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Is Your Prayer Language Fraudulent?

Discussion in 'Spirit-Filled / Charismatic' started by ByTheSpirit, Oct 12, 2019.

  1. Daniel Marsh

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    Prime the Pump - Tony Evans
    Tony Evans - Official Site › prime-the-pump
    An article by Dr. Tony Evans on how giving to others in our horizontal relationship with them is a method of priming the pump of God's vertical blessings in our ...
     
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    I simply quoted you word for word and highlighted the logic error.

    This is your funky thinking, "If something that does not exist is immated, then it must exist. "
    ME: Controfiting a three dollar bill does not prove that three dollar bills in the USA ever existed.
     
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    No you only read your opinions into scripture. And, I am not convinced by eisegesis.

    Romans 8:26 is not about speaking in unknown languages. In 1611, the word tongue as today also means physical tongue, and language.

    scroll down and over to the word language Cotgrave's 1611 French/English Dictionary

    Definition of tongue (Entry 1 of 3)
    1a: a fleshy movable muscular process of the floor of the mouths of most vertebrates that bears sensory end organs and small glands and functions especially in taking and swallowing food and in humans as a speech organ
    b: a part of various invertebrate animals that is analogous to the tongue
    2: the flesh of a tongue (as of the ox or sheep) used as food
    3a: LANGUAGE
    especially : a spoken language

    b: manner or quality of utterance with respect to tone or sound, the sense of what is expressed, or the intention of the speaker
    she has a clever tongue
    a sharp tongue
    c: ecstatic, typically unintelligible utterance occurring especially in a moment of religious excitation —usually plural
    It would be like the miracle described in the Acts of the Apostles, demonstrated with healing, speaking in tongues and other signs and wonders.
    — Dan Wakefield
    … where they can sing and shriek and talk in tongues and testify and have a part.
    — Jane Kramer
    d: the cry of or as if of a hound pursuing or in sight of game —used especially in the phrase to give tongue
    4: the power of communication through speech
    5: a tapering flame
    tongues of fire
    6: something resembling an animal's tongue in being elongated and fastened at one end only: such as
    a: the flap under the lacing or buckles of a shoe at the throat of the vamp
    b: a movable pin in a buckle
    c: a metal ball suspended inside a bell so as to strike against the sides as the bell is swung
    d: the pole (see POLE entry 1 sense 1b) of a vehicle (such as a wagon)
    7a: the rib on one edge of a board that fits into a corresponding groove in an edge of another board to make a flush joint
    b: FEATHER sense 4
    8: a long narrow strip of land projecting into a body of water
    Definition of TONGUE
     
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    It was not a logical error and your representation is incorrect, however your response actually IS illogical.
     
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    1 Corinthians 12:1-15 Contemporary English Version (CEV)
    Spiritual Gifts
    12 My friends, you asked me about spiritual gifts. 2 I want you to remember that before you became followers of the Lord, you were led in all the wrong ways by idols that cannot even talk. 3 Now I want you to know that if you are led by God’s Spirit, you will say that Jesus is Lord, and you will never curse Jesus.

    4 There are different kinds of spiritual gifts, but they all come from the same Spirit. 5 There are different ways to serve the same Lord, 6 and we can each do different things. Yet the same God works in all of us and helps us in everything we do.

    7 The Spirit has given each of us a special way of serving others. 8 Some of us can speak with wisdom, while others can speak with knowledge, but these gifts come from the same Spirit. 9 To others the Spirit has given great faith or the power to heal the sick 10 or the power to work mighty miracles. Some of us are prophets, and some of us recognize when God’s Spirit is present.[a] Others can speak different kinds of languages, and still others can tell what these languages mean. 11 But it is the Spirit who does all this and decides which gifts to give to each of us.

    One Body with Many Parts
    12 The body of Christ has many different parts, just as any other body does. 13 Some of us are Jews, and others are Gentiles. Some of us are slaves, and others are free. But God’s Spirit baptized each of us and made us part of the body of Christ. Now we each drink from that same Spirit.

