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Is there anything a God could do that would make him evil?

Discussion in 'Christian Apologetics' started by BigV, Nov 22, 2019.

  1. BigV

    BigV Junior Member

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    If God can torture people in Hell for eternity, and still be the epitome of goodness and love, what would make this God a moral monster?
     
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  2. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    " Is there anything a god could do that would make him evil? "

    Yes. Most gods are evil.
     
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  3. “Paisios”

    “Paisios” Unworthy servant of God Supporter

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    Edit: Sorry, unintentionally broke forum rules.
     
  4. com7fy8

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    I would say this is a misrepresentation. God is not going to be delighting in torturing people.

    But there are people so conceited that they feel they are too good for Jesus. So, where do they go, if indeed they don't want Jesus? Mothers and father cursed their own children with the blood of Jesus!! That shows how people can have a major character problem, which makes them so anti-Christ. So, if they can't stand Jesus, it could be worse for them, even more torment, to be in His presence in Heaven!!

    Notice how now, even, a number of people can get into torment, inside themselves, just by thinking of Jesus. Because their nature is to be so into and about themselves and using people for what they want. This anti-Jesus nature is connected with a nasty negative spirit who has people becoming very nasty and negative about not getting pleasures they treasure more than loving any and all people. And in the weakness of a self-seeking spirit a person can be weak enough to suffer deeply while being weak enough to seek foolish and useless pleasures which they try to use to make themselves feel something nicer than their own deep nasty and negative stuff.

    Their weakness for pleasure, then, overtimes and multi-tasks as weakness for pain, too.

    And it is their own character, then, which makes them able to suffer.

    Meanwhile, God's love is almighty to keep us from suffering >

    "you will find rest for your souls" (in Matthew 11:29)

    People socially accepted became able to even curse their own kids with the blood of Jesus who is all-loving > Matthew 27:25. So, what we need to see is how our own character is capable of becoming . . . not if and how God would be capable of doing evil, but what our own character without Jesus is capable of doing, and we don't realize this.
     
  5. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    oh?, I read your post earlier and liked it, thought it was very appropriate. Thanks!
     
  6. “Paisios”

    “Paisios” Unworthy servant of God Supporter

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    Thanks.

    I initially thought it appropriate, but also very denomination specific, since there seems to be disagreement about the nature of Hell, which could have led to debates between Christian sects, so against the forum rules. (At least, that was my interpretation and reasoning for removing it. I like to stay out of trouble on this site).
     
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  7. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    If we stick with Scripture, and go back to the original words used, and what Yahweh Said in Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic, (when possible),
    I don't think there is such a great difference in understanding - it is later, with ideas foreign to Scripture and in other languages not directly accurately translated that troubles arise.

    With the various perspectives presented, the OP might catch on to what's true !?
     
  8. “Paisios”

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    Perhaps true (and I agree) but by the rules of this subforum, it would not be the place to discuss and debate. There are other sub forums in which that might be an interesting discussion.
     
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  9. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Just your definition, or someone else's definition. That's all it takes to make anything anything, even though not reality !? (not true according to others either)
     
  10. zippy2006

    zippy2006 Dragonsworn

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    Stating a doctrine that other Christians might potentially disagree with does not violate the forum rules. That happens all the time. What is against the rules is inter-Christian debates on this particular forum. So if another Christian comes along and starts arguing with you over the EO conception of Hell, that would be against the rules (though they would be breaking the rule, not you). That debate belongs in a different forum.
     
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  11. zippy2006

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    Meting out a just punishment is contrary to neither goodness or love.
     
  12. Moral Orel

    Moral Orel Proud Citizen of Moralton Supporter

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    I've found that the best way to ask questions around here is to keep them as simple as possible. Since you've given an example of something you find to be evil (i.e. sending people to Hell), folks are only going to focus on that instead of answering the question you're really getting at. You've sort of Red Herring'ed yourself. The fact is that God can do absolutely anything and people will call it good, which effectively renders the term "good" meaningless.

    I think you're making a good point, but I predict no one is going to talk about it with you.
     
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    Meting out punishment that is eternal and non-rehabilitative is neither good, nor just, nor loving.
     
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  14. zippy2006

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    What would you say is the question he is getting at? I would say it is, "What could be worse than torturing people for all eternity?"

    The key is that it is what is called a complex or loaded question. The question itself contains a controversial premise.
     
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    Focusing exclusively on justice for the time being, which of these do you agree with?
    1. Meting out punishment that is eternal and non-rehabilitative is unjust.
    2. Meting out punishment that is eternal is unjust.
    3. Meting out punishment that is non-rehabilitative is unjust.
     
  16. Tinker Grey

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    All of the above.
     
  17. BigV

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    According to Christian apologists, there exists an absolute moral standard. So, judging by that standard, what could God do that would make him evil?
     
  18. Moral Orel

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    The title of the OP is the question he is getting at: "Is there anything a God could do that would make Him evil?".
     
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  19. BigV

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    Since this is a discussion forum, lets say I agree with you. Lets rephrase the question into "what could be worse than torturing people for all eternity?" And for the crimes that they've committed while living for less than 120 years.

    What could be worse than that?

    If we could expound on it further, then I would be pressed to find many godless people that would be okay with torturing other people, when the torture requires infinite time.

    I think many or most people would be okay with torturing child rapist, mass murderers, but the term would have to be very limited. I would never be okay with torture for eternity! And I'm not as loving as a Christian God allegedly is..., or am I?
     
  20. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    I think "moral" is a man-made concept/ word/ standard that SOMETIMES is going along with God's Word, maybe as if by accident,
    but would never agree that morality is a standard to judge by, no.
    Chrisian apologists are wrong too often to trust them - everything stated must be tested by God's Word, just as even the APOSTLES DECLARED - IF WE (the APostles) ever come with a message NOT IN LINE with , NOT in harmony with, NOT the same as the message delivered once for all time (Scripture), THEN DO NOT ACCEPT US - DO NOT Accept the message.
    God's Word is the absolute, unchangeable standard. Regardless of what morality or moralists or whatever else says or claims.
     
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