ISLAM WILL DOMINATE THE WORLD

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I guess that we has been closing our ears to the truth.

He admits that some of his predictions do not come about.

Predictions of things to come are of interest to everybody, for without exception we like to peer through the veil of the future. Making predictions, or foretelling, is but one phase of the work of the prophet.

There are four passages of Scripture to keep in mind when talking about the prophet's predictions of things to come:

1. Secret things belong to God (Deut. 29:29).

2. God reveals secrets to the prophets (Amos 3:7).

3. Unfulfilled predictions made in the name of the Lord are presumptuous; fulfilled predictions demonstrate that the prophet was sent by the Lord (Jer. 28:9).

4. Some prophecies are conditional (Jer. 18: 7-10 ).

Prophets have been God's chosen spokesmen, and through them He has made known things to come. Hence it is but natural for men to watch with eager interest to see whether such predictions actually come to pass. A failure of fulfillment would obviously become a factor in acceptance or rejection of the one claiming to be a prophet.
 
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Things look bad for Christianity at present, because of the apostasy from the knowledge of God bought about in the West by wolves in sheep's clothing, who have infiltrated both the churches and the political establishment. Unless Christians get their house in order, I can well believe that Islam will come to dominate many western nations politically.

The whole of history tells us that Islam conquers by sheer weight of numbers, brute force, but not by any superiority of doctrine. Muslim immigration is a real danger; but failure to stand up to muslims, and mollycoddling them when they do arrive so that they breed faster, is also a massive danger.

Our politicians and judges are complete fools in this respect. Islam is not a genuine religion but a political invasion.
 
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Muslims on an individual basis are the same as everyone anywhere. As a general rule, they show more devoutness than your typical North American or European. Other than that they are as good as, bad as, charitable as, aggressive as, peaceful as, individuals from any other group of people.
We are all children of the same Eve, after all.

The important thing to note is that Islam itself is not just a different version of Christianity or Judaism, or even Buddhism, for that matter. It is an inherently political religion, modeled after the political religions that ruled its world at its founding, namely Byzantine Orthodoxy, and Persian Zoroastrianism. It is an inherently supremacist religion, with its own political legal system, an authoritarian form of governance, and rights of "citizenship", including mode of taxation, based on submission to the tenets of the politico-religious authorities.

America itself is based in the belief that we are all individuals who make our own individual choices. This would include Muslims or course. This is the same for Canadians too by the way, and Europeans, and Japanese, and anyone who has opted into the values of citizenship rights based on the equality of all citizens.
The Western form of civil society by its very character and beliefs accepts the truth that Muslims too are individuals and ought to be treated as such. Recognizing the primacy of the individual means not discriminating on more superficial qualities not inherent to who the individual is such as creed or color or religion.
What is missing in the West today is the self-confidence to assert that to become a member of Western societies one must first affirm that basic values are shared by those who seek out to become citizens. To accept supramacist values that are contrary to individual rights, in the name of individual rights, is the kind of moral insanity that only cultures that lack any kind of self confidence or sense of self worth engage in.
Personal experience with Muslims teaches us that, like anyone else, they are individuals. As individuals, they are more than capable of rejecting the values of the theocratic Islamist societies that they come from and accepting the Western values of our own societies.
That can never happen however, to the extent that we are rejecting our own, either our of liberal guilt that typifies our dominant culture, or the self-righteous disdain that typifies the contempt for the libertine culture as expressed by the religious counter-culture of our post-christian world.
Decadence, after all, is not what our societies are uniquely about. Decadence is what all societies since the Fall. Rejection of western values on account of decadence will not change a thing.
Islam is fundamentally weak. It is an archaic system, no more suited to modern systems that would be Byzantine Orthodoxy, or Zoroastrian Persia, or the Papo-romanism of the medieval church.
These are all defunct systems of governance.
The only reason that Islamist would come to dominate the world again therefore, is if Western civilization stops believing in itself.
That has nothing to do with Muslims and who they are, and everything to do with who we are.
 