    14 Our bodies don’t have just one part. They have many parts. 15 Suppose a foot says, “I’m not a hand, and so I’m not part of the body.” Wouldn’t the foot still belong to the body? 16 Or suppose an ear says, “I’m not an eye, and so I’m not part of the body.” Wouldn’t the ear still belong to the body? 17 If our bodies were only an eye, we couldn’t hear a thing. And if they were only an ear, we couldn’t smell a thing. 18 But God has put all parts of our body together in the way that he decided is best.

    19 A body isn’t really a body, unless there is more than one part. 20 It takes many parts to make a single body. 21 That’s why the eyes cannot say they don’t need the hands. That’s also why the head cannot say it doesn’t need the feet. 22 In fact, we cannot get along without the parts of the body that seem to be the weakest. 23 We take special care to dress up some parts of our bodies. We are modest about our personal parts, 24 but we don’t have to be modest about other parts.

    God put our bodies together in such a way that even the parts that seem the least important are valuable. 25 He did this to make all parts of the body work together smoothly, with each part caring about the others. 26 If one part of our body hurts, we hurt all over. If one part of our body is honored, the whole body will be happy.

    27 Together you are the body of Christ. Each one of you is part of his body. 28 First, God chose some people to be apostles and prophets and teachers for the church. But he also chose some to work miracles or heal the sick or help others or be leaders or speak different kinds of languages. 29 Not everyone is an apostle. Not everyone is a prophet. Not everyone is a teacher. Not everyone can work miracles. 30 Not everyone can heal the sick. Not everyone can speak different kinds of languages. Not everyone can tell what these languages mean. 31 I want you to desire the best gifts.[c] So I will show you a much better way.

    Love
    13 What if I could speak
    all languages
    of humans
    and of angels?
    If I did not love others,
    I would be nothing more
    than a noisy gong
    or a clanging cymbal.
    2 What if I could prophesy
    and understand all secrets
    and all knowledge?
    And what if I had faith
    that moved mountains?
    I would be nothing,
    unless I loved others.
    3 What if I gave away all
    that I owned
    and let myself
    be burned alive?[d]
    I would gain nothing,
    unless I loved others.
    4 Love is kind and patient,
    never jealous, boastful,
    proud, or 5 rude.
    Love isn’t selfish
    or quick tempered.
    It doesn’t keep a record
    of wrongs that others do.
    6 Love rejoices in the truth,
    but not in evil.
    7 Love is always supportive,
    loyal, hopeful,
    and trusting.
    8 Love never fails!

    Everyone who prophesies
    will stop,
    and unknown languages
    will no longer
    be spoken.
    All that we know
    will be forgotten.
    9 We don’t know everything,
    and our prophecies
    are not complete.
    10 But what is perfect
    will someday appear,
    and what isn’t perfect
    will then disappear.

    11 When we were children,
    we thought and reasoned
    as children do.
    But when we grew up,
    we quit our childish ways.
    12 Now all we can see of God
    is like a cloudy picture
    in a mirror.
    Later we will see him
    face to face.
    We don’t know everything,
    but then we will,
    just as God completely
    understands us.
    13 For now there are faith,
    hope, and love.
    But of these three,
    the greatest is love.

    Speaking Unknown languages and Prophesying
    14 Love should be your guide. Be eager to have the gifts that come from the Holy Spirit, especially the gift of prophecy. 2 If you speak languages that others don’t know, God will understand what you are saying, though no one else will know what you mean. You will be talking about mysteries that only the Spirit understands. 3 But when you prophesy, you will be understood, and others will be helped. They will be encouraged and made to feel better.

    4 By speaking languages that others don’t know, you help only yourself. But by prophesying you help everyone in the church. 5 I am glad for you to speak unknown languages, although I had rather for you to prophesy. In fact, prophesying does much more good than speaking unknown languages, unless someone can help the church by explaining what you mean.

    6 My friends, what good would it do, if I came and spoke unknown languages to you and didn’t explain what I meant? How would I help you, unless I told you what God had shown me or gave you some knowledge or prophecy or teaching? 7 If all musical instruments sounded alike, how would you know the difference between a flute and a harp? 8 If a bugle call isn’t clear, how would you know to get ready for battle?

