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Is trump representing the Christian vote pushing Americans away from the church?

Discussion in 'General Politics' started by Davist, Jan 12, 2021.

  1. Albion

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    Not exactly. I lost interest when I saw that I was having to wade through a bunch of gratuitous political propaganda in order to get to your premise.
     
  2. Redwingfan9

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    You do have an alternative. You can either sit the race out because Trump and Biden are both disqualified from high office from a Christian perspective or you can vote third party as a protest vote.
     
  3. Hazelelponi

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    Or... you could vote for the fallen, sinful man (like we all are, unless you believe your Christ in the flesh), who will actually forward policies that actually do something toward keeping our constitutional freedoms...

    Let's face it, to the left anyone the right votes in as president is Satan in the flesh - and Trump far outshone in policy anyone the globalist right wanted in, as he'd actually get something tangible done outside of bowing at the feet of their masters while talking a good game to placate the average voter they see (and treat) as little more than useful idiots.

    As such, he was worth the chance and I did vote for him again, to which I have nothing to be ashamed of.

    People can thank me later for the Supreme Court appointments and other benefits to Trump holding office. Don't worry, I'm not holding my breath.
     
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  4. Redwingfan9

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    The idea that we must toss aside Biblical morality and vote for whatever heathen is put before us because he happens to be right on abortion must be rejected by Christians.

    As Christians we must apply our faith to all areas of our life, including who we vote for. We must apply Biblical principles to elections. That means we don't vote for serial adulters or whoremongers and people who engage in gross public sins. Why would we assent to being governed by such a wicked man? Likewise, why would we assent to being governed by someone who isn't even a Christian? It makes no sense to do that, other than the church being entirely divorced from scripture and married to the political god of the day.
     
  5. BNR32FAN

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    But that wouldn’t be standing up against those who want to allow the killing of innocent babies now would it?
     
  6. Hazelelponi

    Hazelelponi Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Show me a politician with BIBLICAL morality and I'll sell you some seaside property in the desert.

    I don't see "really good con artist" as a prerequisite to the office of presidency. Although many seem to think it must be written somewhere in their Bibles.

    Todd Freil has a nice way of explaining it:



    (And I do apologize for my snarkiness as of late I'm just getting tired of all the political nonsense, he said / she said game... I wish people would just be honest and say they don't care for these policies already, those can at least be discussed honestly.)
     
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  7. Redwingfan9

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    In the long run it would.
     
  8. Redwingfan9

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    You're calling for antinomianism when it comes to voting, which would be shocking to any 19th century Christian.
     
  9. BNR32FAN

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    How so? What your suggesting is that Christians should’ve just stepped aside and did nothing to prevent the killing of innocents babies. So how would that be standing up for them in the long run?
     
  10. Redwingfan9

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    Would it mean losing an election? Sure. However the message would be loud and clear. Nominate upstanding Christians, church members and devout believers, or we won't vote for your candidate. If you think the Republicans wouldn't hear such a message you're crazy. We should have done it in 2008, 2012, 2016 and 2020. Instead we got liberal McCain, a liberal cultist and two races by a serial whoremonger who wouldn't know the truth if it hit him broadside. Three of those elections were lost. Surely we could have done better had we intentionally lost one of them.
     
  11. BNR32FAN

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    At the cost of how many of thousands of lives?
     
  12. Redwingfan9

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    The Republicans are already losing three out of four elections.
     
  13. Hazelelponi

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    I was reminded that when I was upset today and gave a scathing criticism of a bulk of Americans, many who call themselves Christian I was clearly in the wrong... and it was my own upset that caused me to speak unjustly and in an unChristian manner...

    I will repent of that sin, and try my best to keep my mouth shut and ask forgiveness if I ever think that way again..

    Sometimes when we see our sin in others, it helps to recognize just how horrible it is... God forgive me.
     
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  14. Redwingfan9

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    If Trump is the social norm of our country the church needs to retreat from politics entirely and focus on theology and personal holiness. At least then the church and believers will be set apart from the world around them.
     
  15. Hazelelponi

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    I was reminded that when I was upset today and gave a scathing criticism of a bulk of Americans, many who call themselves Christian I was clearly in the wrong... and it was my own upset that caused me to speak unjustly and in an unChristian manner...

    I will repent of that sin, and try my best to keep my mouth shut and ask forgiveness if I ever think that way again..

    Sometimes when we see our sin in others, it helps to recognize just how horrible it is... God forgive me.
     
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  16. Redwingfan9

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    I would agree with that, the church long ago abandoned Biblical Christianity. The mainline churches adopted higher criticism and scienceism over the gospel. The churches people call conservative today have their roots in the progressive social gospel of the late 19th and early 20th centuries. All of these churches have abandoned historical Christianity and worship for a mix of far left anti-Biblical theology, politics and entertainment masquerading as worship.
     
  17. Hazelelponi

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    I was reminded that when I was upset today and gave a scathing criticism of a bulk of Americans, many who call themselves Christian I was clearly in the wrong... and it was my own upset that caused me to speak unjustly and in an unChristian manner...

    I will repent of that sin, and try my best to keep my mouth shut and ask forgiveness if I ever think that way again..

    Sometimes when we see our sin in others, it helps to recognize just how horrible it is...

    Please forgive me...
     
  18. SoldierOfTheKing

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    There were plenty of political leaders in the Western world in the 19th century who had blemishes in their personal lives...

    [​IMG]
     
  19. Guinan

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    I agree with the premise of your OP. As a conservative Christian myself, I can attest to the fact that there's a negative reputation attached to the Christians who support Trump. I've had to make it clear that I oppose Trump whenever another person started ranting at me about either him or his Christian supporters. It's been assumed that I'm one of his supporters because I'm a conservative Christian.
     
  20. GOD Shines Forth!

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    I love it.

    P.S. Thank you now, not later!
     
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