Is there a difference between being saved and born again?

[pantingdeer]

Is being saved when you first put your faith in Jesus? Is born again if the Holy Spirit enters you and you feel different?
Should you feel different if you’ve been saved? And once you’re saved does it matter what you do afterwards? Some people say it doesn’t but some people say it does (faith without works is nothing)?

Also is it hard to be saved or born again? Jesus said “narrow is the door” but if anyone can believe in Jesus and then continue on their life like nothing happened then that isn’t very hard. But some people believe your works don’t count and it was just the initial faith that matters.

 

[Radagast]

Is being saved when you first put your faith in Jesus? Is born again if the Holy Spirit enters you and you feel different?

It depends what you mean by "saved."

1. God chooses Christians ("election").
2. God calls Christians, through the preaching of the gospel.
3. Christians are regenerated by the Holy Spirit, turn away from their sins, and turn to Jesus.
4. God forgives the sins of Christians ("justification") and adopts them into His family.
5. Christians then go through a life-long process of becoming more holy ("sanctification"), by the Holy Spirit.
6. Eventually Christians are glorified in Heaven.

All of those things are aspects of "being saved." Here is a chart (the green part represents what has already happened, if you are a Christian):

 

[Goodhuman]

No, saved and born again are same. No, salvation comes when you deserve it. No, you feel same way. Yes, it is extremely hard and it takes extremely much time. If somebody tell you your works doesn't count, don't listen to him, this is heresy. Bible tells us we will be judged according to our works. We can't live in sin and expect to be saved. I don't know how exactly one get saved but for sure must repent of his sins if he have such and not do them again never.

 

[disciple Clint]

Is being saved when you first put your faith in Jesus? Is born again if the Holy Spirit enters you and you feel different?
Should you feel different if you’ve been saved? And once you’re saved does it matter what you do afterwards? Some people say it doesn’t but some people say it does (faith without works is nothing)?

Also is it hard to be saved or born again? Jesus said “narrow is the door” but if anyone can believe in Jesus and then continue on their life like nothing happened then that isn’t very hard. But some people believe your works don’t count and it was just the initial faith that matters.

Your works reflect your beliefs. You make decisions based on your values. If you have accepted Jesus and you are placing your faith in Him for salvation you are going to act based on the values that Jesus has given you. You are born again because you have become a new man in Christ, you no longer think or act like the old man. This is not to say you will not have moments when the flesh will cause you to sin but when you do you will repent and put your eyes back on Jesus. I would say your feelings will change only because your values will change. The Holy Spirit will enter your heart and help you in all things.

 

[Dave L]

Is being saved when you first put your faith in Jesus? Is born again if the Holy Spirit enters you and you feel different?
Should you feel different if you’ve been saved? And once you’re saved does it matter what you do afterwards? Some people say it doesn’t but some people say it does (faith without works is nothing)?

Also is it hard to be saved or born again? Jesus said “narrow is the door” but if anyone can believe in Jesus and then continue on their life like nothing happened then that isn’t very hard. But some people believe your works don’t count and it was just the initial faith that matters.

They are the same.

 

[pantingdeer]

If someone puts their faith in Jesus as their saviour, are they saved for evermore regardless of what follows?

 

[TzephanYahu]

Hi @Andrew98

Being saved is to happen on the Day of the Lord. We talk about it in past tense because of our faith on the matter, but we are actually still to be saved from damnation to eternal life.

Being born again refers to being born of the Holy Spirit. That is, to be baptised in the Holy Spirit (a separate event to water baptism) in which the Spirit lives in you and empowers you with a gift(s) for His glory and the edification of others and support and guidance to follow His commandments.

Also is it hard to be saved or born again? Jesus said “narrow is the door” but if anyone can believe in Jesus and then continue on their life like nothing happened then that isn’t very hard. B

You've assessed the matter wisely and this is surely evidence that the Father is opening your eyes.

The majority of Christians or perhaps I should say "mainstream Christianity" believe you just need to believe in His name and then case closed, you're saved. Not so. According to the Scriptures, old and new testament, faith in Him should mean obedience as well.

Now, that's not to say you are saved by obedience as salvation is by grace only in the Messiah’s sacrifice. However, to truly repent and walk in newness of the spirit means believing in the Messiah’s sacrifice AND words AND putting them into practice.

Therefore, ignore the popular manmade teachings of the church and attune your walk to the Bible only. The WHOLE Bible and not just preferred or "relevant" books only.

May Yahweh guide your every step in this matter and lead you into all truth in the name of His Son the Messiah.

Love & Shalom

 

[Radagast]

If someone puts their faith in Jesus as their saviour, are they saved for evermore regardless of what follows?

The Calvinist would say yes -- as long as they had truly put their faith in Jesus.

Of course, if "what follows" is that they reject Jesus, then they did not truly put their faith in Him.

 

[Radagast]

Being saved is to happen on the Day of the Lord. We talk about it in past tense because of our faith on the matter, but we are actually still to be saved from damnation to eternal life.

And this is why I posted the chart. We have been saved (election, calling, regeneration, conversion, justification). We are being saved (sanctification). We will be saved (glorification).