    9 That’s how it is when you speak unknown languages. If no one can understand what you are talking about, you will only be talking to the wind. 10 There are many different languages in this world, and all of them make sense. 11 But if I don’t understand the language that someone is using, we will be like foreigners to each other. 12 If you really want spiritual gifts, choose the ones that will be most helpful to the church.

    13 When we speak languages that others don’t know, we should pray for the power to explain what we mean. 14 For example, if I use an unknown language in my prayers, my spirit prays but my mind is useless. 15 Then what should I do? There are times when I should pray with my spirit, and times when I should pray with my mind. Sometimes I should sing with my spirit, and at other times I should sing with my mind.

    16 Suppose some strangers are in your worship service, when you are praising God with your spirit. If they don’t understand you, how will they know to say, “Amen”? 17 You may be worshiping God in a wonderful way, but no one else will be helped. 18 I thank God that I speak unknown languages more than any of you. 19 But words that make sense can help the church. That’s why in church I had rather speak five words that make sense than to speak ten thousand words in a language that others don’t know.

    20 My friends, stop thinking like children. Think like mature people and be as innocent as tiny babies. 21 In the Scriptures the Lord says,

    “I will use strangers
    who speak unknown languages
    to talk to my people.
    They will speak to them
    in foreign languages,
    but still my people
    won’t listen to me.”

    22 languages that others don’t know may mean something to unbelievers, but not to the Lord’s followers. Prophecy, on the other hand, is for followers, not for unbelievers. 23 Suppose everyone in your worship service started speaking unknown languages, and some outsiders or some unbelievers come in. Won’t they think you are crazy? 24 But suppose all of you are prophesying when those unbelievers and outsiders come in. They will realize that they are sinners, and they will want to change their ways because of what you are saying. 25 They will tell what is hidden in their hearts. Then they will kneel down and say to God, “We are certain that you are with these people.”

    Worship Must Be Orderly
    26 My friends, when you meet to worship, you must do everything for the good of everyone there. That’s how it should be when someone sings or teaches or tells what God has said or speaks an unknown language or explains what the language means. 27 No more than two or three of you should speak unknown languages during the meeting. You must take turns, and someone should always be there to explain what you mean. 28 If no one can explain, you must keep silent in church and speak only to yourself and to God.

    29 Two or three persons may prophesy, and everyone else must listen carefully. 30 If someone sitting there receives a message from God, the speaker must stop and let the other person speak. 31 Let only one person speak at a time, then all of you will learn something and be encouraged. 32 A prophet should be willing to stop and let someone else speak. 33 God wants everything to be done peacefully and in order.

    When God’s people meet in church, 34 the women must not be allowed to speak. They must keep quiet and listen, as the Law of Moses teaches. 35 If there is something they want to know, they can ask their husbands when they get home. It is disgraceful for women to speak in church. 36 God’s message did not start with you people, and you are not the only ones it has reached.

    37 If you think of yourself as a prophet or a spiritual person, you will know that I am writing only what the Lord has commanded. 38 So don’t pay attention to anyone who ignores what I am writing. 39 My friends, be eager to prophesy and don’t stop anyone from speaking languages that others don’t know. 40 But do everything properly and in order.

    Christ Was Raised to Life
    15 My friends, I want you to remember the message that I preached and that you believed and trusted.
     
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    Acts 2 Contemporary English Version (CEV)
    The Coming of the Holy Spirit
    2 On the day of Pentecost[a] all the Lord’s followers were together in one place. 2 Suddenly there was a noise from heaven like the sound of a mighty wind! It filled the house where they were meeting. 3 Then they saw what looked like fiery tongues moving in all directions, and a tongue came and settled on each person there. 4 The Holy Spirit took control of everyone, and they began speaking whatever languages the Spirit let them speak.

    5 Many religious Jews from every country in the world were living in Jerusalem. 6 And when they heard this noise, a crowd gathered. But they were surprised, because they were hearing everything in their own languages. 7 They were excited and amazed, and said:

    Don’t all these who are speaking come from Galilee? 8 Then why do we hear them speaking our very own languages? 9 Some of us are from Parthia, Media, and Elam. Others are from Mesopotamia, Judea, Cappadocia, Pontus, Asia, 10 Phrygia, Pamphylia, Egypt, parts of Libya near Cyrene, Rome, 11 Crete, and Arabia. Some of us were born Jews, and others of us have chosen to be Jews. Yet we all hear them using our own languages to tell the wonderful things God has done.

