Is this story related to the Mark of the Beast?

[Hammster]

I just don’t see how you can believe this

That Jesus is king and His kingdom will prevail? It’s all over scripture.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

The facts are that the Mark of the Beast™ is a first century event. Just because some future event may seem like the same thing doesn’t make it the same thing. Satan likes using the same tricks over and over.

That's pretty arrogant of you to equate your opinions/interpretations with facts.

Tell me how all whose names are not written in the book of life worshiped the beast and had its mark in the first century. What about people since then whose names are not written in the book of life? Have they not also worshiped the beast? Where does it say there's any exceptions among those whose names are not written in the book of life?

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Who was the first century beast and tell me how all whose names are not written in the book of life worshiped the beast and had its mark at that time.

 

[Honeymoon]

That Jesus is king and His kingdom will prevail? It’s all over scripture.

That everything has already happened first century

 

[Hammster]

That everything has already happened first century

Most everything. He still is putting His enemies under His feet. And the kingdom is still growing.

 

[Honeymoon]

Most everything. He still is putting His enemies under His feet. And the kingdom is still growing.

I showed you Matthew 24:29 and you never had anything else to say about it. All you said was do more studying. Please refute what it says and how it lines up with your view. You can’t.

 

[Taodeching]

That everything has already happened first century

Really it is hard for me to think that anyone could take a book that was not written to modern man and assume everything happens now ignoring the landscape of Christianity and the perils it faced than.

 

[Hammster]

That's pretty arrogant of you to equate your opinions/interpretations with facts.

How sure are you that you are correct about your position?

Tell me how all whose names are not written in the book of life worshiped the beast and had its mark in the first century. What about people since then whose names are not written in the book of life? Have they not also worshiped the beast? Where does it say there's any exceptions among those whose names are not written in the book of life?

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Those who were dwelling at that time. Plus, you need to look at the context from the beginning. Never was every person on earth in view. The mindset of the Romans, for instance, was that they had conquered the whole world, even though it was hyperbole.

Who was the first century beast and tell me how all whose names are not written in the book of life worshiped the beast and had its mark at that time.

The beast was Nero.

 

[Hammster]

I showed you Matthew 24:29 and you never had anything else to say about it. All you said was do more studying. Please refute what it says and how it lines up with your view. You can’t.

Well, did you go to the OT and see how sun, moon, and stars were used?

 

[BABerean2]

Still first century.

Total one world government in the first century and the Chinese were not even aware of it ???

That is an interesting interpretation.

Do you think Revelation chapter 16 was also first century?

Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
Rev 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
Rev 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
Rev 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
Rev 16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.


Has the greatest earthquake in history already happened?

Were the islands and mountains destroyed?

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[Hammster]

Total one world government in the first century and the Chinese were not even aware of it ???

That is an interesting interpretation.

Do you think Revelation chapter 16 was also first century?

Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
Rev 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
Rev 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
Rev 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
Rev 16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.



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If you can look at scripture as a whole, you don’t need a total world government. You need to use scripture to interpret scripture, not modern media.

 

[BABerean2]

If you can look at scripture as a whole, you don’t need a total world government. You need to use scripture to interpret scripture, not modern media.

In other words, you just ignore Revelation chapter 16.

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[Hammster]

In other words, you just ignore Revelation chapter 16.

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Not at all.

 

[Honeymoon]

Really it is hard for me to think that anyone could take a book that was not written to modern man and assume everything happens now ignoring the landscape of Christianity and the perils it faced than.

Oh so the Bible isn’t for us?

 

[Hammster]

Oh so the Bible isn’t for us?

You need to remember that it was written for us, but not to us.

 

[BABerean2]

Not at all.

If you do not ignore Revelation 16, can you tell us when Christ came as a thief and gathered them into a place called Armageddon?

When did the greatest earthquake in history occur, which destroyed the mountains?

Are you going to tell us it occurred during the first century?

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[Hammster]

If you do not ignore Revelation 16, can you tell us when Christ came as a thief and gathered them into a place called Armageddon?

When did the greatest earthquake in history occur, which destroyed the mountains?

Are you going to tell us it occurred during the first century?

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Of course it did. But if you won’t take off your literalist glasses (and stop using media to interpret the Bible) you won’t see it.

 

[Honeymoon]

Of course it did. But if you won’t take off your literalist glasses (and stop using media to interpret the Bible) you won’t see it.

So in your view Christianity is just going to keep growing until most people are saved and then the end?

 

[Taodeching]

Oh so the Bible isn’t for us?

You need to remember that it was written for us, but not to us.

What Hammster said. The Bible as it is was not written to us but is for us. Take Luke and Acts they were written for his benefactor but is for us

 

[Hammster]

So in your view Christianity is just going to keep growing until most people are saved and then the end?

That’s the biblical view.

 

[BABerean2]

That’s the biblical view.

That is the Universalist view, which is not found in the Bible.

There will be a judgment of the living that reject Him and a judgment of the dead at His return, just as Paul said in 2 Timothy 4:1.

See Matthew 25:31-46 for a judgment of the living at His return.

See John 5:27-30 for a judgment of the dead at His return.

In 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, He returns "in flaming fire" taking vengeance on those who do not know God.

If you think these two judgments occurred during the first century, your preterism dial has gone way to far to the left.



In the link below a child survivor of the Nazi Holocaust explains what it is like to be labeled as a spreader of disease. She sees where the COVID scare is headed.

COVID-19 Dress Rehearsals and Proof of the Plan (mercola.com)

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