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...talks about in the last days, the people/masses will beg the government to disarm them? (To take their right to self defense away from them, willingly?)
I don't recall that one.
 
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...talks about in the last days, the people/masses will beg the government to disarm them? (To take their right to self defense away from them, willingly?).

The closest you're going to get to that is 1 Thessalonians 5:1-4. Maybe that's what you were referring to? ...it's that chasing after an assurance of "Peace and Safety" that people will confuse people.

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...talks about in the last days, the people/masses will beg the government to disarm them? (To take their right to self defense away from them, willingly?)

Nope. But Scripture does say that the day is coming when men will beat their swords into plowshares, their spears into pruning hooks, and would no longer know the art of war--this will be a glorious day when Christ has returned in glory, and God makes all things new, and every tear will be wiped from our eyes and there will be no more death--for death, the last enemy, will be defeated. And according to St. Justin and the other ancient fathers, Christians are a people for whom this is supposed to be true even now.

"And when the Spirit of prophecy speaks as predicting things that are to come to pass, He speaks in this way: "For out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. And He shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people; and they shall beat their swords into ploughshares, and their spears into pruning-hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more." And that it did so come to pass, we can convince you. For from Jerusalem there went out into the world, men, twelve in number, and these illiterate, of no ability in speaking: but by the power of God they proclaimed to every race of men that they were sent by Christ to teach to all the word of God; and we who formerly used to murder one another do not only now refrain from making war upon our enemies, but also, that we may not lie nor deceive our examiners, willingly die confessing Christ. For that saying, "The tongue has sworn but the mind is unsworn," might be imitated by us in this matter. But if the soldiers enrolled by you, and who have taken the military oath, prefer their allegiance to their own life, and parents, and country, and all kindred, though you can offer them nothing incorruptible, it were verily ridiculous if we, who earnestly long for incorruption, should not endure all things, in order to obtain what we desire from Him who is able to grant it." - St. Justin Martyr, First Apology ch. 39, c. 150 AD

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I thought in Revalations. it talked about in the last days in our desperation we would beg to be defeated, or some such.

The Apocalypse of St. John (also known as the Book of the Revelation) nothing like that is mentioned. But then, it also doesn't talk about the "end times" either, at least not specifically. Interpreting the book as being about the "end times" is one possible interpretation, but it is by no means the only one or even the most common interpretation. There are, generally speaking, four schools of interpretation for the Revelation:

1) Preterism - The book is primarily about things contemporary to the author and the time it was written, it is about the oppression of the Church (specifically the seven churches in Asia to which it is written) under Rome, which is characterized as the great harlot who rides the scarlet beast, both the scarlet beast and the beast whose name is numerically added up to six hundred and sixty-six refers perhaps most generally to the power and authority of Caesar, and possibly to Nero and/or Domitian more specifically (with Nero's name specifically being what adds up to 666, with Domitian possibly being the beast revived, a reference to the Nero Redivivus legend)

2) Historicism - The book is primarily about things that would happen from the time of John all the way until the end. As such its "fulfillment" has been ongoing over two thousand years now, and the things it talks about refer to any number of events, figures, and things throughout history. This view was taken up by the Protestant Reformers, notably Martin Luther and John Calvin, who believed that in their own time the figure of the beast and antichrist referred to the office of the papacy--not the Pope as a person, but rather the power and office of the papacy itself by its use of religious power to try and control the European governments and oppose the Reformation.

3) Futurism - The book is primarily about things that will happen shortly before the conclusion of history. This is the view which you are likely already familiar with, that the book is talking about the "end times". In this view "the beast" represents a final, climatic Antichrist figure who has taken hold over much of or all the world, and during this time judgments will be poured out by God against the world until the coming of Christ.

4) Idealism - The book is primarily about things which fit no particular period of history, past, present, or future; but rather speaks of spiritual matters and themes which are applicable at virtually any point in time, or which can be true depending on the circumstances. Thus, as an example, "the beast" isn't any particular person or thing or system, but refers more generally to any person, thing, or system which acts in such a way that is "beat"-like.

The complexity of the Revelation as an apocalyptic work means that it is inherently difficult to make sense of, because it is intentionally cryptic. In fact for the first 1,000 years of Christian history it was the most controversial book when it came to the question of what books should be part of the Biblical Canon. It received widespread acceptance for the most part fairly early in the Western churches, but never received widespread acceptance in the Eastern churches--Jerusalem, Alexandria, Antioch, and all the other churches in that part of the world and further. Even as late as the 12th century one could for example find Armenian Bibles without it. It's difficulty to try and decipher and understand is part of the reason for why it, historically, was controversial and was not easily recognized as Holy Scripture by much of the Church. Today we take it for granted as being part of the New Testament, but for nearly a millennium it was hotly debated.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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