• Welcome to Christian Forums
  1. Welcome to Christian Forums, a forum to discuss Christianity in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

  2. The forums in the Christian Congregations category are now open only to Christian members. Please review our current Faith Groups list for information on which faith groups are considered to be Christian faiths. Christian members please remember to read the Statement of Purpose threads for each forum within Christian Congregations before posting in the forum.

Featured Is the land restoration to the nation of Israel found in the new covenant?

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by claninja, Jun 19, 2019.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. MitchW

    MitchW New Member Supporter

    44
    +63
    United States
    United Ch. of Christ
    Married
    I agree with this statement. The 40 million Christian Zionists in America will inherit the Holy Land and JOIN with the Jews to create ONE PEOPLE.

    The Jewish People are much more than the Jewish religion. They are ALL Christ's People joined into ONE People with those of the Jewish Religion combined with the Christian Zionists.
     
  2. BABerean2

    BABerean2 Newbie Supporter

    +4,912
    Christian
    Married
    Are you promoting some form of Dual Covenant Theology?


    1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
    1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.





    Does a man now have a relationship with God based on who his parents would be?
     
    Last edited: Aug 7, 2019
    • Like Like x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
    • List
  3. Contenders Edge

    Contenders Edge Well-Known Member Supporter

    925
    +116
    United States
    Christian
    Married
    US-Others


    “Your version is the one that assumes the Book of Revelation is in chronological order, because you are ignoring "the time of the judgment of the dead" in Revelation 11:18.”




    That is because it is written in a chronological order. As for Revelation 11:18, the judgment of the dead does not take place until God has poured out His wrath upon the earth. The rest of the book of Revelation goes into greater detail about those coming events.




    Your version is the one that ignores the symbolism in the Book of Revelation.
    Do you think Satan can be bound with a steel chain, like one from the hardware store?
    Are wicked angels already chained in the two verses below?”





    While I do not deny that there is symbolism in the book of Revelation, the symbolism is generally explained. But there is no evidence that the chains with which Satan and other dark angels are bound with are symbolic. They are literal chains. Just not the kind that you would find in a hardware store. But none of this is relevant to this thread.





    When does the fire come in Revelation chapter 20?



    Revelation 20:7-15




    “Your version must ignore a tremendous amount of New Testament scripture to work.
    For example, in the verse below Paul reveals the timing of the judgment of both the living and the dead, which occurs at His appearing.”




    What New Testament work have I ignored? Your Preterist doctrine on the other hand ignores the “full counsel” or “totality” of scripture, which requires examining both Old and New Testament scriptures on any given matter, in order to make it appear valid.


    “All of the above reveal the fact that the 1,000 years of Revelation chapter 20 is symbolic of the Church Age.”


    The text itself makes no such assertion.
     
  4. Contenders Edge

    Contenders Edge Well-Known Member Supporter

    925
    +116
    United States
    Christian
    Married
    US-Others

    Deuteronomy 4:27 simply states that they would be scattered among the nations, but says nothing about them losing their identity or knowledge of their ancestry. As for the current state of Israel, they will not always remain in unbelief.
     
  5. MitchW

    MitchW New Member Supporter

    44
    +63
    United States
    United Ch. of Christ
    Married
    Hosea 3:4-5 - "For the Israelites will live many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred stones, without ephod or idol. Afterward the Israelites will return and seek the LORD their God and David their king. They will come trembling to the LORD and to his blessings in the last days."

    Hosea 6:1 - "Come, let us return to the LORD. He has torn us to pieces but he will heal us; he has injured us but he will bind up our wounds."

    Ezekiel 20:34 - "I will bring you from the nations and gather you from the countries where you have been scattered -- with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm and with outpoured wrath."

