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Why doesn't anyone preach the good news about Jesus in its COMPLETE and CORRECT form? I have heard and read too many half-gospels and clearly incorrect versions of it.

Is God preventing me from getting to the saving knowledge? Is something restricting my access to the true gospel?

And most importantly, WHAT IS THE GOSPEL?????

The day is soon over and I have again spent my few hours of free time in this endless process of finding the gospel!!!
 
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I honestly don't know what the problem is, Fish. If you had said that you didn't believe the Gospel, that would be one thing; but to say you don't know what it is...and also include that part about having decided that what you've heard is the incomplete and incorrect Gospel...?

You'd have to know what the Gospel is in order to judge what you've been told is not complete and/or correct, wouldn't you?
 
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Why doesn't anyone preach the good news about Jesus in its COMPLETE and CORRECT form? I have heard and read too many half-gospels and clearly incorrect versions of it.

Is God preventing me from getting to the saving knowledge? Is something restricting my access to the true gospel?

And most importantly, WHAT IS THE GOSPEL?????

The day is soon over and I have again spent my few hours of free time in this endless process of finding the gospel!!!
Good question... what is the gospel? If all it is, is "Jesus died for my sins, repeat this prayer" then I think we all have a very incomplete view of it. Abraham heard the gospel (Galatians 3:8) and Israel heard it at Sinai (Hebrews 4:2) and so... if the "gospel" being preached today does not include the coming Kingdom, a seed no man can count, and a land large enough to house the New Jerusalem (yes, the land promised to Abraham is the same size as the dimensions of the NJ) then I think we are not preaching a full gospel.

We are simply to come in faith and then submit to His Lordship. Salvation begins and ends there... the rest is learning and growing and, once trained, walking in our calling. You're fine! :)
 
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I honestly don't know what the problem is, Fish. If you had said that you didn't believe the Gospel, that would be one thing; but to say you don't know what it is...and also include that part about having decided that what you've heard is the incomplete and incorrect Gospel...?

You'd have to know what the Gospel is in order to judge what you've been told is not complete and/or correct, wouldn't you?

Some say logically impossible things like that Jesus died on the cross instead of us going to Hell. Death and Hell are not the same penalty.
 
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Good question... what is the gospel? If all it is, is "Jesus died for my sins, repeat this prayer" then I think we all have a very incomplete view of it. Abraham heard the gospel (Galatians 3:8) and Israel heard it at Sinai (Hebrews 4:2) and so... if the "gospel" being preached today does not include the coming Kingdom, a seed no man can count, and a land large enough to house the New Jerusalem (yes, the land promised to Abraham is the same size as the dimensions of the NJ) then I think we are not preaching a full gospel.

We are simply to come in faith and then submit to His Lordship. Salvation begins and ends there... the rest is learning and growing and, once trained, walking in our calling. You're fine! :)
I don't mean any good news but the gospel about how we can be saved through Jesus.
 
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Some say logically impossible things like that Jesus died on the cross instead of us going to Hell. Death and Hell are not the same penalty.
You are referring, I take it, to death being the penalty for sin (according to Scripture) but Jesus being said to have paid that penalty for us so that we escape hell, not physical death.

This, I believe, concerns one of those apparent conflicts between the Old Testament before the coming of the Messiah and the revelations given us by him--and the changes made as a result of the coming of the Savior. The major faction in old Judaism did not believe in the immortality of the soul. They were a constant challenge to Christ during his time on Earth.

Some people insist that there cannot be any disconnect between the OT and the NT, but for most Christians, they represent a steadily unfolding picture, most obviously with the idea that we needed a Savior even while the Hebrews had God with them, were given the Ten Commandments, etc. But still they needed a Savior. Why so?

Christ (and the New Testament testifies to it) brought a new understanding, a fulfillment of what led up to that point. We can be saved...and not by our own devotionalism or adherence to legalisms. Christ did it for mankind. Along with that, we have the reassurance that we shall live forever and the grave will not be the end after all, even though that penalty, extinction, would be a fair penalty for our sinfulness, assuming that there had never been the Savior.
 
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Why doesn't anyone preach the good news about Jesus in its COMPLETE and CORRECT form? I have heard and read too many half-gospels and clearly incorrect versions of it.

Is God preventing me from getting to the saving knowledge? Is something restricting my access to the true gospel?

And most importantly, WHAT IS THE GOSPEL?????

The day is soon over and I have again spent my few hours of free time in this endless process of finding the gospel!!!

Question: "What is the gospel?"

Answer:
The word gospel literally means “good news” and occurs 93 times in the Bible, exclusively in the New Testament. In Greek, it is the word euaggelion, from which we get our English words evangelist, evangel, and evangelical. The gospel is, broadly speaking, the whole of Scripture; more narrowly, the gospel is the good news concerning Christ and the way of salvation.

