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Is The Protestant Bible Heretical?

Discussion in 'Non-denominational' started by Lion Heart, May 31, 2002.

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  1. Lion Heart

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    There are those that contend that Rome rejects and burned only bibles which she herself printed and found to contain “heretical” interpretations.

    The Historical Record refutes such claims, and proves that Rome considered the Protestant Bible heretical and for this reason burned it and those who desired that the simple man should own for himself God's precious WORD.

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    Pope Pius VII in 1816, denounced Bible Societies as “a crafty device by which the very foundation of religion are undermined , a pestilence which must be remedied and abolished.” The authorized Catholic Dictionary records, with apparent satisfaction, that Leo XII, Pius VIII, and Pius IX have likewise , in turn warned Catholics against the Protestant Bible Societies.

    Leo XIII, in 1897, prohibited “all versions in any vernacular language made by non-Catholics, and especially those published by the Bible Societies.” In the document, he altogether prohibited “vernacular versions even by Catholics, unless approved by the Holy See or published under the vigilant care of the bishops with annotations.”

    Rome knows that an open Bible, without Notes, spells her ruin. For no Scripture teaches anything about Purgatory, the worship of Mary or the saints, or upholds the Confessional, the Mass and the priesthood.
    (quoted in “The Indian Christian, November, 1922)

    (Rev.) Dr. Cahill declared that “he would rather the Catholic should read the worst book of immorality that the Protestant Bible-- “that forgery of God’s Word, that slander of Christ.”
    (Roman Catholic Tablet, December 17, 1853 p. 804 )

    “Do you allow your flock to read the Bible at all?” said a writer in the Contemporary Review to a friend of his, a parish priest. “No , sir I do not; you forget that I am a physician, not a prisoner of souls.”
    (April 1894, p.576 )

    Romes greatest enemy is God’s Word. Rome’s hostility to the free circulation of the Bible is a matter of history.

    Even to this day in Roman Catholic countries, the Bible is almost unknown, and the public burning of Bibles (sent out by Bible Societies) in South America is an object lesson how she still seeks to hinder the circulation of God’s own Book whenever she has the power. Bibles were burnt in Rome as recently as 1923m in the public street.
    (Heresies Exposed by W.C. Irvine p. 140-141)

    “Among the chief machinations by which in our times non-Catholic of various denominations try to ensnare Catholic believers and turn their minds away from the holiness of their Faith, a prominent place is held by the Bible Societies. These societies, first instituted in England and since extended far and wide, we now behold in battle array, conspiring to translate the books of divine Scripture into all the popular languages, to issue immense numbers of copies, (referring to the KING JAMES BIBLE) to spread them indiscriminately among Christians and heathens, and to entice every individual to read them without any guidance.
    Pope Gregory XVI, Encyclical “Inter Praecipuas“, May 8, 1844 )


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    In Mexico and most all south American countries even today in the 21st Century, the Bible is not used by the Roman Catholic faithful, in the Phillipines, and other asian countries, the Bible is not encouraged as a source of personal study.

    William Tyndale was branded a heretic in the early 1850’s as well as John Rogers who was imprisoned and burned alive at the stake for the same offense of heresy in 1855, charged by the Bishop Tunstall of London



    "WHAT WAS THIER HERESY"
    Historical link; below;


    http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/tyndale.htm



    I have posted this as refutation to all those who would even pervert history on this matter.

    Man can say what he wants, but history proves otherwise.

    Unity amongst those that seek to unify must at least acknowledge the historical record of fact.



    His words are the words of LIFE.



    RICHARD
     
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  2. KC Catholic

    KC Catholic Everybody's gone surfin'...Surfin' U.S.A

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    Nice link.

    Hmmm...

    Checked out your link..seems www.biblelight.net has a lot interesting comments about Catholics.

    Of course, you have to scroll down to find the real nature of this website.

    You've confirmed for me at least your true intentions.

    Thanks!
     