    12 Everyone was excited and confused. Some of them even kept asking each other, “What does all this mean?”

    13 Others made fun of the Lord’s followers and said, “They are drunk.”
     
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    Mark 16:17Everyone who believes me will be able to do wonderful things. By using my name they will force out demons, and they will speak new languages.
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    Acts 1:19When the people of Jerusalem found out about this, they called the place Akeldama, which in the local language means “Field of Blood.”
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    Acts 2:4The Holy Spirit took control of everyone, and they began speaking whatever languages the Spirit let them speak.
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    Acts 2:6And when they heard this noise, a crowd gathered. But they were surprised, because they were hearing everything in their own languages.
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    Acts 2:8Then why do we hear them speaking our very own languages?
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    Acts 2:11Crete, and Arabia. Some of us were born Jews, and others of us have chosen to be Jews. Yet we all hear them using our own languages to tell the wonderful things God has done.
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    Acts 10:46Now they were hearing Gentiles speaking unknown languages and praising God. Peter said,
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    Acts 14:11When the crowd saw what Paul had done, they yelled out in the language of Lycaonia, “The gods have turned into humans and have come down to us!”
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    Acts 19:6Then Paul placed his hands on them. The Holy Spirit was given to them, and they spoke unknown languages and prophesied.
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    1 Corinthians 12:10or the power to work mighty miracles. Some of us are prophets, and some of us recognize when God’s Spirit is present. Others can speak different kinds of languages, and still others can tell what these languages mean.
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    1 Corinthians 12:28First, God chose some people to be apostles and prophets and teachers for the church. But he also chose some to work miracles or heal the sick or help others or be leaders or speak different kinds of languages.
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    1 Corinthians 12:30Not everyone can heal the sick. Not everyone can speak different kinds of languages. Not everyone can tell what these languages mean.
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    1 Corinthians 13:1[ Love ] What if I could speak all languages of humans and of angels? If I did not love others, I would be nothing more than a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.
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    1 Corinthians 13:8Love never fails! Everyone who prophesies will stop, and unknown languages will no longer be spoken. All that we know will be forgotten.
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    1 Corinthians 14:1[ Speaking Unknown languages and Prophesying ] Love should be your guide. Be eager to have the gifts that come from the Holy Spirit, especially the gift of prophecy.
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    1 Corinthians 14:2If you speak languages that others don’t know, God will understand what you are saying, though no one else will know what you mean. You will be talking about mysteries that only the Spirit understands.
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    1 Corinthians 14:4By speaking languages that others don’t know, you help only yourself. But by prophesying you help everyone in the church.
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    1 Corinthians 14:5I am glad for you to speak unknown languages, although I had rather for you to prophesy. In fact, prophesying does much more good than speaking unknown languages, unless someone can help the church by explaining what you mean.
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    1 Corinthians 14:6My friends, what good would it do, if I came and spoke unknown languages to you and didn’t explain what I meant? How would I help you, unless I told you what God had shown me or gave you some knowledge or prophecy or teaching?
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    1 Corinthians 14:9That’s how it is when you speak unknown languages. If no one can understand what you are talking about, you will only be talking to the wind.
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    1 Corinthians 14:10There are many different languages in this world, and all of them make sense.
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    1 Corinthians 14:11But if I don’t understand the language that someone is using, we will be like foreigners to each other.
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    1 Corinthians 14:13When we speak languages that others don’t know, we should pray for the power to explain what we mean.
