IS THE HUMAN WILL FREE TO CHOOSE JESUS?

[dqhall]

Paul states He was chosen while still in His Mothers Womb.
We know Christ was Predestine, and John the Baptist.
This is just a perspective, how about certain individuals who were part of God's plans being called from the Womb?
John The Baptist recieved the Holy Spirit in His Mothers Belly.
Why limit God?
Could some Prophets or other Men of God be chosen?
We know God is no respecter of persons,yet He still chooses people to carry out His Will.
Those who are not called for His purposes Have a choice.
Why do we look in two directions ,when God is unlimited.
Elect not elect is a limitation on our unlimited God.

Paul caused a great deal of hurt and loss before God called him on the road to Damascus. Perhaps Paul forgot that he went astray from the womb before Jesus asked him to stop persecuting him.

 

[Si_monfaith]

Paul states He was chosen while still in His Mothers Womb.
We know Christ was Predestine, and John the Baptist.
This is just a perspective, how about certain individuals who were part of God's plans being called from the Womb?
John The Baptist recieved the Holy Spirit in His Mothers Belly.
Why limit God?
Could some Prophets or other Men of God be chosen?
We know God is no respecter of persons,yet He still chooses people to carry out His Will.
Those who are not called for His purposes Have a choice.
Why do we look in two directions ,when God is unlimited.
Elect not elect is a limitation on our unlimited God.

Acts 13:48: "and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed".

Did only the elect believe?

 

[1213]

...Moreover, isn't the view that the human will is free leads one to trust in his/her works to be saved rather than trust only in the works of Jesus to be saved?...

I don’t think that free will would make forgiveness own merit. Forgiveness is offered freely and people can accept it, if they want, but they don’t have to. And if they accept it, it doesn’t mean it was given because they had done something to deserve it.

 

[Si_monfaith]

I don’t think that free will would make forgiveness own merit. Forgiveness is offered freely and people can accept it, if they want, but they don’t have to. And if they accept it, it doesn’t mean it was given because they had done something to deserve it.

Do you mean to say forgiveness for an individual through Christ's blood, wasn't planned by God before He created time?

 

[1213]

Do you mean to say forgiveness for an individual through Christ's blood, wasn't planned by God before He created time?

No, I believe God knew what people will do on their own free will and prepared also salvation.

 

[Si_monfaith]

No, I believe God knew what people will do on their own free will and prepared also salvation.

If forgiveness for an individual wasn't planned before He created time, what does the following mean?

"According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world (Ephesians 1:4)".

 

[1213]

If forgiveness for an individual wasn't planned before He created time, what does the following mean?

"According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world (Ephesians 1:4)".

Sorry, if I have been unclear, I believe God prepared forgiveness for all people in the beginning. But it doesn’t mean people don’t have free will. And it is still also about do people want to receive it or not.

 

[Si_monfaith]

Sorry, if I have been unclear, I believe God prepared forgiveness for all people in the beginning. But it doesn’t mean people don’t have free will. And it is still also about do people want to receive it or not.

I believe God prepared forgiveness for all people

Did God know beforehand who would reject His free forgiveness in Christ?

 

[1213]

Did God know beforehand who would reject His free forgiveness in Christ?

I believe so.

 

[Si_monfaith]

I believe so.

So why did He prepare forgiveness for those whom He knew beforehand would reject His forgiveness?

 

[1213]

So why did He prepare forgiveness for those whom He knew beforehand would reject His forgiveness?

Maybe it would be more correct to say He prepared it for those who will accept it. But I think it is also possible that He prepared it for all so that no one could say they didn’t have a chance.

 

[Neogaia777]

How is an all-knowing God, and an all-knowing from the very beginning God, continually frustrated, angry and such, by man's will...? and continually throughout the OT, etc...?

God Bless!

 

[Si_monfaith]

Maybe it would be more correct to say He prepared it for those who will accept it. But I think it is also possible that He prepared it for all so that no one could say they didn’t have a chance.

Why would those who reject it say they didn't have a chance?

 

[SkyWriting]

What does truth in the Bible say as to whether the human will is free or not?

Because God already knows man future, people claim free will doesn't exist.

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith.
And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,

 

[SkyWriting]

How is an all-knowing God, and an all-knowing from the very beginning God, continually frustrated, angry and such, by man's will...? and continually throughout the OT, etc...?

God Bless!

God is never angry. But men do describe it as anger.

 

[SkyWriting]

Did God know beforehand who would reject His free forgiveness in Christ?

Yes, God already knows our future events.

 

[1213]

Why would those who reject it say they didn't have a chance?

Because they are not happy about the judgment they get.

 

[Si_monfaith]

Because God already knows man future, people claim free will doesn't exist.

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith.
And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,

Does Ephesians 2:8 talk of human free will?

 

[Si_monfaith]

Yes, God already knows our future events.

Ephesians 1:11: "being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will".

Does He only know or also predetermine future events?

 

[Si_monfaith]

Because they are not happy about the judgment they get.

Ephesians 1:11: "being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will".
When God has predetermined everything according to His own will including their judgment, why would He prepare forgiveness for them?