IS THE LORD'S DAY REALLY SUNDAY OR GOD'S SABBATH DAY?

[Oldmantook]

In other words, the Sabbath was fulfilled 2000 years ago by the Savior, and hence has passed away.

Fulfilled does not entail passed away as Jesus himself stated that he did not come to abolish the law.

 

[DamianWarS]

It seems to me that you are arguing that Sunday is not the Sabbath day. You are right, it is not. It never has been nor ever will be. Trying to use Greek terms will not change that one way or the other...

The Sabbath indeed not mean Sunday but what about The Lord's day? What does κυριακῇ mean in modern greek? why does it mean this?

 

[Oldmantook]

Gathering on the first day of the week is a biblical tradition.

Acts 20:7
On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight.

The problem is that is not what the verse states. In the Greek, the verse reads: en de ho heis ho sabbaton. First of all, the word "day" is not in the Greek text." Instead it actually reads "on one of the sabbaths...."

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

What does κυριακῇ mean in modern greek?

It is definitely Sunday in Greek

 

[Solomon Smith]

κύριος γάρ ἐστιν τοῦ σαββάτου ὁ υἱὸς τοῦ ἀνθρώπου

Is this supposed to mean something or change some meaning.

 

[Danthemailman]

Matthew 12:8 actually doesn’t call the Sabbath “The Lord’s Day”.

Amen! In Matthew 12:8, Jesus was rebuking the Pharisees who accused the disciples of doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath, which does not prove the Lord's Day is Saturday. Sabbatarians maintain that the "Lord's Day" is the Sabbath and maintain that Jesus said he was Lord of the Sabbath, however that is a weak argument and the actual evidence for the first day (Sunday) is stronger.

In all the 5 books that John wrote, he always called the Sabbath "the Sabbath." If Revelation 1:10 was the Sabbath, John would have said, "I was in the Spirit on the Sabbath." This gives stronger evidence that it was not the Sabbath, but the first day of the week - Sunday.

Jesus rose on the first day (Sunday - Matthew 28:1 - After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week..) The Holy Spirit was given on Pentecost Acts 2:1, which always falls on a Sunday. Early writings referred to Sunday as the Lord's day, as you correctly pointed out in post #9.

 

[DamianWarS]

The problem is that is not what the verse states. In the Greek, the verse reads: en de ho heis ho sabbaton. First of all, the word "day" is not in the Greek text." Instead it actually reads "on one of the sabbaths...."

Matthew 28:1 establishes its use as Sunday by detailing After the Sabbath (Opse de sabbaton) at dawn (te epiphoskouse) on the first day of the week (eis mian sabbaton) This use is undeniable that "eis mian sabbaton" is Sunday and it shows us how "one sabbath" is used. the first day of the week is "one sabbath" the second day is "two sabbath" and so on. This was the Hebrew method of counting days in the first century.

this is actually a good point because it shows how important the Sabbath was to Jews as the entire days of the week was used to indicate where the sabbath is. You wouldn't say "on the seventh day of the week" or "seven sabbath" as it is the culmination of the week that every day points to and it is just called Sabbath.

John, a Jewish born believer, I don't think would dare rename the Sabbath and he would still have great respect towards it and continue to call it the Sabbath. But as numbering your days of the week towards the Sabbath shows strong value to the Sabbath early Christians may have started to also name the day of the week that was most important to them as "The Lord's Day"; a day that now stands on it's own and no longer is counted by how close it is to the Sabbath. This is strong significance by going away from the Sabbath system and declaring a new system simply by using a new name for a day of the week. John was not walking on the first day of the sabbaths, he was walking on a new day, the Lord's day.

 

[parousia70]

The following terms are used synonymously in scripture:

The Wrath of the Lord = The Lord's Wrath
The Grace of the Lord = The Lord's Grace
The Mercy of the Lord = The Lord's Mercy
and,
The Day of the Lord = The Lord's Day

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Is this supposed to mean something or change some meaning.

It is the entire passage in Greek

 

[Solomon Smith]

It is the entire passage in Greek

And does that change the meaning?

 

[klutedavid]

Yet the writings of the Church fathers are not God's WORD and not in the bible for a reason.

Your posts are not scripture either.

We are forced to accept the early church letters to build the New Testament. Without the letters of the first four centuries, the New Testament does not exist.

For some reason you seem to accept the canon of New Testament, and then reject the very people that identified the letters of the New Testament?

You believe in a logical paradox.

 

[klutedavid]

Brother these are only writings from the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH. You have not provided a single scripture to show that the "LORD'S DAY" is Sunday. Yet there is scripture saying that the "LORD'S DAY" is the SABBATH DAY *MATTHEW 12:8

I don't think any scholar believes the Didache to have originated in Rome. Syria is a candidate and so is Jerusalem.

Where did you get the idea that the Didache was from Rome?

 

[Solomon Smith]

The Day of the Lord = The Lord's Day

No.

 

[Solomon Smith]

I don't think any scholar believes the Didache to have originated in Rome. Syria is a candidate and so is Jerusalem.

Where did you get the idea that the Didache was from Rome?

He didn’t do his research on what I posted.

 

[ToServe]

"Something greater than the temple is here."

If the priestly sabbath was sanctioned through the Old Testament Temple construct, then Jesus is greater than their temple and greater than their sabbath.

The Son of Man is the Lord of the Sabbath which implies his Sabbath is not their temple driven sabbaths. The Lord's Sabbath identifies him as the Creator of Genesis and Jesus distinguishes himself as the Lord of the Sabbath completely apart from the OT priestly sanctioned sabbaths.