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To accept supramacist values that are contrary to individual rights, in the name of individual rights, is the kind of moral insanity that only cultures that lack any kind of self confidence or sense of self worth engage in.
Well that's what's happening all the time with Islam. A crackpot religion based on some ancient pagan warlord in a nation with a history of ba'al worship is, whereever Islam is now in the West, made to be respected. That is acknowledgement of its supremacy. If it wasn't supreme it wouldn't be respected. It is respected in schools, in the media, even in churches, where "interfaith" services are held. This is acceptance of the political supremacy of Islam, because it has no natural moral supremacy or any moral authority at all. It is people like Obama, and judges who equate Islam with religion, who are determined to make it a religion where it is not a religion. Belief in God is not of itself a religion. Islam does not qualify just because it proclaims a god.

You are confounding individuals with Islam. Islam is a heresy, it is ancient ba'al worship codified in a Koran. It has appalling moral standards, and worse conceptions of God, which only seem acceptable because the standards of society are anyway so low. It is just a code of conduct ultimately, like any chivalric code.

Muslims will never reject Islam, because it is illegal politically. It is against their law to convert. If they convert they risk being killed. Islam is that evil that no-one is even allowed to change their adherence to it. It is a political cult. A political cult is not a religion except in a debased sense. It deserves no-one's respect.
 
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The whole of history tells us that Islam conquers by sheer weight of numbers, brute force, but not by any superiority of doctrine. Muslim immigration is a real danger;
Let's suppose that your characterization of how Islam spreads is correct. Even then, it is painfully obvious that the answer is not a blanket ban of immigration from Muslim countries - many hapless, innocent refugees will be denied entry as well.

Clearly, the only workable solution is to encourage a "reformation" within Islam - to assist those within the Islamic world who seek to expunge harmful ideas from the faith. By contrast, an immigration ban will solve nothing precisely because while borders can stop people, they cannot stop ideas.
 
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You are confounding individuals with Islam. .....
That is exactly what I am NOT doing.
I am doing exactly the opposite of that. If that is what you understood from my little post, I would suggest a reread.
 
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..... when they do arrive so that they breed faster, is also a massive danger.
This is the language of demonization - whether you are doing so intentionally or not, you are dehumanizing Muslims: the term "breed" clearly appeals to our innate fear of "breeding" rats, insects, etc.

This is why this issue is so important - there is a persistent streak of dehumanizing racism and xenophobia bubbling under the surface of the support for the ban (and the wall, for that matter).
 
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Clearly, the only workable solution is to encourage a "reformation" within Islam - to assist those within the Islamic world who seek to expunge harmful ideas from the faith.


To accomplish this you would have to do away with the Koran and shari law.
 
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To accomplish this you would have to do away with the Koran and shari law.
Well, not so sure about that, at least with respect to the Koran.

Consider the Old Testament. In several books, we have God ordering genocides and other horrifying things. Do we do these things as modern Christians? On the whole, we do not precisely because we have developed a way of thinking about the Old Testament that enables to us to respect it generally without, of course, doing all that genocide stuff.

I imagine the same could be done re the Koran.
 
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Well, not so sure about that, at least with respect to the Koran.

Consider the Old Testament. In several books, we have God ordering genocides and other horrifying things. Do we do these things as modern Christians? On the whole, we do not precisely because we have developed a way of thinking about the Old Testament that enables to us to respect it generally without, of course, doing all that genocide stuff.

I imagine the same could be done re the Koran.

God vs Koran

God knew the hearts of those folks were evil and they would not repent.

Koran only wants to be a god and rule the world, sounds like Satan's ambition to me.

Just bow down and worship me. Satan said

Koran, if you do not worship like us you are dead.
 
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This is the language of demonization - whether you are doing so intentionally or not, you are dehumanizing Muslims: the term "breed" clearly appeals to our innate fear of "breeding" rats, insects, etc.
Demonization is acceptable vis-a-vis Islam. In fact I strongly suspect the Christian orthodoxy of anyone who does not regard Islam as of the devil.

Rev 9;1 "The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. 2 When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss. 3 And out of the smoke locusts came down on the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth."

I am not however dehumanizing muslims. Demonization is a feature of humanity, not animals. Breeding is what muslims are very good at. That is why we should fear them, as we fear any plague. Look into history and you will find that whenever Islam has prevailed, it has prevailed through sheer weight of numbers alone.
 