The key to understanding the gospel is to know why it’s good news. To do that, we must start with the bad news. The Old Testament Law was given to Israel during the time of Moses (Deuteronomy 5:1). The Law can be thought of as a measuring stick, and sin is anything that falls short of “perfect” according to that standard. The righteous requirement of the Law is so stringent that no human being could possibly follow it perfectly, in letter or in spirit. Despite our “goodness” or “badness” relative to each other, we are all in the same spiritual boat—we have sinned, and the punishment for sin is death, i.e. separation from God, the source of life (Romans 3:23). In order for us to go to heaven, God’s dwelling place and the realm of life and light, sin must be somehow removed or paid for. The Law established the fact that cleansing from sin can only happen through the bloody sacrifice of an innocent life (Hebrews 9:22).

The gospel involves Jesus’ death on the cross as the sin offering to fulfill the Law’s righteous requirement (Romans 8:3–4; Hebrews 10:5–10). Under the Law, animal sacrifices were offered year after year as a reminder of sin and a symbol of the coming sacrifice of Christ (Hebrews 10:3–4). When Christ offered Himself at Calvary, that symbol became a reality for all who would believe (Hebrews 10:11–18). The work of atonement is finished now, and that’s good news.

The gospel also involves Jesus’ resurrection on the third day. “He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification” (Romans 4:25). The fact that Jesus conquered sin and death (sin’s penalty) is good news, indeed. The fact that He offers to share that victory with us is the greatest news of all (John 14:19).

The elements of the gospel are clearly stated in 1 Corinthians 15:3–6, a key passage concerning the good news of God: “For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve. After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living.” Notice, first, that Paul “received” the gospel and then “passed it on”; this is a divine message, not a man-made invention. Second, the gospel is “of first importance.” Everywhere the apostles went, they preached the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ. Third, the message of the gospel is accompanied by proofs: Christ died for our sins (proved by His burial), and He rose again the third day (proved by the eyewitnesses). Fourth, all this was done “according to the Scriptures”; the theme of the whole Bible is the salvation of mankind through Christ. The Bible is the gospel.

“I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile” (Romans 1:16). The gospel is a bold message, and we are not ashamed of proclaiming it. It is a powerful message, because it is God’s good news. It is a saving message, the only thing that can truly reform the human heart. It is a universal message, for Jews and Gentiles both. And the gospel is received by faith; salvation is the gift of God (Ephesians 2:8–9).

The gospel is the good news that God loves the world enough to give His only Son to die for our sin (John 3:16). The gospel is good news because our salvation and eternal life and home in heaven are guaranteed through Christ (John 14:1–4). “He has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you” (1 Peter 1:3–4).

The gospel is good news when we understand that we do not (and cannot) earn our salvation; the work of redemption and justification is complete, having been finished on the cross (John 19:30). Jesus is the propitiationfor our sins (1 John 2:2). The gospel is the good news that we, who were once enemies of God, have been reconciled by the blood of Christ and adopted into the family of God (Romans 5:10; John 1:12). “See what great love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are!” (1 John 3:1). The gospel is the good news that “there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” (Romans 8:1).

To reject the gospel is to embrace the bad news. Condemnation before God is the result of a lack of faith in the Son of God, God’s only provision for salvation. “For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son” (John 3:17–18). God has given a doomed world good news.

www.gotquestions.org/what-is-the-gospel.html


Question: "What are the essentials of the gospel message?"

Answer:
The word gospel means “good news,” which is the message of forgiveness for sin through the atoning work of Jesus Christ. It is essentially God’s rescue plan of redemption for those who will trust in His divine Son in order to be reconciled to a just and holy God. The essential content of this saving message is clearly laid out for us in the Bible.

In the apostle Paul’s first letter to the Corinthians, he lays out the content of the gospel message, “Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures” (1 Corinthians 15:1–4).

In this passage, we see three essential elements of the gospel message. First, the phrase “died for our sins” is very important. As Romans 3:23 tells us, “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” The reality of sin needs to be acknowledged by all who approach the throne of God for salvation. A sinner must acknowledge the hopelessness of his guilt before God in order for forgiveness to take place, and he must understand that the “wages of sin is death” (Romans 6:23). Without this foundational truth, no gospel presentation is complete.

Second, the person and work of Christ are indispensable components of the gospel. Jesus is both God (Colossians 2:9) and man (John 1:14). Jesus lived the sinless life that we could never live (1 Peter 2:22), and, because of that, He is the only one who could die a substitutionary death for the sinner. Sin against an infinite God requires an infinite sacrifice. Therefore, either man, who is finite, must pay the penalty for an infinite length of time in hell, or the infinite Christ must pay for it once. Jesus went to the cross to pay the debt we owe to God for our sin, and those who are covered by His sacrifice will inherit the kingdom of God as sons of the king (John 1:12).