    Isaiah 11:11-12 NIV - "In that day the Lord will reach out his hand a second time to reclaim the remnant that is left of his people from Assyria, from Lower Egypt, from Upper Egypt, from Cush, from Elam, from Babylonia, from Hamath and from the islands of the sea. He will raise a banner for the nations and gather the exiles of Israel; he will assemble the scattered people of Judah from the four quarters of the earth."
    Jeremiah 32:44 NIV - "Fields will be bought for silver, and deeds will be signed, sealed and witnessed in the territory of Benjamin, in the villages around Jerusalem, in the towns of Judah and in the towns of the hill country, of the western foothills and of the Negev, because I will restore their fortunes, declares the LORD."

    Isaiah 66:8 NIV - "Who has ever heard of such a thing? Who has ever seen such things? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labour than she gives birth to her children."

    Isaiah 43:5-6,21 - "Do not be afraid, for I am with you; I will bring your children from the east and gather you from the west. I will say to the north, `Give them up!' and to the south, `Do not hold them back.' Bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the ends of the earth..."

    "... the people I formed for myself that they may proclaim my praise."

    Psalm 107:2-3 NIV - "Let the redeemed of the LORD say this -- those he redeemed from the hand of the foe, those he gathered from the lands, from east and west, from north and south.

    The Cross Beam over the Head of our Lord, clearly stated: "KING OF THE JEWS." Christ is ours by adoption and is Israel's by Birth.
     
  6. BABerean2

    BABerean2 Newbie Supporter

    +4,912
    Christian
    Married

    Your second sentence above stands in direct opposition to your first sentence.

    How can the Book of Revelation be in chronological order, based on the fact that Christ returns below in chapter 16, and also in chapter 19?


    Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
    Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
    Rev 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
    Rev 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
    Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
    Rev 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

    What happens to this planet when all of the islands and mountains are destroyed in the last verse above?

    .
     
  7. BABerean2

    BABerean2 Newbie Supporter

    +4,912
    Christian
    Married
    Can wicked spirit beings be bound by literal chains?
    The answer is found below.



    Mar 5:2 And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,
    Mar 5:3 Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains:
    Mar 5:4 Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him.
    Mar 5:5 And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones.
    Mar 5:6 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,
    Mar 5:7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.
    Mar 5:8 For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.
    Mar 5:9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.

    .
     
  8. jgr

    jgr Well-Known Member Supporter

    +3,172
    Non-Denom
    Mathematics and genetics reveal that anyone's ancient heritage is everyone's ancient heritage.

    Their heritage is our heritage, and vice versa.

    Read it again.

    "As you go back further in time, more of those lines cross as you encounter more common ancestors of the living population. And then something really interesting happens. There comes a point at which, Chang wrote, “all individuals who have any descendants among the present-day individuals are actually ancestors of all present-day individuals.”"

    Then try to understand it sometime.
     
  9. BABerean2

    BABerean2 Newbie Supporter

    +4,912
    Christian
    Married
    Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, the Two Peoples of God doctrine of modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.


    Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.


    “The Prophecy of Daniel 9” by Dr. Kelly Varner


    .
     
  10. jgr

    jgr Well-Known Member Supporter

    +3,172
    Non-Denom
    How does Christ identify His People?

    1. By their DNA
    2. By their religion
    3. By their culture
    4. By their geographic location
    5. By their faith and obedience in and to Him and His Father

    ?

    Acts 10
    34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
    35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
     
  11. keras

    keras Writer of Bible prophecy studies.

    +1,611
    New Zealand
    Pentecostal
    Married
    But obviously they have lost the knowledge of who they really are.
    The Jews know very well, that they only represent the two tribes of Judah and Benjamin. Some of Levi and of the other tribes have joined them and become Jews.

    The that ten Northern tribes remain scattered among the nations is proved by how the Israelites will be as many as the sands of the sea, innumerable peoples, just as the Christians are today; billions of people from every race, nation and language, the true Israelites of God.
    No they will be virtually wiped out, as over 20 prophesies tell us. Romans 9:27, Isaiah 22:14, Jeremiah 10:18
    Only a remnant will survive to join their Christian brethren. Ezekiel 37, Jeremiah 50:4-5
     
  12. keras

    keras Writer of Bible prophecy studies.