That is why the Hebrews 4 writer addresses the Jews under the Old Testament that they did not enter God's Rest Day and could not have entered God's Rest Day, which is the Lord's Day. The only means by which access was granted to enter God's Sabbath was when Christ brought restoration to the Garden story and with restoration, he became the Tree of Life for those who wanted to eat from the Tree of Life to be restored onto God as a New Creation owing to the Last Adam Jesus Christ.

So in this regard, the first Adam no longer is our father, because we have died and been buried with Christ to be born of the Last Adam who has become our Father through adoption.

Therefore the Sabbath that we born again new creation in Christ Jesus entered is the Lord's Day which no other Old Testament subject had entered.

If people revert back to the Old Testament 24 hour day of the week Saturday, then they are refusing to enter God's Rest Day by demonstrating their disobedience. Hebrews 4 writes to the Judaisers because they continue to observe a day of a week made for man, rather than to enter God's Rest Day.

The Sabbath that born-again believers in Christ enter is the true Sabbath owing to the New Testament Holy Spirit Temple Construct.

Old Testament sabbaths were once sanctioned by a desolate priestly house, which was really a mark handed down by man, as in the mark of the beast. The Sabbath we enter as in present perfect tense of the verb "Have entered" is the true Sabbath of God and therefore we are in full obedience to commandment number 4.

Mainstream and historic Christianity commemorates the Crucifixion of Christ as the Lord's Day where Jesus our Creator God of Genesis made the restoration for man and rested from his Holy works on the Cross at Calvary.

Why would any born-again Christian consider observing a 24-hour sabbath made for man?

 

[prodromos]

Your challenge in this OP is to prove that the Lord's DAY is in reference to the First day of the week and prove it from the scriptures.

It is an easily verifiable fact that Christians have always referred to the first day of the week as "the Lord's Day", so to demand that it be proven from Scripture is a silly request. I could just as easily demand that you prove that you are who you claim to be from Scripture. It makes just as much sense.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

"IS THE LORD'S DAY REALLY SUNDAY OR GOD'S SABBATH DAY? "

Why does it matter?

Hi brother GingerBeer, nice to see you here and welcome.

Good question. God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSLAMS 119:172 and if we break any one of them we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

Many follow the teachings and the traditions Sunday worship handed down from the Roman Catholic Church out of ignorance because it is what they have been taught to believe. However, there is not one scripture in all of God's WORD that says God's 4th Commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day. The same as there is no scripture that says that the LORD'S DAY is SUNDAY.

God says that in time of ignorance he winks at but when a knowledge of the truth is come calls all men everywhere to repent and follow his Word. God is a Spirit and those who worship him must worship him in Spirit and in truth. JESUS says those who follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of GOD are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Ok, for the moment lets drop the prior argument and not because I withdraw it, but because it may be best to add to it at this point.

At what point in the Bible did it change from this particular commandment being given to the Isrealites specifically, to being given all men/Christians? Remember, it was originally a sign, specifically, between them and Him.

The following clearly says it was intended for the Isrealites, and I quote 2 versions, always starting with the KJV.

Exodus 31:12-18 King James Version (KJV)
12 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you.

14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.


Exodus 31:12-18 New International Version (NIV)
12 Then the Lord said to Moses, 13 “Say to the Israelites, ‘You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the Lord, who makes you holy.

14 “‘Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it is to be put to death; those who do any work on that day must be cut off from their people. 15 For six days work is to be done, but the seventh day is a day of sabbath rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day is to be put to death. 16 The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. 17 It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.’”

18 When the Lord finished speaking to Moses on Mount Sinai, he gave him the two tablets of the covenant law, the tablets of stone inscribed by the finger of God.

Hello Kenny, so in your view you are making an argument here to try and state that God's 4th Commandment which is one of the 10 Commandments written on two tables of stone by God alone is not for God's people today because it is ... Given to ISRAEL alone.

The problem with this argument is that it does not agree with God's WORD. Why? Because God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSLAMS 119:172 and if we break any one of them we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

The argument that you have made in this post is the same as saying that because the 10 Commandment were given to ISRAEL then Christians are ok to lie, steal and murder, worship other God's, commit adultery. You do not believe this now do you brother? But that is the very argument you are making above.

God's 10 Commandments are are duty of LOVE to GOD and LOVE to man and is why JESUS says in his ownwords "ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS (Love to God and man) HANG ALL THE LAW and the prophets *MATTHEW 22:36-40.

According to God's WORD if you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Gentile believers are now grafted in to God's ISRAEL *ROMANS 11:16-23.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts brother.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Do you consider the day Jesus resurrected important?

There is no scripture in all of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day. This is a teaching and traditions of men handed down from the Roman Catholic Church that has led many to break the commandment of God. I believe however the scriptures teach that God's people are in every Church living up to all the light God has revealed to them. Those who love God's WORD will hear his Voice (the Word of God) and come out to worship him in Spirit and in truth. JESUS says that those who knowingly follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9. In times of ignorance God winks at but when a knowledge of the truth is come calls all men everywhere to repent and follow his Word *ACTS 17:30-31

God's sheep hear his Voice (the Word of God)

May God bless you brother as you seek him through his WORD.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The ECF confirm that “The Lord’s Day” is indeed Sunday.

Nope the ECF is not the Word of God. There is not one scripture in all of God's WORD that says that God's 4th commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day. The same as there is not one scripture in all of God's WORD that says that the "LORD'S DAY" is Sunday or the first day of the week.

Yet we can ask the question and read God's answer in God's WORD...

WHICH DAY IS THE LORD'S DAY?

MATTHEW 12:8 [8], FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY

Yep seems like God's SABBATH DAY is the LORD'S DAY alright.

God bless you as you seek him through his Word.