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    1 Corinthians 14:14For example, if I use an unknown language in my prayers, my spirit prays but my mind is useless.
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    1 Corinthians 14:18I thank God that I speak unknown languages more than any of you.
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    1 Corinthians 14:19But words that make sense can help the church. That’s why in church I had rather speak five words that make sense than to speak ten thousand words in a language that others don’t know.
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    1 Corinthians 14:21In the Scriptures the Lord says, “I will use strangers who speak unknown languages to talk to my people. They will speak to them in foreign languages, but still my people won’t listen to me.”
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    1 Corinthians 14:22languages that others don’t know may mean something to unbelievers, but not to the Lord’s followers. Prophecy, on the other hand, is for followers, not for unbelievers.
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    1 Corinthians 14:23Suppose everyone in your worship service started speaking unknown languages, and some outsiders or some unbelievers come in. Won’t they think you are crazy?
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    1 Corinthians 14:26[ Worship Must Be Orderly ] My friends, when you meet to worship, you must do everything for the good of everyone there. That’s how it should be when someone sings or teaches or tells what God has said or speaks an unknown language or explains what the language means.
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    1 Corinthians 14:27No more than two or three of you should speak unknown languages during the meeting. You must take turns, and someone should always be there to explain what you mean.
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    1 Corinthians 14:39My friends, be eager to prophesy and don’t stop anyone from speaking languages that others don’t know.
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    Titus 2:8Use clean language that no one can criticize. Do this, and your enemies will be too ashamed to say anything against you.
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    1 John 4:5These enemies belong to this world, and the world listens to them, because they speak its language.
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    Revelation 5:9Then they sang a new song, “You are worthy to receive the scroll and open its seals, because you were killed. And with your own blood you bought for God people from every tribe, language, nation, and race.
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    Revelation 7:9[ People from Every Nation ] After this, I saw a large crowd with more people than could be counted. They were from every race, tribe, nation, and language, and they stood before the throne and before the Lamb. They wore white robes and held palm branches in their hands,
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    Revelation 10:11Then some voices said, “Keep on telling what will happen to the people of many nations, races, and languages, and also to kings.”
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    Revelation 11:9For three and a half days the people of every nation, tribe, language, and race will stare at the bodies of these two witnesses and refuse to let them be buried.
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    Revelation 13:7It was allowed to fight against God’s people and defeat them. It was also given authority over the people of every tribe, nation, language, and race.
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    Revelation 14:6[ The Messages of the Three Angels ] I saw another angel. This one was flying across the sky and had the eternal good news to announce to the people of every race, tribe, language, and nation on earth.
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    Revelation 17:15The oceans that you saw the prostitute sitting on are crowds of people from all races and languages.
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    Tongue
    tung: Almost invariably for either lashon, or glossa the latter word with the cognates heteroglossos, "of strange tongues" (1Co 14:21), glossodes, "talkative," English Versions of the Bible "full of tongue" (Sirach 8:3; 9:18), glossotomeo, "to cut out the tongue" (2 Macc 7:4), diglossos, "double-tongued" (Sirach 5:9; 28:13). In 1 Tim 3:8, however, "double-tongued" is for dilogos, literally, "two-worded." Where "tongue" in the King James Version translates dialektos (Ac 1:19; 2:8; 21:40; 22:2; 26:14), the Revised Version (British and American) has "language," while for the King James Version "in the Hebrew tongue" in Joh 5:2; Re 9:11; 16:16 (Hebraisti) the Revised Version (British and American) has simply "in Hebrew." In addition, in the Old Testament and Apocrypha, the King James Version uses "to hold one's tongue" as a translation for various verbs meaning "to be silent"; the Revised Version (British and American) in the Old Testament writes "to hold one's peace" and in the Apocrypha "to be silent," except in Sirach 32:8, where the King James Version is retained (siopao).

