Is Trump a Fascist? A look at Trump and Historical Fascist Themes and Policies

[Stephen3141]

How Trump's rhetoric compares to historic fascist language

The racist, sexist, and vulgar remarks at Donald Trump’s Madison Square Garden rally, from the former president himself and his slate of speakers, have drawn significant criticism. For more on the rhetoric and its impact, Amna Nawaz spoke with Ruth Ben-Ghiat, a professor of history at New York...

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In a number of ways, Trump's language and his policies (what he has
promosed to do) line up with historical fascist language and policies.

Between Hitler and Mussolini, they used the language that Trump has used,
such as "drain the swamp", or turning the military on the "internal enemies."
They identified the problems of the country as something that was internal,
and they identified the existing structure of the government as the source
of the trouble (this is Trump's Deep State fantasy), which they (the fascists)
would free the citizens from, by attacking and destroying it. This is how Trump
and the conspiracy theory guys paint the federal government, and the federal agencies.

Hitler planned to deport all sorts of people (mainly, non-white, homosexuals,
and other "undesirable" groups). To do this, he built Dachau as a holding camp
(the prisons would not hold enough people). The first victims of Dachau were
Hitler's political opponents (Trump has promised "retribution" against his
political opponents, although he is now trying to back away from that, and
point to a more general "enemy within").

It was after Hitler got rid of all his political opponents, that he turned on
the Jews, to try to exterminate them.

The history of fascism is filled with slogans and policies that Trump has
publicly used or asserted.

It is not credible, to call Harris and Walz "fascists", although this was a
strategy that the historic fascists also used. The Fascists called themselves
patriots and freedom fighters, and called the legitimate government
"fascists".

Note that Hitler's political Party included many, originally, who did not want
to sign on to Hitler's fascists agenda. But as Hitler gained more and more power,
and threatened more and more people, Hitler's political party gave in to his
horrendous agenda.

A lot of Trump's language and policies, are scripted by historic fascism.

 

[RDKirk]

It is not credible, to call Harris and Walz "fascists", although this was a
strategy that the historic fascists also used. The Fascists called themselves
patriots and freedom fighters, and called the legitimate government
"fascists".

I think not regarding the statements I quoted. Mussolini, Hitler, and Franco considered Fascism to be a valid system of government. They called themselves fascists (particularly Mussolini), just as proudly as Stalin called himself a Communist. Mussolini wrote a book about the "benefits" of Fascism. The Roman fasces were the official symbol of his government.

However, I do agree that Trumpism and Trump's agenda is fascist based on how the classical Fascists like Mussolini described their own ideology.

 

[durangodawood]

Hitler's attempted genocide has really given fascism a bad name.

If he'd have just stopped at simple racism and strict authoritarianism, people wouldn't have such a dim view of it. So I gather from watching contemporary trends in America.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

How Trump's rhetoric compares to historic fascist language

The racist, sexist, and vulgar remarks at Donald Trump’s Madison Square Garden rally, from the former president himself and his slate of speakers, have drawn significant criticism. For more on the rhetoric and its impact, Amna Nawaz spoke with Ruth Ben-Ghiat, a professor of history at New York...

www.pbs.org

In a number of ways, Trump's language and his policies (what he has
promosed to do) line up with historical fascist language and policies.

Between Hitler and Mussolini, they used the language that Trump has used,
such as "drain the swamp", or turning the military on the "internal enemies."
They identified the problems of the country as something that was internal,
and they identified the existing structure of the government as the source
of the trouble (this is Trump's Deep State fantasy), which they (the fascists)
would free the citizens from, by attacking and destroying it. This is how Trump
and the conspiracy theory guys paint the federal government, and the federal agencies.

Hitler planned to deport all sorts of people (mainly, non-white, homosexuals,
and other "undesirable" groups). To do this, he built Dachau as a holding camp
(the prisons would not hold enough people). The first victims of Dachau were
Hitler's political opponents (Trump has promised "retribution" against his
political opponents, although he is now trying to back away from that, and
point to a more general "enemy within").

It was after Hitler got rid of all his political opponents, that he turned on
the Jews, to try to exterminate them.

The history of fascism is filled with slogans and policies that Trump has
publicly used or asserted.

It is not credible, to call Harris and Walz "fascists", although this was a
strategy that the historic fascists also used. The Fascists called themselves
patriots and freedom fighters, and called the legitimate government
"fascists".

Note that Hitler's political Party included many, originally, who did not want
to sign on to Hitler's fascists agenda. But as Hitler gained more and more power,
and threatened more and more people, Hitler's political party gave in to his
horrendous agenda.

