiah

Question for the Editor:

Republished from when?

 

[chad kincham]

How are the followers of Jesus not about Jesus?

Because you can’t say a passage about Jesus is about His followers.

If that’s how it worked, then Jesus and His followers died for the sins of the world.

And Jesus and His followers are born of a virgin.

 

[chad kincham]

You mean a gentile Christian? They got to make the rules and build the religion.

Last time I looked, we gentile Christians get our doctrine from the New Testament, written by Jewish apostles of the Jewish Messiah, Jesus.

The first church was the Jewish Christian church in Jerusalem, and it was the preeminent church for 70 years after Jesus rose from the dead.

I’d say that your claim about the gentiles making the rules and building the religion is not accurate.

 

[jgr]

Because you can’t say a passage about Jesus is about His followers.

If that’s how it worked, then Jesus and His followers died for the sins of the world.

And Jesus and His followers are born of a virgin.

The passage Galatians 3:16,28,29 is about Abraham, Jesus, and His followers.

 

[RickReads]

Doesn't Jesus return to the Mount of Olives?

Yes, see Zachariah 14.

 

[RickReads]

God is going to go back to dealing with them directly. We are truly in the last hour.

And did anyone here actually watch the 8 min video?

Watching it right now. Very interesting thx.

 

[Randy777]

You need to carefully read all of Romans 11 for the answer to your question.

The new covenant is still with the House of Israel - the same House of Israel Jesus originally came for, when He told the apostles to bypass the gentiles, for He was sent only to the House of Israel - and gentiles have to be grafted in by faith into their new covenant.

Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Heb 8:8 For he finds fault with them when he says: “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,

The house of Israel can be called a prodigal Son nation. Most of them, except a remnant, are in unbelief and are ungodly, and blinded in part, until Jesus returns, then all of Israel alive to see Him, will believe and be saved, per Romans 11.

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

The inward circumcision of the Spirit shows who are in the covenant Jesus introduced and the gentiles are heirs as well. To those that believed and accepted Jesus God gave the right that they become the children of God.
John 1
Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

Gal 3:29
If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise

I expect many in Israel will come to the truth in the time of the end through the signs given in Rev 11.
In coming to that truth they will become members of the body of Christ by faith.

God lead His chosen people out of Egypt yet many of them perished in the desert because of unbelief and disobedience. God made a distinction between the righteous and unrighteous even in Israel. No one is saved by heritage but those who believe in Jesus and do His Fathers will.

Man calls themselves many things but God states who are His children.
children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
And those who have been born of the Spirit are the only ones in the covenant relationship with God.
The only covenant that exists today in the one Jesus introduced by His blood which started with the house of Israel. And clearly the same message Jesus preached in Israel was sent to all nations. With that light comes accountability to all peoples not just those in Israel. Jesus said His house will be full. Many are invited but few are chosen.

Judaism more specifically rabbinic Judaism, (and the world calls such followers Jews), was cut off and set adrift a long time ago. They reject Christ Jesus. They rule by their own authority. And they teach the worst thing one of them could do is accept Jesus as Lord and savior. They claim a uniqueness
that no longer exists as they believe.
There is a testimony that better explains the absence of a High Priest on earth then what they believe.
The message of the gospels. Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

 

[BABerean2]

Except you missed where scripture says God gave a covenant to Abraham that he will be the father of many nations through his son Isaac, then Jacob,who became Israel, and that is also an unbreakable covenant.

Israel is still a covenant nation

You have replaced the one seed, with the many seeds in Galatians 3:16.
He is the ultimate fulfillment of Israel found in Matthew 1:1.
He is the seed of Abraham, and the seed of David.
The unbreakable covenant is not made with those who reject God's Son, as proven by 1 John 2:22-23, and 2 John 1:7-11. Those who do not have a relationship with the Son, do not have a relationship with God.

You are also ignoring what Paul said about genealogies in the scripture below.

1Ti_1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.


Tit_3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.



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[Berean Tim]

Who are His people?