Third, the resurrection of Christ is an essential element of the gospel. The resurrection is the proof of the power of God. Only He who created life can resurrect it after death, only He can reverse the hideousness that is death itself, and only He can remove the sting that is death and the victory that is the grave’s (1 Corinthians 15:54–55). Further, unlike all other religions, Christianity alone possesses a Founder who transcends death and who promises that His followers will do the same. All other religions were founded by men and prophets whose end was the grave.

Finally, Christ offers His salvation as a free gift (Romans 5:15; 6:23), that can only be received by faith, apart from any works or merit on our part (Ephesians 2:8–9). As the apostle Paul tells us, the gospel is “the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile” (Romans 1:16). The same inspired author tells us, “If you declare with your mouth, ‘Jesus is Lord,’ and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved” (Romans 10:9).

These, then, are the essential elements of the gospel: the sin of all men, the death of Christ on the cross to pay for those sins, the resurrection of Christ to provide life everlasting for those who follow Him, and the offer of the free gift of salvation to all.

www.gotquestions.org/gospel-message.html
 
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I don't mean any good news but the gospel about how we can be saved through Jesus.
That is my point Fish, the gospel has become an "only salvation" issue. You are saved by faith... the work is God's to do, not ours. Once we become His... again, by faith and by submitting to His Lordship... when then begin our walk of learning, growing, and walking in our calling. Salvation is not a "one time experience" but an ongoing life-long experience filled with highs and lows.

Even the Great Commission is misunderstood and applied today. We treat it as a call to convert the lost... but go read it... it is a call to TEACH those who have been drawn by God and are seeking. (John 6:44, Matthew 7:8)
 
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Why doesn't anyone preach the good news about Jesus in its COMPLETE and CORRECT form? I have heard and read too many half-gospels and clearly incorrect versions of it.

Is God preventing me from getting to the saving knowledge? Is something restricting my access to the true gospel?

And most importantly, WHAT IS THE GOSPEL?????

The day is soon over and I have again spent my few hours of free time in this endless process of finding the gospel!!!
Tv shows and video games, night clubs and concerts, inappropriate contentography and homosexuality, drunkards and druggies, false prophets and man's traditions, racism, terrorism, political corruption and the hearts of many wax cold as they lie and murder, and they steal and covet thy neighbor. They lust after their own flesh and neglect the spirit. They fill their bellies, but leave empty and starving their eternal gift of Salvation found only through Jesus Christ our Redeemer.

So if you fall into any of these categories, which help to lead you and to make void the word of God... stop, drop and pray to your creator for forgiveness of your sins in Jesus' name and ask Him to lead, guide and direct you. Ask Him to use you for his holy purposes and give him wonderful thanks for all that you have here on Earth. Ask him to bless each meal you have... for he provides, protects and comforts those who have everlasting faith in Him... our Lord Jesus Christ KING of KINGS and LORD of LORDS amen.
 
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Why doesn't anyone preach the good news about Jesus in its COMPLETE and CORRECT form? I have heard and read too many half-gospels and clearly incorrect versions of it.

Is God preventing me from getting to the saving knowledge? Is something restricting my access to the true gospel?

And most importantly, WHAT IS THE GOSPEL?????

The day is soon over and I have again spent my few hours of free time in this endless process of finding the gospel!!!
How do i post ?... Sorry to ask a silly question but i posted a thread an hour pr so ago and CANNOT figure out how to do anything but reply... Help please lol
 
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Why doesn't anyone preach the good news about Jesus in its COMPLETE and CORRECT form? I have heard and read too many half-gospels and clearly incorrect versions of it.

Is God preventing me from getting to the saving knowledge? Is something restricting my access to the true gospel?

And most importantly, WHAT IS THE GOSPEL?????

The day is soon over and I have again spent my few hours of free time in this endless process of finding the gospel!!!
Your fist sentence decrying people who don't preach a "Complete/Correct form," assumes that you know what that form is.

So it seems strange that you would then feign ignorance and ask for a description.

Why don't you post your view of a "Complete/Correct gospel," and why you think other views don't properly represent the data from the scriptures.

(Opps. I just read Albion's comment which makes my point above)
 
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How do i post ?... Sorry to ask a silly question but i posted a thread an hour pr so ago and CANNOT figure out how to do anything but reply... Help please lol
go out to the forum root where you want to post. If you go to the top of the page you will see two menu bars followed by the directory of the forum the post resides

"... General theology/ Salvation (Soteriology)"

Mouse over the "Salvation (Soteriology)" section and click

On the new page you will see a red button "Create New Post," click that button.
 