    ⇒See a list of verses on TONGUE in the Bible.

    The various uses of "tongue" in English are all possible also for lashon and glossa, whether as the physical organ (Ex 11:7; Mr 7:33, etc.) or as meaning "language" (Ge 10:5; Ac 2:4, etc.) or as describing anything shaped like a tongue (Isa 11:15; Ac 2:3, etc.). In addition, both words, especially lashon appear in a wider range of meanings than can be taken by "tongue" in modern English. So the tongue appears as the specific organ of speech, where we should prefer "mouth" or "lips" (Ex 4:10; Ps 71:24; 78:36; Pr 16:1; Php 2:11, etc.), and hence, "tongue" is used figuratively for the words uttered (Job 6:30; Ps 139:4; 1Jo 3:18, etc.). So the tongue can be said to have moral qualities (Ps 109:2; Pr 15:4, etc.) or to be "glad" (Ac 2:26); to "love with the tongue" (1Jo 3:18) is to love in word only, and to be "double-tongued" (Sirach 5:9; 28:13; 1Ti 3:8 is to be a liar. A further expansion of this figurative use has produced expressions that sound slightly bizarre in English, although their meaning is clear enough: e.g., "Who have whet their tongue like a sword" (Ps 64:3); "His tongue is as a devouring fire" (Isa 30:27); "My tongue is the pen of a ready writer" (Ps 45:1), and, especially, "Their tongue walketh through the earth" (Ps 73:9).

    In Job 20:12, "Though wickedness be sweet in his mouth, though he hide it under his tongue," the figure is that of an uncultured man rolling a choice morsel around in his mouth so as to extract the utmost flavor. In Ps 10:7; 66:17 (Revised Version margin), however "under the tongue" means "in readiness to utter," while in Song 4:11, "Honey and milk are under thy tongue," the pleasure of a caress is described. To "divide their tongue" (Ps 55:9) is to visit on offenders the punishment of Babel.
    Tongue in the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia.
     
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    It kinda feels like someone is over-compensating...
     
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    Ephesians 4:7-12 Common English Bible (CEB)
    7 God has given his grace to each one of us measured out by the gift that is given by Christ. 8 That’s why scripture says, When he climbed up to the heights, he captured prisoners, and he gave gifts to people.[a]

    9 What does the phrase “he climbed up” mean if it doesn’t mean that he had first gone down into the lower regions, the earth? 10 The one who went down is the same one who climbed up above all the heavens so that he might fill everything.

    11 He gave some apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers. 12 His purpose was to equip God’s people for the work of serving and building up the body of Christ
     
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    He obviously had a bad experience with this subject. Let him rant, for that is what he is doing. All these forums have people with bad experiences with tongues. We won't ease their qualms with all our postings. :)
     
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    It is best to post the evidence or texts. Which have we not discussed?
     
  15. topher694

    topher694 Go Turtle!

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    Beating a dead horse also comes to mind
     
  16. Daniel Marsh

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    I find the priming the pump thing as disproving people in a specific church is speaking real unknown languages.

    My first language was Hebrew. I have often heard those who do not know what Hebrew sounds like claim they have heard Hebrew spoken in a service that I was at. I did not bother to correct them since it would be a waste of time. I did invite them to join me at Temple, so they could hear Hebrew for themselves.
     
  17. Daniel Marsh

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    The Chaos I have witnessed in Charismatic Pentecostal groups is not of God.

    1 Corinthians 14:33God wants everything to be done peacefully and in order. When God’s people meet in church,

    Matthew 6:5-14 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
    Jesus Teaches About Prayer
    5 “When you pray, don’t be like the hypocrites. They love to stand in the synagogues and on the street corners and pray loudly. They want people to see them. The truth is, that’s all the reward they will get. 6 But when you pray, you should go into your room and close the door. Then pray to your Father. He is there in that private place. He can see what is done in private, and he will reward you.

    7 “And when you pray, don’t be like the people who don’t know God. They say the same things again and again. They think that if they say it enough, their god will hear them. 8 Don’t be like them. Your Father knows what you need before you ask him. 9 So this is how you should pray:

    ‘Our Father in heaven,
    we pray that your name will always be kept holy.
    10 We pray that your kingdom will come—
    that what you want will be done here on earth, the same as in heaven.
    11 Give us the food we need for today.
    12 Forgive our sins,
    just as we have forgiven those who did wrong to us.
    13 Don’t let us be tempted,
    but save us from the Evil One.’[a]

    14 Yes, if you forgive others for the wrongs they do to you, then your Father in heaven will also forgive your wrongs.
     
  18. Daniel Marsh

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    other things I have noticed is that the "interpretation" is unexceptional, and does not match the length of the unknown language spoken.
     
  19. topher694

    topher694 Go Turtle!

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    This seems like it is borderline violating the rules of this particular forum.
     
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