Romans 11:2
God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.

Who are His people which he foreknew?

1 Peter 1:2
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

They are the elect.

Who are the elect?

Romans 11:5
Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

They are the remnant who are saved by grace through faith in Christ.

They are God's elect remnant people whom He foreknew and has not cast away.
But they are not the whole nation.
Hence the reason for Paul's sorrow (Romans 9:2).

Of course, the remnant "at this present" time are saved by grace through faith. They will never be saved any other way but faith in Jesus.
God will again turn his attention to the country of Israel. The 70th week of Daniel main purpose is to bring them back in a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ,
Romans 11: 28As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. 29For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

 

[Douggg]

From the article:

Editor’s note: This article is being republished because it generated so much interest when first published that we wanted to give readers who missed it a chance to consider this interesting topic.

Israeli Rabbi Says He's Already Holding Meetings With Messiah

Question for the Editor:

Republished from when?

Given that the rabbi is 92 years old and not in good health, I question his mental state of reality.

 

[timothyu]

Given that the rabbi is 92 years old and not in good health, I question his mental state of reality.

Not to mention their idea of a messiah is a human warrior or political figure acting in the ways of man. The system of man which acts in the same way as it's enemy will never resolve anything. Man has tried since the Garden but all has been temporary. Jesus did not follow the human system.

 

[BABerean2]

The 70th week of Daniel main purpose is to bring them back in a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ,
Romans 11: 28As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. 29For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

Based on Matthew 10:5-7, and Romans 1:16, and Galatians 1:14-18, the Gospel was taken "first" to Daniel's people for a period of about 7 years, before Paul took the Gospel to the Gentiles.
This was the 70th week of Daniel during the first century.

Paul starts Romans 11 with two different groups of Israelites, one a faithful "remnant", and another group of Baal worshippers in Romans 11:1-5. Paul was a part of the "remnant" in verse 5.

Paul ends the passage in the same way.
There are two groups in Romans 11:28.
One group of "they" are the enemies of God, because they have rejected the Gospel, and there is another group of "they" who are the Elect that have accepted Christ.

The Olive Tree of Romans 11 is a symbol of the New Covenant Church made up of both faithful Israelites, and faithful Gentiles, grafted together into the same tree.

There is no Plan B of salvation outside of the Church, found in the passage.


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[jgr]

Of course, the remnant "at this present" time are saved by grace through faith. They will never be saved any other way but faith in Jesus.
God will again turn his attention to the country of Israel. The 70th week of Daniel main purpose is to bring them back in a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ,
Romans 11: 28As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. 29For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

The gifts and the calling are terms associated exclusively with those who have put their faith in Christ.

Upon whom does God bestow His gifts?

Romans 12:6
Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;

1 Corinthians 12:1
Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.

1 Corinthians 12:4
Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.

1 Corinthians 12:9
To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;

1 Corinthians 12:28
And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

1 Corinthians 14:12
Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.

God's gifts were not, and are not, bestowed upon those of Paul's countrymen according to the flesh who are enemies of the gospel.
They are bestowed exclusively upon God's "all Israel" remnant of His Holy Chosen People: His Church.
To them, and to no others, His gifts are irrevocable (i.e. without repentance).


To whom is God's calling directed?

1 Corinthians 1:26
For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

1 Corinthians 7:20
Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.

Ephesians 1:18
The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

Ephesians 4:4
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

2 Thessalonians 1:11
Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:

2 Timothy 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

2 Peter 1:10
Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:


God's calling was not, and is not, directed to those of Paul's unbelieving countrymen according to the flesh, who are enemies of the gospel.
It is directed exclusively to God's "all Israel" remnant of His Holy Chosen People: His Church.
To them, and to no others, His calling is irrevocable (i.e. without repentance).

Under no conditions or circumstances are unbelievers, enemies of the gospel, ever the recipients of God's gifts and calling.

 

[Berean Tim]

Based on Matthew 10:5-7, and Romans 1:16, and Galatians 1:14-18, the Gospel was taken "first" to Daniel's people for a period of about 7 years, before Paul took the Gospel to the Gentiles.
This was the 70th week of Daniel during the first century.