A lot of Trump's language and policies, are scripted by historic fascism.

Thanks for speaking truth.

 

[RDKirk]

Hitler's attempted genocide has really given fascism a bad name.

If he'd have just stopped at simple racism and strict authoritarianism, people wouldn't have such a dim view of it. So I gather from watching contemporary trends in America.

Well, we did see Fascism continue under Franco until the 70s.

 

[durangodawood]

Well, we did see Fascism continue under Franco until the 70s.

I think thats the sort of fascism in action many Americans would tolerate, or even welcome.

 

[eleos1954]

How Trump's rhetoric compares to historic fascist language

The racist, sexist, and vulgar remarks at Donald Trump’s Madison Square Garden rally, from the former president himself and his slate of speakers, have drawn significant criticism. For more on the rhetoric and its impact, Amna Nawaz spoke with Ruth Ben-Ghiat, a professor of history at New York...

www.pbs.org

In a number of ways, Trump's language and his policies (what he has
promosed to do) line up with historical fascist language and policies.

Between Hitler and Mussolini, they used the language that Trump has used,
such as "drain the swamp", or turning the military on the "internal enemies."
They identified the problems of the country as something that was internal,
and they identified the existing structure of the government as the source
of the trouble (this is Trump's Deep State fantasy), which they (the fascists)
would free the citizens from, by attacking and destroying it. This is how Trump
and the conspiracy theory guys paint the federal government, and the federal agencies.

Hitler planned to deport all sorts of people (mainly, non-white, homosexuals,
and other "undesirable" groups). To do this, he built Dachau as a holding camp
(the prisons would not hold enough people). The first victims of Dachau were
Hitler's political opponents (Trump has promised "retribution" against his
political opponents, although he is now trying to back away from that, and
point to a more general "enemy within").

It was after Hitler got rid of all his political opponents, that he turned on
the Jews, to try to exterminate them.

The history of fascism is filled with slogans and policies that Trump has
publicly used or asserted.

It is not credible, to call Harris and Walz "fascists", although this was a
strategy that the historic fascists also used. The Fascists called themselves
patriots and freedom fighters, and called the legitimate government
"fascists".

Note that Hitler's political Party included many, originally, who did not want
to sign on to Hitler's fascists agenda. But as Hitler gained more and more power,
and threatened more and more people, Hitler's political party gave in to his
horrendous agenda.

A lot of Trump's language and policies, are scripted by historic fascism.

Eh .... both sides calls each other names (that's politics) .... we do have a comparison .... we had 4 years of trump and 4 years of Biden ... under which leadership do you believe the country was better off?

Two important things (facts) to consider are ....

No major wars under Trump
No mass migration under Trump

These two things are creating a great financial stress and danger to our country IMO.

I personally now experienced about a 30% increase in the cost of goods I buy to sustain my monthly living compared to when Trump was in charge.

With a lot that is said by both sides .... hard to say what the real truth is .... but the two listed above are undeniable facts and I think most important to our nation as a whole.

Regardless .... it is God's plan that will play out regardless who is elected .... so I rest in that.

 

[RDKirk]

Eh .... both sides calls each other names (that's politics) .... we do have a comparison .... we had 4 years of trump and 4 years of Biden ... under which leadership do you believe the country was better off?

Two important things (facts) to consider are ....

No major wars under Trump
No mass migration under Trump

These two things are creating a great financial stress and danger to our country IMO.

I personally now experienced about a 30% increase in the cost of goods I buy to sustain my monthly living compared to when Trump was in charge.

With a lot that is said by both sides .... hard to say what the real truth is .... but the two listed above are undeniable facts and I think most important to our nation as a whole.

Regardless .... it is God's plan that will play out regardless who is elected .... so I rest in that.

Afghanistan continued under both of them, and both of them would have ended it in about the same way. Biden's error was ordering the pull-out to meet his own political deadline against the advice of the military (in autumn rather than the succeeding spring...timing the removal of American troops with the season was exceedingly important). But that error was no worse than Trump's pull out of Syria.

Regarding the post-Covid-lockdown inflation. People, that had been an artificially induced global economic depression. A depression. There would have been a post-depression period of inflation under any president.

 

[Petros2015]

No major wars under Trump
No mass migration under Trump

I can give him that for 3 of his 4 years. The 4th year 2020 was a little unusual with Covid rolling across the globe. Everyone was a little too busy to field a large military force all packed together I expect. Not a great time for mass migrations either.

 

[Laodicean60]

But that error was no worse than Trump's pull out of Syria.

