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Featured Is there a second chance after death?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by W2L, Jun 8, 2019.

  1. Lazarus Short

    Lazarus Short Well-Known Member

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    I see that you have entirely misunderstood my position, though I try to state it with precision. I wonder if you have a greater hope than heaven for the just and hell for the unjust...from a God Who gives the rain/blessings to both.
     
  2. throughfireytrial

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    Read on and you will see the reason He shows goodness and kindness to the unjust on this earth...
    Romans 2:4-5:
    Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?
    But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed.
    If you study the Bible more rather than the secular ones you will learn the ways of God and you will learn the answer to all your questions which need answering in this world.
    Matthew 12:36-37:
    But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgement for every careless word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.

    Careful of all those erroneous words you are contemplating having circulated to the masses.
     
  3. Lazarus Short

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    I covered those verses in writing my book, as well as every other verse. I was very careful with my words, but I noted during the two years of my research that the KJV translators were not always careful, in spite of the beautiful language they composed. Sadly, you judge my words to be erroneous without having read them, but it seems that some on this forum (and many others), never let up after catching the faintest scent of non-orthodoxy. However, orthodoxy, like all fashion, changes with the season. What you are praised for today might well have got you burned at the stake some centuries ago.
     
  4. throughfireytrial

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    You mistake the word of the Bible which you so carefully "researched". Did you not read that Jesus sends us the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, to remind us of everything He has taught us? And so as you read your Bible and receive that insight from the Comforter do you reject it or check it out further with other Scripture until you find reconciliation? Or do you check secular books or writings of sects to try to reconcile and find your truth? I do not see how you can miss heaven or hell unless you are intentional about taking that stand.
    Though I may appear naive to the world, trust me, I do know the Scriptures and they are they which make us wise unto salvation. My husband is a scientist and I am not a stranger to those who are skeptics.
     
  5. Lazarus Short

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    You say "researched" as if you do not believe I compared verse with verse, chapter with chapter, and book with book...but I did. We, as humans, just do not usually know when the Spirit speaks to us, but sometimes we do. I used a very ordinary KJV for my research, comparing with a few other versions, and I also used Strong's and Young's Concordances, Biblehub.com and the Oxford English Dictionary. I kept any other reading about the subject to a minimum. So do you see how far off you are about my methods? Well, I did not miss noticing heaven, because God tells us that He created it. However, I took careful note that He never made that claim for Hell.
     
  6. throughfireytrial

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    I'm not at all off in the type of research you did...the reason I added quotes to the word was to show you that I believed that's what threw you into confusion. God does not write a love letter to His millions upon millions with their myriad levels of understanding and intelligence so as to require one to go the type of research you have done.
    May I advize you just this one time? Please, now that you have done all these confusing studies...confusing in my view granted...re-read the Bible with ease and get the grand overall idea of it...God may bless your indepth studies to add to your knowledge. I say may bless it in that it is rather a faithless way of going about finding the Truth when you have the Holy Spirit.
     
  7. Carlitg

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    I believe there is a second chance after death. It calms me down when I start thinking that one day I will die.
     
  8. Lazarus Short

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    Of course, I have read the Bible, and in several versions. Some are better than others, but all tell the same basic Story. As far as any of us have come, I see us Christians as children sitting in on a Master-Level Class. Yes, I include myself, and believe by faith that we will catch up by His grace.
     
  9. throughfireytrial

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    Yes, it is a Master level class, but He has many, many different tongues individually and uniquely designed for your ear and understanding. Isn't this the work of the Holy Spirit who teaches us the deep things of God?...so much so that I Corinthians says..."we have the mind of Christ".
    I had no doubt you have read the Bible through many times and in the various versions you say...I believe you. You sound as though you need more faith in that process...just reading and the Lord will give you understanding and insight.
    I do not understand why you do not see eternal life in heaven and eternal life in hell. It does require faith to take God at His Word and His teaching may be as the disciples sometimes say, "hard teachings" or what today we'd call "harsh teachings".
    No one is perfect and without sin, the blood of Jesus cleanses us from our sin and it is sin not to believe...it is just that easy...I say easy, easy to understand...Jesus' work on the cross to grant us this grace was not at all easy. Hence the huge penalty. (Though there are more reasons which we could go into later)
     
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