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go out to the forum root where you want to post. If you go to the top of the page you will see two menu bars followed by the directory of the forum the post resides

"... General theology/ Salvation (Soteriology)"

Mouse over the "Salvation (Soteriology)" section and click

On the new page you will see a red button "Create New Post," click that button.
Thank you gonna try now
 
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Why doesn't anyone preach the good news about Jesus in its COMPLETE and CORRECT form? I have heard and read too many half-gospels and clearly incorrect versions of it.

Is God preventing me from getting to the saving knowledge? Is something restricting my access to the true gospel?

And most importantly, WHAT IS THE GOSPEL?????

The day is soon over and I have again spent my few hours of free time in this endless process of finding the gospel!!!

The gospel has been from the beginning. The introduction of the Mankind race, the image of GOD, in defining the GOD of creation, not to the mankind race, but to the other celestial beings, the Cherubim, Seraphim and Angels, began the gospel.

The good news of the gospel is that the mortal man, who acquired a limited life span in the fall can live without tasting death at all, to defeat the mortal nature and death.

The first person to preach the gospel was the principal ancestor of Mankind, the one defining the GOD, made in HIS image and likeness. He was the one that experienced the fall. He raised and marked the first Angel of the First Church age, Enoch, who preached the gospel while running his race until he became born again and transfigured in life, completing his race, unto salvation, and has to leave the earth to heaven alive, because heaven is a real and physical place, not a ghost world.

Other Angels of different Church ages tried but couldn't complete their race, as many were defeated by ageing and the mortal nature. Elijah of Tishbe was the 2nd person to experience what it means to be born again in life without dying.

Living without dying is the salvation that awaits any mortal man who dares to do what it takes. This is the essence of the glorious command given to man in Genesis 1:26

This was what John 8:51-52 is all about
 
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Your fist sentence decrying people who don't preach a "Complete/Correct form," assumes that you know what that form is.

So it seems strange that you would then feign ignorance and ask for a description.

Why don't you post your view of a "Complete/Correct gospel," and why you think other views don't properly represent the data from the scriptures.

(Opps. I just read Albion's comment which makes my point above)
Your fist sentence decrying people who don't preach a "Complete/Correct form," assumes that you know what that form is.

So it seems strange that you would then feign ignorance and ask for a description.

Why don't you post your view of a "Complete/Correct gospel," and why you think other views don't properly represent the data from the scriptures.

(Opps. I just read Albion's comment which makes my point above)
My phone's browser crashed after I wrote a long answer, but I'll write a shorter one :(

A good gospel presentation should include the penalty of sin, the life, death and resurrection of Jesus, His righteousness' imputation to us and our sins to Him and our identification with His death and resurrection. Many messages only include 2-3 of these. I don't have enough understanding to combine these "puzzle pieces" to form a satisfying gospel.
 
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Tv shows and video games, night clubs and concerts, inappropriate contentography and homosexuality, drunkards and druggies, false prophets and man's traditions, racism, terrorism, political corruption and the hearts of many wax cold as they lie and murder, and they steal and covet thy neighbor. They lust after their own flesh and neglect the spirit. They fill their bellies, but leave empty and starving their eternal gift of Salvation found only through Jesus Christ our Redeemer.

So if you fall into any of these categories, which help to lead you and to make void the word of God... stop, drop and pray to your creator for forgiveness of your sins in Jesus' name and ask Him to lead, guide and direct you. Ask Him to use you for his holy purposes and give him wonderful thanks for all that you have here on Earth. Ask him to bless each meal you have... for he provides, protects and comforts those who have everlasting faith in Him... our Lord Jesus Christ KING of KINGS and LORD of LORDS amen.
Forgiving sins "in Jesus' name" means that the forgiveness is based on Jesus' work. I want to know what He exactly did for my good and how atonement works.
 
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My phone's browser crashed after I wrote a long answer, but I'll write a shorter one :(

A good gospel presentation should include the penalty of sin, the life, death and resurrection of Jesus, His righteousness' imputation to us and our sins to Him and our identification with His death and resurrection. Many messages only include 2-3 of these. I don't have enough understanding to combine these "puzzle pieces" to form a satisfying gospel.

I have the same problem since upgrading the OS on my iPad.

So perhaps a gospel sufficient for someone to trust God and confess Jesus as Lord is sufficient. Later they can develop a more complete understanding of Jesus work on the cross, man's condition without Christ, etc.

For Christ's work see Doctrine of Christ (Part 8) | Reasonable Faith
 
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I want to know how what He exactly did for my good and how atonement works.

You (and I) deserve to be forever rejected from God's presence. But Jesus' sacrifice represented him who knew no sin taking upon himself all the sins of mankind and paying for them with his own life. If we believe in and trust Jesus for that salvation, we will be saved through his sacrifice.

What's missing?
 
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