Were there any American troops killed because of the pullout of Syria? To me, it is worse because soldiers died and politics was involved in this decision.

Regarding the post-Covid-lockdown inflation. People, that had been an artificially induced global economic depression. A depression. There would have been a post-depression period of inflation under any president.

Some say we've been in a silent depression since the GFC, with all the money printing to keep our economy afloat. I agree that the lockdowns, including stimulus, have created the situation we have today. I give Biden a pass because no one knows if Trump would have been talked into doing the same thing because of the fear of the American people, Congress, and around the world.

 

[KCfromNC]

Two important things (facts) to consider are ....

No major wars under Trump
No mass migration under Trump

These two things are creating a great financial stress and danger to our country IMO.

Or at least that's the story being told to rationalize falling for an authoritarian con man.

 

[wing2000]

Eh .... both sides calls each other names (that's politics) .... we do have a comparison .... we had 4 years of trump and 4 years of Biden ... under which leadership do you believe the country was better off?

Two important things (facts) to consider are ....

No major wars under Trump
No mass migration under Trump

These two things are creating a great financial stress and danger to our country IMO.

I personally now experienced about a 30% increase in the cost of goods I buy to sustain my monthly living compared to when Trump was in charge.

With a lot that is said by both sides .... hard to say what the real truth is .... but the two listed above are undeniable facts and I think most important to our nation as a whole.

Regardless .... it is God's plan that will play out regardless who is elected .... so I rest in that.

How does this relate to the thread's topic?

 

[wing2000]

A lot of Trump's language and policies, are scripted by historic fascism.

I would restate that:

Trump's language and policies echo the facism of the early 1930's in Europe. I don't think Trump is intentionally following a script...he acts on his gut instincts).

- Play on people's economic insecurity (....particularly vulnerable are rural Americans, who feel the US economy has left them behind).
- Re-enforce economic security by describing the country in dire terms
- Blame outsider's for their problems (illegal immigrants, people from 3rd world countries, etc). The message being, if we just get rid of the illegal immigrants, all your problems will be solved. Hence, the Trump promises of "mass deportation" on day one etc.
- demonize political opponents
- Threaten the use of the military to go after the perceived enemies of MAGA
- Attack America insututions that stand in the way of MAGA ideology as corrupt: the press, electorial system, justice system, etc

 

[Larniavc]

These two things are creating a great financial stress and danger to our country IMO.

If some is too poor to resist the economic gains of living in a fascist country one needs to take ownership of one’s own poor life decisions.

 

[Pommer]

How Trump's rhetoric compares to historic fascist language

The racist, sexist, and vulgar remarks at Donald Trump’s Madison Square Garden rally, from the former president himself and his slate of speakers, have drawn significant criticism. For more on the rhetoric and its impact, Amna Nawaz spoke with Ruth Ben-Ghiat, a professor of history at New York...

www.pbs.org

In a number of ways, Trump's language and his policies (what he has
promosed to do) line up with historical fascist language and policies.

Between Hitler and Mussolini, they used the language that Trump has used,
such as "drain the swamp", or turning the military on the "internal enemies."
They identified the problems of the country as something that was internal,
and they identified the existing structure of the government as the source
of the trouble (this is Trump's Deep State fantasy), which they (the fascists)
would free the citizens from, by attacking and destroying it. This is how Trump
and the conspiracy theory guys paint the federal government, and the federal agencies.

Hitler planned to deport all sorts of people (mainly, non-white, homosexuals,
and other "undesirable" groups). To do this, he built Dachau as a holding camp
(the prisons would not hold enough people). The first victims of Dachau were
Hitler's political opponents (Trump has promised "retribution" against his
political opponents, although he is now trying to back away from that, and
point to a more general "enemy within").

It was after Hitler got rid of all his political opponents, that he turned on
the Jews, to try to exterminate them.

The history of fascism is filled with slogans and policies that Trump has
publicly used or asserted.

It is not credible, to call Harris and Walz "fascists", although this was a
strategy that the historic fascists also used. The Fascists called themselves
patriots and freedom fighters, and called the legitimate government
"fascists".

Note that Hitler's political Party included many, originally, who did not want
to sign on to Hitler's fascists agenda. But as Hitler gained more and more power,
and threatened more and more people, Hitler's political party gave in to his
horrendous agenda.

A lot of Trump's language and policies, are scripted by historic fascism.

Right-wing populism will need an “enemy” too, though; what’s missing is the Nationalist mythos (which is rudimentary at this point).
While “America for Americans” is a beginning of creating such a mythos, the slogan is nothing more than that, (at the present time).

