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Israel-Hamas ceasefire comes into effect in Gaza

Discussion in 'News & Current Events (Articles Required)' started by Supreme, Nov 21, 2012.

  1. Illuminaughty

    Illuminaughty Drift and Doubt

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    Do you have a link for that?
     
  2. Douger

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    I'm sorry, it was very incorrect of me to state that he "publicly announced". Big mistake on my part.

    But here are the links to several articles that mention Mr. Jabari's involvement in working towards a long term truce.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/17/opinion/israels-shortsighted-assassination.html?_r=0

    Not Safe For Work Corporation | The War Nerd: Lucian Truscott IV Is Four Times As Stupid As Israel

    Why Gaza? by Justin Raimondo -- Antiwar.com

    Jabari assassination brought Hamas negotiations to premature end | Scholars and Rogues

    Gershon Baskin, Israeli Activist, Explains Truce Plan Given To Ahmed Jabari Before Gaza War
     
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  3. Illuminaughty

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    Thanks.
     
  4. Panzerkamfwagen

    Panzerkamfwagen Es braust unser Panzer im Sturmwind dahin.

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    A large plurality of Palestinians don't want peace.

    I know this because they voted for Hamas, and the Hamas charter says so, too.
     
  5. Illuminaughty

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    Israel is currently occupying the occupied territories so I'm sure a good number of people won't cease hostilities permanently until that is rectified. They should just get it over it and implement the two state solution.
     
  6. Panzerkamfwagen

    Panzerkamfwagen Es braust unser Panzer im Sturmwind dahin.

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    And they actually pulled out of

    Well:

     
  7. Illuminaughty

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    The two state solution wasn't implemented yet. They are still rightly labeled "occupied territories". The Israeli government likes to say "disputed" rather than occupied but that's just semantics. Fact is the Palestinians do not have the national autonomy and sovereignty that real states have. Can they raise an army for example? Until they have real sovereignty the chances for long term peace are pretty low.
     
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  8. Illuminaughty

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    They may currently be Hamas's charter. The continuance of the occupation of the OT drives people toward violence. Palestinians might be more apt to elect a peaceful party (or alter the charter of Hamas) if they have justice.
     
  9. BlandOatmeal

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    In other news, the Zionist camp in Israel got a slight boost in the polls, despite widespread anger against Netanyahu for bowing to American pressure for an early ceasefire. US President Obama is also said to have promised the dispatch of American troops to bolster our force in Sinai.

    Other than that, HAMAS has cut back on the number of rocket attacks on Israeli civilians. Not much has changed in the area. Syria is still engaged in a bloody civil war that makes Gaza look like a picnic. Israel's next action could very well be in the north.

    Oh, as anyone noticed? Iran continues to enrich uranium, and to manufacture delivery systems.

    Shalom shalom :wave:
     
  10. interpreter

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    It won't last.
     
  11. bigbadwilf

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    I don't have a dog in this fight at all (I'm not Israeli, Palestinian, Jewish, Muslim or within 500 miles, the most recent trip that anyone in my family had to there was a great-uncle who was delayed in traffic while delivering some post to the King David Hotel in Jerusalem in 1946), but it does have to be said that if it was the intent of the IDF to wipe out the Gazans (as some have claimed) then they really did a terrible job of it.

    Think about it for a second, there were more than 1500 airstrikes, plus naval and land-based artillary bombardment over the space of several days and the total number of killed is of the order of 160.

    That works out as about ten airstrikes per fatality (civilian or millitant). That's absurdly low for avoiding all casualties. Let alone for one that's actually targetting the millitants and not just pulverising their infrastructure.
     
  12. BlandOatmeal

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    Finally, Wolf! Someone here who knows how to count!

    Perhaps Assad and his enemies could turn their own Muslim-on-Muslim war over to Israel. Here's the latest from there:

    The Western states and Arabs managed to get the Israelis to quit shooting after a few days. In Syria, this thing has been going on for 20 months, with no end in site.

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    Palestinian civilian in Hevron


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    Pyridine, 3-(1-methyl-2-pyrrolidinyl)-, (S)- (nicotine).

     
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  13. BlandOatmeal

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    Next front: Lebanon?


    Amazing! I thought those big, bad. brutal Israelis were beating up on those poor little fellers!
     
  14. BlandOatmeal

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    Again, It appears that those "brutal, bullying Israelis" got beaten up by the "underdog" Palestinians. What is wrong with this picture?
     
  15. BlandOatmeal

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    Here's a sensible analysis:

     
  16. freezerman2000

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    The "bully" only pulled back under pressure from the international front and someone doesn't know it-or chooses to over exagerate to make a cess pool smell like roses?
     
  17. BlandOatmeal

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    Hi, Freezer

    That same "bully" was also pulled INTO that mess by pressure from the international front. Lots of pulling is going on there, on all fronts. It's like a hideous game of chess, from Sudan to Iran and beyond. The latest I read in DEBKA has Israel, Egypt and the US in an unholy alliance against Iran, Syria and Russia, with other players, of course, on both sides, and Gaza sort of in the middle.

    Oh, I forgot. Did you have red roses in mind? or white? I see shades of 1485 lurking in the background.

    [​IMG]
     
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