    +1,611
    New Zealand
    Pentecostal
    Married
    You already know that I do agree with your maths.
    This does NOT preclude there being a people who have a predisposition to believe the Christian faith and do become the Israelites of God by faith and who, as it will be shown: have actual descent from Jacob. It is all of them who are seen by John in Revelation 7.
     
  13. jgr

    jgr Well-Known Member Supporter

    +3,172
    Non-Denom
    We all "have actual descent from Jacob" genetically.

    God is interested in our ascent spiritually.
     
  14. Contenders Edge

    Contenders Edge Well-Known Member Supporter

    925
    +116
    United States
    Christian
    Married
    US-Others

    Your first citation says nothing about Abraham. If anything at all, the article you cited simply shows that we are all descendants of Adam, but he was before Abraham.

    The Rabbi you cited might believe that we are all descendants of one man and woman as the Breaking Israel News article seems to suggest, but never did he say that all people are descendants of Abraham:



    “We need to bring close those who have their roots in Israel, those souls who stood at Mount Sinai with us, but their souls were lost to us because of the exiles and the catastrophes and tragedies that befell us throughout history.”



    That does not sound like a statement you would expect from someone who believes that all present day people are descendants of Abraham. Nevertheless, he believes that DNA can be useful in finding those who may be of Jewish descent.


    “There are more Jews living outside of Israel than inside it. Only a fraction of those outside possess Israeli citizenship.


    The remainder get along just fine without it…”


    Granted that I do not know the exact population of Jews in Israel today, but more are being added to their number as Jews from various parts of the world emigrate there. And while there may be Jews who may be content where they presently are at today, circumstances may still arise that could change their minds.

    World War II and the holocaust caused a change of heart and mind for many Jews who otherwise were content to remain in the nations in which they were residing beforehand. And there are plenty of scriptures that foretell that all of the Jews will be brought back to their homeland.
     
  15. Contenders Edge

    Contenders Edge Well-Known Member Supporter

    925
    +116
    United States
    Christian
    Married
    US-Others


    “A father promises to give his kid a cookie IF the kid cleans his room. The kid refuses to the clean his room. As a result, the father does not give his kid a cookie.

    The promise of receiving the cookie is CONDITIONAL upon the kid cleaning the room. The father is in no way unfaithful to his promise for not giving the cookie when the kid did not clean his room.



    But the blessing of being given the cookie is not necessarily lost to the child forever. If the child changes his mind and cleans his room like his father told him to do, he can still be rewarded the cookie.

    In the same way, the Israelites have not lost out on the earthly blessings that they were promised as a reward of faithfulness and devotion to God, yet those promises did not cease with the Old Covenant. They simply will meet their fulfillment in the New Covenant as a testimony of God’s faithfulness in keeping His promises even when we are not always faithful to Him.


    “The author of Hebrews states the old covenant was taken away and made obsolete (Hebrews 8:13 and Hebrews 10:9). The author of Hebrews states the old covenant was only until the time of reformation (Hebrews 9:10). Paul states the that Israel was locked up under the custody of the law until faith in Christ was revealed (Galatians 3:23).

    Being "under the law", or in other words, being bound to the agreement that one will obey the law through works is required in order to receive the conditional blessings of the law…"


    But now those blessings are given upon acceptance of the New Covenant instead of the Old.


    “The new testament declares the old covenant, which was an agreement for Israel to do their part and God to do His part, was made obsolete and taken away…If Israel would turn back to God after he outpouring of blessings and curses, then God promised to restore Israel.

    This conditional agreement known as that the old covenant was made obsolete and taken away at the cross. It was superseded by the new covenant, which has better promises (Hebrews 8:6).”



    The promises that God has made under the New Covenant do not cancel out those promises made beforehand. Instead, the Jews receive a double portion in that along with their earthly blessings receive also the blessings that everyone else in Christ receives as well.