 

[RDKirk]

Right-wing populism will need an “enemy” too, though; what’s missing is the Nationalist mythos (which is rudimentary at this point).
While “America for Americans” is a beginning of creating such a mythos, the slogan is nothing more than that, (at the present time).

There are three essential components to classical Fascism. These are sine qua non...without out any one of them, you're looking at some other version of autocracy than classical Fascism:

1. Organicism: The concept of a nationalist mythos (which may be combined with a near-spiritual component) of the purity of a people bound to their own land: "Blood and Soil." The pure people and their land form an organic entity that has an "exceptional national will to greatness."

2. Absolutism: That the "exceptional national will to greatness" can be embodied by a single individual, an Inspired Leader who exemplifies it and operates wholly toward it. All of the decisions made by this inspired leader are by, of, and for the "exceptional national will to greatness."

3. Irrationalism: This is the abandonment of individual choices and opinions by the members of the nation of how the "exceptional national will to greatness" should proceed in favor of the decisions the Inspired Leader... even if his recent decisions contradict his previous decisions.

I think the "blood and soil" nationalist mythos (Organicism) within hard-core MAGA is stronger than you think...they have their concept of who the "real Americans" are. And they definitely have the "inspired leader" (Fuhrerprinzip) down pat.

 

[KCfromNC]

Right-wing populism will need an “enemy” too, though; what’s missing is the Nationalist mythos (which is rudimentary at this point).

How about the idea that America was great at some vague unspecified point in the past, only to be corrupted by leftists and globalists. Luckily a candidate offers empty platitudes about returning to that point.

 

[rjs330]

Between Hitler and Mussolini, they used the language that Trump has used,
such as "drain the swamp", or turning the military on the "internal enemies."
They identified the problems of the country as something that was internal,
and they identified the existing structure of the government as the source
of the trouble (this is Trump's Deep State fantasy), which they (the fascists)
would free the citizens from, by attacking and destroying it. This is how Trump
and the conspiracy theory guys paint the federal government, and the federal agencies.

Except there is a deep state rhat has worked diligently to get rid of Trump.

The problems in this country are internal. This is something that both sides express. The Right is an internal problem according to the left. Federal agencies have been set loose to go after citizens.

https://www.npr.org/2017/10/27/5603...or-aggressive-scrutiny-of-conservative-groups

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Hmm... who actually looking like fascists? Targeting parents using the FBI?

Hitler planned to deport all sorts of people (mainly, non-white, homosexuals,
and other "undesirable" groups). To do this, he built Dachau as a holding camp
(the prisons would not hold enough people). The first victims of Dachau were
Hitler's political opponents (Trump has promised "retribution" against his
political opponents, although he is now trying to back away from that, and
point to a more general "enemy within").

I believe Trump.has only said he wanted to deport ILLEGALS. Which is allowed by law. Is the law on the books then facist? Illegals should be sent home. Thats the law.

It was after Hitler got rid of all his political opponents,

Who are rhe ones who are actually trying to lock up political opponents? It's the left. Is Hillary in jail? Nope. Has she been heavily investigated by states and the feds and prosecuted by conservatives? Who has actually faced political.prosecution. It's obvious who the real fascists are.

The history of fascism is filled with slogans and policies that Trump has
publicly used or asserted.

It is the slogans that democrats are using. Hitler, conservatives want to destroy democracy, they are the real threat. Conservatives have been called bigots, homophobes, racists, transphobes, misogynistic and whatever else rhe left can come up.with. why even Biden has now called us garbage.

Yeah, who's the fascists now?

Note that Hitler's political Party included many, originally, who did not want
to sign on to Hitler's fascists agenda. But as Hitler gained more and more power,
and threatened more and more people, Hitler's political party gave in to his
horrendous agenda.

Note that Harris party didn't vote for her, but she took over in a political coup without a single vote.

I am.finding that the left is becoming very good at accusing others of doing something they are actually doing themselves.

I really hope Trump b3comes president so we can throw all of this in rhe lefts face. And show how ridiculous all thia is. .

 

[jayem]

Eh .... both sides calls each other names (that's politics) .... we do have a comparison .... we had 4 years of trump and 4 years of Biden ... under which leadership do you believe the country was better off?

Covid was clearly the defining event of Trump’s presidency. Which he made worse by downplaying its severity, and hawking ineffective medications, i.e, hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin. He rejected most of NIH director Tony Fauci’s advice on masking. Which could be why Trump himself contracted a serious case of Covid and was hospitalized for 3 days at Walter Reed.

Between 2019 and 2020, our country lost over a million people. I wouldn’t say we were better off with Donald Trump as President.