IS THE LORD'S DAY REALLY SUNDAY OR GOD'S SABBATH DAY?
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Which day does NOT belong to the Lord Jesus?
On which day are we FORBIDDEN to worship?
The Sabbath commandment in the Decalogue is not about worship, but a rest from labor that extended even to one's employees, slaves, and farm animals.
BTW--The name of the last book in the NT does not end with an S.
Here is the Eastern tradition about the real significance of the Sabbath:
Great Moses mystically prefigured this present day when he said, ‘And God blessed the seventh day’. For this is the blessed Sabbath; this is the day of rest on which the only-begotten Son of God rested from all his works, through the dispensation in accordance with death, he kept the Sabbath in the flesh; and returning once again to what he was through the Resurrection he has granted us eternal life, for he alone is good and loves mankind.
In othe words, the Sabbath was fulfilled 2000 years ago by the Savior, and hence has passed away.
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I've already expressed (to the wrong person" the Eastern Chritians' understanding of the weekly Sabbath.
However, we also teach that this reference in Revelation (note there is no S at the end of the name, btw) is referring not to a day of the week, but to the period of time called "the Day of the Lord."
Remember when Jesus said, "Abraham rejoiced to see My day." You don't think he was referring to the Saturday sabbath, or any 24 hour period, do you?
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I dunno why you wait for a Saturday to be the Lord’s day, but everyday is the Lords day on my end.
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Everyday is the is the day the Lord has made and some of us worship every day, and I rest on Saturday as the Lord had suggested. Sunday is the day I celebrate the resurrection of our Lord Jesus and ensure I celebrate it by going to the Eucharist.
So to argue over which day we should set aside to worship God simply doesn't make sense to me, maybe it is just another way to ignore the teaching of Jesus' inclusion of all brothers and sisters in Christ. After all we are the Body of Christ.
So to argue over which day we should set aside to worship God simply doesn't make sense to me, maybe it is just another way to ignore the teaching of Jesus' inclusion of all brothers and sisters in Christ. After all we are the Body of Christ.
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The Lord's Day before the Cross was to serve as an illustration to the Lord's day rest after the Cross.
One was a 'type' projecting to the 'anti-type' to come.
The 'anti-type' rest day is no longer applicable in the flesh under the 'type' Mosaic temple construct, but is spiritual under the 'anti-type' Holy Spirit Temple construct.
Read Hebrews 4 and Romans 8 and discern that we entered the 'anti-type' Lord's rest day from Pentecost. We commemorate this day as Sunday which is really the eighth day.
Why Sunday is the eighth day and the restoration of the Garden, which gives us access to the Tree of Life Jesus Christ?
Why we commemorate Sunday as the 'anti-type' rest day that is eternal and separate from the fleshly 24 hours days of the week?
Sunday becomes Christ centred, which points to the Tree of Life in the centre of the Garden.
A Sabbath-Rest for the People of God
1Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it. (Hebrews 4)
The promise of entering his rest still stands alluding to the spiritual application of entering and not by a fleshly entering.
3Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said,
“So I declared on oath in my anger, ‘They shall never enter my rest.’ ”
The 'type' Sabbaths were not God's rest, for they were made for man as Jesus said.
The 'anti-type' Sabbath in the singular is eternal and it is made for God and is the Present Perfect Tense.
example of this tense is: "have entered." "Have" is the present tense and "entered" is the past participle.
The book of Hebrews is to the Abrahamic Jews and addresses the Jews to whom the Gospel was proclaimed first and did not enter that rest because of their disobedience. The Hebrews writer declares they still have a chance to enter the Sabbath Rest today if they come to the Cross in the centre of God's Garden.
6Therefore since it still remains for some (Jews) to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience, 7God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.”
Therefore, though the unbelieving Jews who rejected the Gospel still observed the Mosaic Sabbaths they still were prevented from entering God's rest day because of their refusal to do so owing to their unbelief. This means that the Sabbath after the Cross is not a fleshly ordenance and is Christ centred at the feet of the Cross.
Observing the 'type' fleshly Sabbath as opposed to the 'anti-type' eighth day Sabbath which is commemorated on Sunday pointing to the Cross in the centre of the Garden is to worship the mark of the beast.
Any observance of a 24 hour day Sabbath becomes a mark of the beast that is of man, for 24 hour Sabbath was made for man, in contrast to the Sabbath made for God on the Cross.
God who is Jesus Christ worked and on His Cross he rested from his works, by giving access to man to eat from the Tree of Life, after making restoration.
The spiritual restoration is the works of God that he completed when he said it is finished and then rested from his works on the Cross.
There are two Sabbaths, one is for man/beast and the other for God.
Mark 2:27
"The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.
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Gathering on the first day of the week is a biblical tradition.
Acts 20:7
On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight.
On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight.
1 Corinthians 16:1-3
Now concerning the collection for the saints: as I directed the churches of Galatia, so you also are to do. On the first day of every week, each of you is to put something aside and store it up, as he may prosper, so that there will be no collecting when I come. And when I arrive, I will send those whom you accredit by letter to carry your gift to Jerusalem.
Now concerning the collection for the saints: as I directed the churches of Galatia, so you also are to do. On the first day of every week, each of you is to put something aside and store it up, as he may prosper, so that there will be no collecting when I come. And when I arrive, I will send those whom you accredit by letter to carry your gift to Jerusalem.
Matthew 12:8 / Mark 2:27-28 is not calling the Sabbath "The Lord's Day". The line "the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath" does not equate to the Sabbath is "The Lord's Day". and this is a great as assumption as you are accusing.
why is it called the "Lord's Day"? Because it is the day Christ rose from the grave and it is a celebration of this. which is why we gather together to celebrate the Lord which is not a value of the Sabbath.