    “Israel, Jews and grafted in Gentiles, was already a nation in the 1st century.”


    The Church is not a nation in the same sense that Israel is in that the Church is made part of an eternal Kingdom into which the earthly nation of Israel is destined to be made part of as well.


    “Ezekiel prophesied that God would dwell with his people and God would be their God and they His people. Paul has this being fulfilled in the 1st century.

    Ezekiel prophesied that the northern kingdom and southern kingdom would be reunited. Hosea parallels this prophecy. Paul quotes hosea 1:10 as being fulfilled in the 1st century with the inclusion of Jew and gentiles into the vessels of mercy (romans 9:24-26). Thus if hosea 1:10-11 was beingfulfilled in the 1st century, then so was Ezekiel 37:22.”


    The prophecies of Ezekiel and Hosea are not entirely about the same things in that Ezekiel focuses specifically on the nation of Israel. Hosea, while focused mainly on Israel, invites the Gentiles to be reconciled with their Maker as well. Hosea is not the only set of Old Testament scriptures that expresses God’s desire for all people, Jew and Gentile, to know Him and experience His love and mercy.


    “God is responsible for the rise and fall of all earthly kingdoms.”


    But what other nation, other than Israel, has been displaced, scattered, and then again restored?


    “As stated in the old covenant agreement, if Israel repented and turned the Lord, AFTER the blessings and curses had been poured out, then God would restore Israel from captivity and return them to the land (Deuteronomy 30:1-5). Daniel 9 and Nehemiah 1 are evidences that show Israel repenting while in exile.


    You forget that not all the returning Jews had yet set their hearts to seek the Lord as is also mentioned in the book of Nehemiah and even more notably so, the prophets Zechariah and Malachi.


    “God called the divorced and exiled northern kingdom "no longer his people and He no longer their God." If the divorced and exiled northern kingdom was no longer God's people, which resulted with them mixing with the surrounding nations (hosea 7:8) and being ousted from the covenant, then what would become of those offspring over 700 years leading up to the 1st century? They would become as gentiles.


    None of the Israelites were ousted from the Covenant. They left the Covenant. If the northern kingdom had been divorced of God, it is because they divorced themselves from Him first. Nevertheless, He has left the door open for they and the rest of the Jews to be reconciled to Him.

    They never became as Gentiles. They still retained their identity.
    Those who may be unaware of their Jewish ancestry but are somehow made aware of it then rediscover the identity that they had all along.


    “Correct. Circumcision not by human hands as performed by Christ was occurring in the 1st century. The 1st century took place after Israel had returned from to the land from Babylonian exile.”


    I would not call the first century the generation in which the hearts of the Jews had undergone a spiritual circumcision. Most of the people of Israel ended up rejecting their Messiah and remained uncircumcised in their hearts.


    “Thus Israel receiving the curses of the law through the Assyrian/Babylonian exiles are a shadow of Christ receiving the curses of the law on Israel's behalf (galatians 3:13-14).”


    I do not because Israel was punished for their own sins and not for the sins of anyone else. Christ on the other hand suffered for the sins of all mankind and yet Himself was sinless which He had to be in order to be that perfect sacrifice required for the forgiveness of the sins of those who place their trust in the sacrifice made by Christ on their behalf in order that they might be saved from damnation and reconciled with their Maker.


    "Israel being restored from captivity and being brought back to the land after the curses had been poured out through the Assyrian/Babylonian exiles is a shadow of those in Christ being set free (Galatiants 5:1) and being gathered to him in one body (John 11:52).”


    I cannot say that I dispute this much of it.


    “Thus, I would argue that Ezekiel's prophecy had immediate context in its type/shadow (Israel returning from Assyrian/Babylonian exile), but also a prophetic context in its antitype/reality (Christ setting his people free from sin and them gathering to one body). Thus, while there was spiritual death leading up to and during the Babylonian exile, there was spiritual death leading up to the cross.”