Paul starts Romans 11 with two different groups of Israelites, one a faithful "remnant", and another group of Baal worshippers in Romans 11:1-5. Paul was a part of the "remnant" in verse 5.

Paul ends the passage in the same way.
There are two groups in Romans 11:28.
One group of "they" are the enemies of God, because they have rejected the Gospel, and there is another group of "they" who are the Elect that have accepted Christ.

The Olive Tree of Romans 11 is a symbol of the New Covenant Church made up of both faithful Israelites, and faithful Gentiles, grafted together into the same tree.

There is no Plan B of salvation outside of the Church, found in the passage.


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Was there a return of Christ after these 7 years ?

 

[BABerean2]

Was there a return of Christ after these 7 years ?

Where does the text of the Bible say Christ would return at the end of the 70 weeks?

Are you making an assumption based on modern Dispensational Theology?


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[Douggg]

Where does the text of the Bible say Christ would return at the end of the 70 weeks?

Are you making an assumption based on modern Dispensational Theology?


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23 At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

What vision? Daniel did not have a vision in Daniel 9. The vision that Daniel had that Gabriel had explained was earlier back in Daniel 8 was about the transgression of desolation by the little horn person, time of the end.

The little horn person will be destroyed by Jesus at His return, and the things that will have made the temple desolate namely, the beast, the false prophet, and the statue image of the beast incarnated by Satan, and Satan will be removed from the temple and temple mount.

 

[BABerean2]

23 At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

What vision? Daniel did not have a vision in Daniel 9. The vision that Daniel had that Gabriel had explained earlier back in Daniel 8 was about the transgression of desolation by the little horn person, time of the end.

The little horn person will be destroyed by Jesus at His return, and the things that will have made the temple desolate namely, the beast, the false prophet, and the statue image of the beast incarnated by Satan, and Satan will be removed from the temple and temple mount.

Once again, you are ignoring Hanukkah found in John 10:22.


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[Douggg]

Once again, you are ignoring Hanukkah found in John 10:22.


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once again you are bringing up an irrelevant point. The transgression of desolation vision Daniel had was said to be time of the end.

That vision is sealed from happening until the end times, when Jesus will return, and be anointed, placed as King of Israel by God, on His Holy Hill of Zion.

Psalms 2

1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,

3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

 

[Douggg]

Not to mention their idea of a messiah is a human warrior or political figure acting in the ways of man. The system of man which acts in the same way as it's enemy will never resolve anything. Man has tried since the Garden but all has been temporary. Jesus did not follow the human system.

In the article, one of the rabbi's said have you heard of Gog and Magog. Apparently the thinking is that their messiah would be made manifest following Gog/Magog.

In Daniel 8:9 the little horn person waxes strong south and east toward the promised land. Indicating to me that he will be entering the middle east with a strong army. In Daniel 8:23, the little horn "stands up" an idiom for prepares to go to war.

What I am certain will happen is that Gog/Magog will be on the brink, and the little horn person will stage his EU army in Greece, to deter the invasion. Whether the EU gets involved in actual combat, I am not sure, but probably not since God supernaturally destroys Gog's army.

In the aftermath the little horn will move his EU army into the middle east to act as peace keeper (and grab up all the oil territory for the EU).

The Jews will perceive his intent to fight in defending them as being a messianic sign and will believe that he is the messiah, given that many Jews are already leaning that the messiah and messianic age will be post Gog/Magog.

The 7 years in Ezekiel 39, following the destruction of Gog's army, are the 70th week of Daniel 9. We can know that with 100% certainty because in Ezekiel 39:17-20 is the Armageddon feast, and Jesus Himself speaking in the text Ezekiel 39:21-29 having returned to earth, to rule over the nations and to bring all the Jews back to Israel (Ezekiel 39:28).

 

[dqhall]

Matthew 24:3 (KJV) And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.