  3. Lion Heart

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    kc


    It's obvious nothing I say will, satisfy you, the link I posted is one of 100's of links conserning the life and death of boith of these men; you can search the subject out yourself,

    goto google.com and puncj in Wiliam Tyndale.


    And read any one of them, whether you believe the history or not, it won't change the facts one bit.


    Quit trying to discredit the facts.




    Richard
     
  4. isshinwhat

    isshinwhat Pro Deo et Patria

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    I know of no one who says this. Could you point me to a link, perhaps?


    What a substantial argument, Richard! That is amazing :rolleyes: We have given you Scripture that we feel supports our Faith. If you don't like our interpretation, at least recognize that we have Scripture we gleaned that teaching from.

    No, Sir. The Bible is oen of Rome's greatest gifts. By the Holy Spirit, it is what brought me into the Church. The Catholic Church has always promoted the reading of Scripture, as long as it was interpreted with her guidance. If you take issue with that, so be it, but your quotes from Popes speak of Bibles in the vernacular being read with no hindrance, save for insurance of proper instruction and not private interpretation.

    Their fears were the lack of guidance in study and the Scriptures being corrupted through mistranslation, not the people having access to them. The entire Greek and Arab speaking world had access to them in their native languages and their Faith, the Orthodox Christianity, is very similar to Catholicism. Since the written language of Europe was Latin, the literate Europeans also had access to the Scriptures. Those who were illiterate were taught through art or through some of the early vernacular...I'll call them booklets... which had key passages translated into the common tongue.

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  5. Lion Heart

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    kc, furthermore,

    Your being disengenious;



    The link you posted, and credit to me is not at

    ALL PART OF THE LINK I HAVE GIVEN YOU.


    Forgive me for saying it, but

    You are being deceptive!

    I had hoped more than few moderators would be honest.








    Richard
     
  6. Lion Heart

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    Look for the Padre Pio link on this forum, kc can help you.
     
  7. isshinwhat

    isshinwhat Pro Deo et Patria

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    I can't find it, I probably overlooked it. Would you paste it for me, please?

    Neal
     
  8. isshinwhat

    isshinwhat Pro Deo et Patria

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    The only thing I could find was Vow's quote from the Personal relationship thread.

    From Lion Heart
    Nowhere do I see anyone claim that they only burned bad Catholic Bibles.

    Neal
     
  9. VOW

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    To LionHeart:

    Lovely piece of information there, LH. However, you left out one important fact: the LITERACY RATES in those countries is abysmal. Even if each person owned a STACK of Bibles, it would do no good since they cannot read.

    For all the statements you gave by Popes, may we have references please? I'd like to read their statements IN CONTEXT. You have proven repeatedly that you twist the words to suit your needs.

    Question: Why was the Catholic Bible sufficient until MARTIN LUTHER began his "editing"? Are you aware he wanted to cut books from the NEW TESTAMENT, but was "persuaded" by one of his henchmen that he was hurting his own cause by his actions.


    Peace be with you,
    ~VOW
     
  10. KC Catholic

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    Look at the bottom of the page you posted.

    There at the bottom is this link:

    http://www.biblelight.net/ along with http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/

    both of which leads you to a page filled with Anti-Catholic pages, tracts and links.

    Shall I do a Print screen and show you?

    I am not discrediting anything but your intentions to "share history" with us. You have a motive behind your threads.
     
  11. Wolseley

    Wolseley Beaucoup-Diên-Cai-Dāu

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    Richard, I draw your attention to Rule #7 of these forums: "No public disagreements with Staff".

    If you have a problem with the moderators, then take it to Administration in a private message or an E-mail. Do not make snide remarks in an open forum.

    You may consider this a warning. And judging from some of the remarks you've been making lately, you're on thin ice anyway. You may discuss, and you may debate---but you may not denegrate, deride, or attempt to discredit. This goes for Catholicism, Protestantism, or any other other Judeo-Christian faith system. Either lighten up, or you will be taking a vacation.
     