    Applied as it may be in that sense, Ezekiel’s prophecy was written in a way meant to be taken literally.


    “Israel repented under the their part of the deal in the old covenant and God returned them to land after the 70 years of Babylonian punishment as part of His side of the agreement. However, the NT is very clear that this agreement was made obsolete.”


    But the promised blessings were not canceled alongside the Old Covenant. If that were the case, God would be breaking promises that He has made which is why, in order to show Himself faithful in keeping His promises, (Heb. 10:23) He must fulfill all promises and all declarations He has made exactly as He has said.


    Jews have lived in the land of Israel prior to 1948 for last 2,000 years.


    And why do you think that is? Should that in and of itself not serve as evidence of God’s promise that He would not make a full end of His people or the nation of Israel?


    “As paul states, a jew is not one outwardly but only if they are circumcised in the heart.

    Romans 2:28-29 A man is not a Jew because he is one outwardly, nor is circumcision only outward and physical. No, a man is a Jew because he is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man’s praise does not come from men, but from God.”

    You have misquoted Paul in your statement. Paul did say that a man can be a Jew outwardly, but that does not make him one spiritually.



    “Please provide NT scripture that confirms Christ will reign upon the earth in a physical temple in order to substantiated your interpretation of the OT.”




    There are passages in Ezekiel chapters 40-47 that at least indicate that this is the case as far as the forth coming millennial reign is concerned. The New Testament does not have as much to say about the Millennial Reign as the Old Testament does. The most we read about the Millennial Reign is in Revelation chapter 20.

    If we want to find out what the Millennial Reign under Christ will be like, that requires not only looking at New Testament scriptures, but also Old Testament scriptures as well. In other words, we have to look at the full counsel of scripture on the matter from beginning to end.
     
    Last edited: Aug 8, 2019
  16. BABerean2

    BABerean2 Newbie Supporter

    +4,912
    Christian
    Married
    And those scriptures were written either before, or while, the Jews were in captivity in Babylon.
    And they did return to the land after that time in Babylon.

    Are you trying to tell us that every modern Orthodox Jew will eventually move to the modern State of Israel?


    .
     
  17. Contenders Edge

    Contenders Edge Well-Known Member Supporter

    925
    +116
    United States
    Christian
    Married
    US-Others

    The scriptures state more than once that God will gather all Jews back to their homeland from the nations to which they were driven.
     
  18. Contenders Edge

    Contenders Edge Well-Known Member Supporter

    925
    +116
    United States
    Christian
    Married
    US-Others

    “As the NT is absent of any mention of land restoration, one can only make an argument from ignorance or an argument from silence.

    An argument from ignorance is always a fallacy in informal logic, while an argument from silence is not. Thus out of the 2 options, the argument from silence is much stronger.

    The argument that because the NT makes no mention of land restoration then land restoration is still in effect, despite the explicit declaration that the old covenant was made obsolete, is a fallacy in informal logic.

    The argument that because the NT declares the old covenant taken away and made obsolete in addition to absence of any mention of land restoration then land restoration is not part of the new covenant, is an argument from silence. And in this case, because the NT explicitly declares the old covenant obsolete, the argument of silence is much stronger than then the fallacy in informal logic that your argument from ignorance demonstrates
    .”


    An argument from silence provides no defense. It is simply a red herring invented by those who do not wish to appear as though they have lost a debate. Again, in order to prove that my basis is an argument from ignorance, you would have to prove that the Apostle Paul did not have land restoration in mind when he spoke of the eventual salvation of the Jews through Christ and their reconciliation to God.

    What else did he have to base the eventual salvation of Israel and reconciliation to God if not the Old Testament scriptures which foretold of Christ and the coming New Covenant to begin with?


    “The promises under the old covenant agreement were conditional upon Israel's repentance and turning to God. To say that Israel should received the land despite their complete and utter disobedience of the law of moses would be to change and unchanging God.”