Some things are in the past, some things are in the present, and some things are in the future.

 

[pantingdeer]

And this is why I posted the chart. We have been saved (election, calling, regeneration, conversion, justification). We are being saved (sanctification). We will be saved (glorification).

Some things are in the past, some things are in the present, and some things are in the future.

I don’t believe in election. I don’t believe God can let people be born for eternal damnation without any hope of being saved.

 

[Radagast]

I don’t believe in election.

It's in the Bible. It's a fundamental Christian doctrine.

Matthew 24:31: And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Ephesians 1:3-10: Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.

 

[pantingdeer]

It's in the Bible. It's a fundamental Christian doctrine.

Matthew 24:31: And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Ephesians 1:3-10: Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.

Why when spreading the gospel do people not say “repent and put your faith in Jesus and hope you’re one of the elect”?

 

[Radagast]

Why when spreading the gospel do people not say “repent and put your faith in Jesus and hope you’re one of the elect”?

Because if you truly repent and put your faith in Jesus, then you are one of the elect.

That's who the elect are: those who truly repent and put their faith in Jesus.

 

[pantingdeer]

Because if you truly repent and put your faith in Jesus, then you are one of the elect.

It doesn’t say that in the bible.

 

[Radagast]

It doesn’t say that in the bible.

Yes, it does.

Romans 8:30: And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.

 

[pantingdeer]

Yes, it does.

Romans 8:30: And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.

That’s referring to who God called. Can I not put my faith in Jesus without having been called.

 

[Radagast]

That’s referring to who God called. Can I not put my faith in Jesus without having been called.

Well, no (in fact, nothing can happen outside the hand of God).

Acts 2:39: For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.

 

[pantingdeer]

Well, no (in fact, nothing can happen outside the hand of God).

Acts 2:39: For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.

So God let’s people be born with no hope of going to heaven?

 

[com7fy8]

If someone puts their faith in Jesus as their saviour, are they saved for evermore regardless of what follows?

Our Apostle Paul says >

"we" "who first trusted in Christ," in Ephesians 1:12. So, yes in getting saved and born again, a person trusts in Jesus. And the believing which Jesus means brings trusting and obeying. So, Jesus and Paul and our other New Testament writers mean the same thing.

Trusting Jesus brings a person to obey Jesus. So, if by "regardless of what happens" you mean a person does not change, this is not trusting in Christ.

And obeying includes how we submit to our Father in His peace >

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

This is part of our basic Christian calling > "in one body", Paul says, here.

And Jesus Himself has said, in calling to "all" >

"'Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.'" (Matthew 11;28-30)

So, Paul says we all are "called in one body" to submit to how our Father rules us in His peace. And Jesus calls to "all" to submit to His "yoke" so we have "rest for your souls." So, I can see that the two mean the same thing.

And will you feel living in God's peace which gives your soul rest? Yes. Will you feel and experience submitting to the "yoke" of Jesus which has you finding rest for your soul? Yes - - - if you live in God's peace with rest for your soul, you will feel this.

But this includes the process of refusing to give in to anti-love things, and living in God's family caring and sharing love, instead >

"Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you." (Ephesians 4:31-32)

So, by the way, this comes in sharing with other children of God . . . not in isolation with your own do-it-yourself stuff!! We help one another to get real correction and love's perfection in sharing with God and one another.

As far as I know, you feel things like bitterness and unforgiveness; and if you reject these things and live in God's peace which is immune to anti-love feelings and emotions, you will feel how you are because of not submitting to Satanic things messing with you. In God's peace with almighty immunity, you will feel being peaceful while you are being "kind" and "tenderhearted" and all-loving and generously forgiving "even as God in Christ forgave you."

Now there are people who claim how God has forgiven them for all sins "past, present, and future", and they say how God loves them "unconditionally", but then they say they will go to Heaven, no matter how they sin or even commit murder just before they die.

Well, if the day of judgment will be in Heaven, yes everyone will go to Heaven, but then will they all stay with Jesus??

And yes God loves us unconditionally, but this is our example required of us, so we likewise forgive "even as God". And Jesus says if we do not forgive, what will happen? > Mark 11:25. As God's children we live with God in His love which has us also being generously forgiving and unconditionally loving. Or else a person is not a child of this love.

And every person who is saved is a child of God who has this love living "in our hearts" >

"Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us." (Romans 5:5)

This love is God's own love in the Holy Spirit > Heaven's love in Heaven's Spirit, having Heaven's beauty and quality of pleasant rest and personal sharing with God and one another as His family. So, yes, we do feel this.

But Satan and his spirit feel horrible > his unforgiveness, frustration, lust for pleasure, anger and rage, boredom and loneliness, bitterness, arguing and complaining feel horrible and are so terribly degrading and anti-love. This is why people in Satan's kingdom are so desperate to feel pleasures > because they are trying to make themselves feel something nicer than their deep-down awful-mess of sin.

So Jesus has compassion for us. He does not want us to keep feeling and suffering in Satanic stuff. So, He calls "all" who are laboring and weary in sin, "and I will give you rest," He guarantees > Matthew 11:28-30.

 

[Goodhuman]

1 Timothy 2:3-4 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.