Matthew 28:1
Now after the Sabbath, toward the dawn of the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the tomb.
Now after the Sabbath, toward the dawn of the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the tomb.
Mark 16:1-2
When the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, so that they might go and anoint him. And very early on the first day of the week, when the sun had risen, they went to the tomb.
Mark 16:9
[Now when he rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons.
When the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, so that they might go and anoint him. And very early on the first day of the week, when the sun had risen, they went to the tomb.
Mark 16:9
[Now when he rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons.
John 20:1-2
Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb.
Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb.
Scripture firmly establishes that Christ rose on the first day of the week and it establishes there was an early tradition to meet on the first day of the week. These things are undeniable but is the first day of the week "the Lord's Day". Well as you have figured out there is no scripture that explicitly says the first day of the week is the Lord's day (as there is no scripture that says the Sabbath is the Lord's Day") . So how do we know what day of the week it is?
Given Revelation is the last book written and the first book that mentioned the phrase "The Lord's Day" it shows us it is a type of a colloquialism where the phrase itself it not self evident which day of the week it is and is contextually based. When John uses it he seems confident enough that his audience knows it's meaning without further needing to explain what it means. No other place in scripture uses it and perhaps it is because the phrase was not yet coined or widely used. This shows us that it is a later developed phrase based on a day that is important to Christians that has strong connections with Christ.
Rev 1:10 doesn't explain it further but biblical cross references often connect it with the aforementioned verses regarding the early value of Christians meeting on the first day of the week. such as ESV, NIV, NASB, NKJV, AMP, EXB and paraphrases just plainly say "Sunday" like the Message or other versions like the New Matthew Bible or the Wycliffe Bible. I was unable to find a single version that references the Sabbath or the Lord of the Sabbath reference. The word used for "The Lord's Day" is Kyriake (κυριακῇ) and this is the regular word of "Sunday" in modern greek, go ahead check it out. I'm sure you would cite corruption but all of history and modern scholars would disagree, the Lord's Day is in fact the first day of the week.
If you ignore all of these and choose to base it upon your own interpretations of scripture then how is this any better than what you suggest you are speaking against? Scripture supports the early Christian value of gathering together on the first day of the week and it has a waning focus for the Sabbath. Without knowing any history it is more logical to choose the first day of the week from scripture alone but using history and scholarly research the matter is indisputable as the first day of the week.
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God entered His rest day. Please note and underline His Rest Day.
Did Adam enter the Lord's Rest Day?
Yes, because Adam was in a state of peace and harmony with God before the fall and had full access to the Tree of Life in the center of the Garden.
Did Adam have access to the Lord's Rest Day after the fall?
No.
Did the Old Covenant peoples enter the Sabbath Rest Day of God?
No.
Why?
Because man was in a state of disarray and there was no atonement at present that would restore them, so that they can be granted access to the Tree of Life.
What was the Sabbath that the Mosaic Aaronic priesthood applied all about?
It was designated by God for them, so that it would serve them rather than the other way around.
Is the Sabbath that God rested on the same as the Sabbath that the Old Covenant peoples observed?
No.
God would explicitly divorce himself from their Sabbaths, by identifying them as their Sabbaths.
Stop bringing me your meaningless gifts; the incense of your offerings disgusts me! As for your celebrations of the new moon and the Sabbath and your special days for fasting--they are all sinful and false. I want no more of your pious meetings. (Isaiah 1:13)
I will stop all her celebrations: her yearly festivals, her New Moons, her Sabbath days--all her appointed festivals. (Hosea 2:11)
God is saying it is your Sabbaths and her Sabbaths and not his, get it!
Jesus says that these Sabbaths were made for man and not for God. (Mark 2:27)
Scripture explicitly states that their Sabbaths were not God's rest day because God said they shall never enter My Rest.
God's Sabbath is not the Sabbaths that the Ancient Israelites observed according to their priestly customs.
Hebrews 4
Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it. 2 For we also have had the good news proclaimed to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because they did not share the faith of those who obeyed. 3Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said,
“So I declared on oath in my anger, ‘They shall never enter my rest.’ ”
After the Cross the breach in the Garden was restored and the Tree of Life became Christ Jesus who granted access to those who fall at the foot of his Cross, so that we can enter God's Rest Day as Adam had before the fall.
The 24 hour of the day Saturday that the SDA people speak of as the Lord's Day was never God's rest day in the first place and this was the greatest misconception that their prophetess Ellen White had.
Now that Ellen White has been corrected a hundred years later by a simpleton.
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It seems to me that you are arguing that Sunday is not the Sabbath day. You are right, it is not. It never has been nor ever will be. Trying to use Greek terms will not change that one way or the other...
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The Sabbath was made for Adam, Adam was not made for the Sabbath. Adam was created first, on the 6th day, then came the Sabbath on the 7th day.
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I definitely don’t think “The Lord’s Day” is Sunday, but I don’t think it’s the Sabbath, either
It makes more sense overall, that John was in the Spirit on the Day of the LORD/Day of Yahweh that we read about in the Prophets, considering what John saw and wrote down.
It makes more sense overall, that John was in the Spirit on the Day of the LORD/Day of Yahweh that we read about in the Prophets, considering what John saw and wrote down.
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EVERY day is the Lord's day.
He made them all, and if we are serious about him being Lord of our lives, we can't just give him one day to worship, pray, listen to his word and so on.
We belong to Jesus, live in Jesus, testify to Jesus, pray, worship and listen to God's word EVERY day; or should do. Sunday - resurrection day - is just the time that we choose to meet up with other Christians to learn from, and encourage, one another. Meeting on a Friday, Wednesday or whenever would be just as valid.
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The day that Jesus rose from the dead is important but that is not the same as saying the day of the week or month or date in the year is to be set aside as a holy day or something.
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