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I am not however dehumanizing muslims.
Really? Well, you just did it again, and most obviously:

Breeding is what muslims are very good at. That is why we should fear them, as we fear any plague.
You may not even realize what you are doing but it has been done before: The devastating Nazi propaganda film The Eternal Jew went so far as to compared Jews to plague carrying rats, a foreshadow of things to come.

Hitler characterized Jews as a "plague"; you characterize Muslims using the same demonizing term.

I am astonished you do not realize what you are doing. It is not a coincidence that you use the word "breed" rather than "reproduce"!

Humans reproduce, vermin and other undesirable animals breed - this is simply how language works; words matter and no matter how loudly you protest, your words show a clear bent to characterizing Muslims as less than human.
 
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Demonization is acceptable vis-a-vis Islam. In fact I strongly suspect the Christian orthodoxy of anyone who does not regard Islam as of the devil.

Rev 9;1 "The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss.......
History, sadly is replete with examples of movements which appeal to vague, untestable, "religious" and other nebulous ideas to justify persecution of "the other". From Jacob Bronowski as he contemplates the crematorium at Auschwitz:

It's said that science will dehumanize people and turn them into numbers. That's false, tragically false. Look for yourself. This is the concentration camp and crematorium at Auschwitz. This is where people were turned into numbers. Into this pond were flushed the ashes of some four million people. And that was not done by gas. It was done by arrogance, it was done by dogma, it was done by ignorance. When people believe that they have absolute knowledge, with no test in reality, this is how they behave. This is what men do when they aspire to the knowledge of gods.
 
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History, sadly is replete with examples of movements which appeal to vague, untestable, "religious" and other nebulous ideas to justify persecution of "the other". From Jacob Bronowski as he contemplates the crematorium at Auschwitz:
The atheist Jew has a hard time explaining the holocaust, I'll agree. Actually it was the result of lying propaganda and malice directed towards a people who could not defend themselves, and the absence of any viable judicial system. It had nothing to do with belief in God or gods, albeit the jews never helped themselves by trusting to their traditions of despising Christ, who did not step in to protect them, nor was necessarily exalted by their martyrdom, but it did have something to do with lack of belief in God on the part of the pagan persecutors.

It is ironic that Jacob Bronowski should invoke "gods" in connection with a persecution that was devoid of any reference to gods from first to last. Neither Hitler nor most of his Nazi cronies believed in gods, but only themselves.

By making out that Christians are on a par with the perpetrators of the holocaust, you disclose yourself to be no knowledgable Christian. I really can't see the point you're trying to make. The curtailment of freedom of speech on the part of Christains seems to be your main gripe. Too bad. Try engaging with the immorality of the Koran first before claiming that it is not demonic. Demonic only means based in self-deception, delusion or lies. It means the one subject is not properly in control of their mind, or their faculties.
 
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That's what they are telling us will happen. Why do we keep ignoring them?

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Very soon Satan himself will appear on Earth looking just like Jesus but he will claim to be Isa, the Muslim name for Jesus and will say the Muslims are right and the Christians are wrong. He will also appear with superior technology that people will assume is of extraterrestrial origin. Most Christian's will believe this delusion which will cause the great falling away. Satan will then select the Muslim Mahdi as the new ruler of the World, in accordance with the Quranic and Biblical prophesy but this will really be the Anti-Christ. He will then force Sharia law on the whole world. The real Jesus will return seven years after this event.
 
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Very soon Satan himself will appear on Earth looking just like Jesus but he will claim to be Isa, the Muslim name for Jesus and will say the Muslims are right and the Christians are wrong. He will also appear with superior technology that people will assume is of extraterrestrial origin. Most Christian's will believe this delusion which will cause the great falling away. Satan will then select the Muslim Mahdi as the new ruler of the World, in accordance with the Quranic and Biblical prophesy but this will really be the Anti-Christ. He will then force Sharia law on the whole world. The real Jesus will return seven years after this event.
No crop circles?
 
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I really can't see the point you're trying to make.
My point is that you are using hurtful, un-constructive, unnecessary demonizing language to describe Muslims.

You can express your concerns about the content of Islamic doctrine without - and let's be clear: you are clearly doing this - implicitly comparing human beings (who happen to be Muslims) to vermin, insects, and germs.
 
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