    So would the canceling out of eventual land restoration to the Jews that God has said would eventually happen and has already happened. If Israel were to remain forever scattered as a people, never to be brought back to their homeland where they are destined to remain permanently, then God, who is faithful in keeping all of His promises (Heb. 10:23) would be showing Himself to be a liar and we ourselves could never have confidence in the promises He has made to us as His Church.


    “…there is no scripture, NT or OT, that tell us there a multiple exiles due to punishment followed by multiple returnings to the land. In fact, OT scripture only points to the Babylonian exile followed by Israel being redeemed. There is not one mention of a 2nd exile followed a 2nd regathering to the land.”


    There are no scriptures that state that this would not be an ongoing cycle either.


    “I have declared only what the NT has declared, that the old covenant was made obsolete and taken away. I am not declaring which of the 613 righteous has or has not been removed. I am only stating that the conditional agreement between God and the nation of Israel was removed.


    But that does not mean that everything declared and foretold under the Old Covenant was canceled out by the New Covenant. There are a lot of things declared and foretold under the Old Covenant that have not yet come to fruition which means they will at some point be fulfilled under the New Covenant.


    You, however, appear to be stating the old covenant agreement is still in effect in that you state that God's part of the conditional agreement is still in effect. As the old covenant explicitly states, land restoration was conditional upon Israel turning to God. When Israel returned to the Lord, THEN he would restore them from captivity...”



    Is the faithful keeping of promises keeping the Old Covenant in effect?


    “You are conflating the unconditional promise of the land given to Abraham and his offspring, with the conditional land promise given to the nation of Israel under the old covenant.

    As Paul clearly states, the promises (PLURAL) were to Abraham and his seed. The seed being Christ. Thus the land was promised unconditionally to Christ.”


    But yet Moses refers to the seed as a plurality. (Ex. 32:13) How do you reconcile the two unless the Messiah to whom the land is given extends that promise to those Jews who receive Him as their Messiah? Is He going to be living in the land of Israel by Himself? Is He the going to be the only inhabitant in Jerusalem? Is He going to be the only one managing the land and caring for it? Is there no one in Israel waiting for Him when He returns?


    “I could not find where you explicitly stated what the barn represents. Can you either repeat what you believe the barn specifically is or show me which post you specifically stated what it is?

    The wheat that grows from the seeds are the sons of the kingdom.”


    If you know that the wheat represents the children of the kingdom, then what do you think the barn is to which they are all gathered?


    …how is God sowing Israel to grow them and not destroy them and making a new covenant with them (Jeremiah 31:27-37) different than Christ sowing the good seed (sons of the kingdom)?


    Jeremiah is addressing Israel only. Jesus is addressing the entire world. (Jew and Gentile)
     
  19. jgr

    jgr Well-Known Member Supporter

    +3,172
    Non-Denom
    Have someone mathematically perceptive explain it.

    Not all Jews want more Jews. Where will they all fit?

    Undoubtedly there is growing reluctance to immigrate because prospective immigrants are hearing that eventually their probability of annihilation is .66667. Is God going to herd them back against their will?
     
  20. Contenders Edge

    Contenders Edge Well-Known Member Supporter

    925
    +116
    United States
    Christian
    Married
    US-Others

    The prophet Zechariah foretells that two thirds of the Israelites in the land will be wiped out and that the third part remaining will be saved by Messiah. (Zech. 13:8) A third part is still a sizeable remnant; enough to still remain a viable nation and people which is why I would not necessarily call that a virtual destruction of a people as it otherwise would be if say for example, 99 percent of a people were to be wiped out.

    In comparison, a higher percentage of Gentiles will be destroyed; entire nations and even ethnic groups possibly being eliminated when the earth undergoes that tribulation of which the days Jesus described as being so terrible that He would have to return in order to keep all flesh from perishing. (Mt. 24:21-22)
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
Loading...