  12. Julie

    Julie ONLY JESUS CHRIST SAVES

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    The only thing men ever learn from history is, men never learn from history.
    Julie :pink:













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    For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
     
  13. Thunderchild

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    According to the Roman Catholic Encyclopaedia, any Bible which does not include the "proper" (my parenthesis) commentary is not a translation, but a perversion.

    As the Catholic Encyclopaedia IS the official organ of the Church of Rome, that statement can be considered to be authoritive.
     
  14. VOW

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    To Thunderchild:

    I haven't heard THAT one before. It's my understanding that the Catechism of the Catholic Church is the be-all, end-all authority.

    I'd be inclined to ask which EDITION of the Catholic Encyclopedia you're quoting from!


    Peace,
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  15. VOW

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    To Thunderchild:

    I found this information at www.newadvent.org about the Catholic Encyclopedia:

    Thus the Catholic Encyclopedia was NOT produced by the Catholic Church. It is wonderful as an information source, but it is not considered to be official dogma, doctrine, or discipline of the Catholic Church.


    Peace be with you,
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  16. Thunderchild

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    Hmmm. I was told that the Catholic Encyclopaedia had full approval of the Vatican and was to be considered authoritive on all matters pertaining to the Church of Rome.

    quoting from the preface of the Catholic Encyclopaedia itself....



    If that is not the case perhaps you could refer us to the proper authority for checking the true teachings of the Church of Rome.
     
  17. VOW

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    To Thunderchild:

    When a book bears the mark "imprimatur" it means it has been examined and it contains nothing that contrary to the teachings of the Catholic faith. "Nihil Obstat" means it contains no error. It's not a thumbprint of the Pope, declaring the book to be an absolute authority.

    For the be-all, end-all source of Catholic teaching, I direct you to the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
    http://www.christusrex.org/www1/CDHN/ccc.html


    Peace be with you,
    ~VOW
     
  18. Wolseley

    Wolseley Beaucoup-Diên-Cai-Dāu

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    You can check out the Catechism of the Catholic Church, found here:

    http://www.kofc.org/faith/catechism/catechism.cfm

    Decrees of Ecumenical Councils can be found here:

    http://www.piar.hu/councils/~index.htm

    Papal encyclicals, documents, and other sources can be found here:

    http://www.newadvent.org/docs/

    The Code of Canon Law can be found here:

    http://www.ourladyswarriors.org/canon/

    All of the above are just about as official as you can get. Happy reading. :)
     
  19. Reformationist

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    Come on VOW. :sigh: I see that Lion Heart gets under your skin but to imply that people who adhere to the teachings of Martin Luther do so using the "edited" version of the Bible is arrogant and unsubstantiated except by the RCC and her sympathizers. In essence, all you've said here is that anyone who does not use the "Catholic Bible" is using the "edited version." And if that is what you meant to say, what is your opinion of the faith of the Protestants? Is that, too, edited?

    Talk about inflammatory. :rolleyes:

    And for that matter, you regularly talk about reading stuff in context and seeing valid sources for people's claims regarding your church. I say, "practice what you preach." Cite some sources for your account of Luther's blasphemous actions. And for the record, I mean blasphemous against God, not actions that are in rebellion to the RCC.

    I do not agree with the way Lion Heart addresses the Catholic faith but no one is ever justified in responding in ungodliness.

    God bless.
     
  20. VOW

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    To Reformationist:

    Here is a link to St Augustine's writings, where he himself lists the canon of the Old Testament and the New Testament:
    http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/NPNF1-02/npnf1-02-05.htm#P143_33888

    And FYI, if you do a forum search on Martin Luther, you'll find a thread I started on him, and quoted extensively from his own words showing his mindset when he went about his translation to the Bible. I also gave a link.

    And MORE FYI: the source for Martin Luther was a NON-Catholic one.

    The thread got so inflammatory it had to be locked. It was pronounced blatant "PROTESTANT BASHING" by non-Catholic members even though it was just quoting from Martin Luther. Interesting how his own words were considered to be Protestant bashing, hmmm?


    Peace be with you,
    ~VOW
     
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