What are your thoughts on the following two songs? The first is "Glorify Thy Name":Adding to point of reproof for your thread is asking you how do you apply His words to mean?
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
By those 2 verses, did Jesus really meant that? He had testified of the Holy Spirit before and so why isn't He mentioned as another way to come to God the Father by?
John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
Did Jesus really needed to add that later part of that verse 23 to signify that the only way to honor the Father was by only honoring the Son? There is no other way. We cannot honor the Father by honoring the Holy Spirit since the Spirit of Christ in us would never lead us to put Himself in the spotlight in the worship service but visiting spirits of the antichrist would.
That may be true; I'm not sure. Perhaps, could this be considered a "request" to the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, perhaps indirectly since the second person (i.e., the ones addressed, the "you") would be the Corinthians?
What are your thoughts on the following two songs? The first is "Glorify Thy Name":
Father, we love You
We worship and adore You
Glorify Thy Name in all the earth
Jesus, we love You
We worship and adore You
Glorify Thy Name in all the earth
Spirit, we love You
We worship and adore You
Glorify Thy Name in all the earth
The second is an excerpt from "All Creatures Of Our God And King":
Praise, praise the Father praise the Son
And praise the Spirit three in one
Oh, praise Him
Oh, praise Him
Alleluia
Alleluia
Alleluia
Would either or both of these hymns be wrong to sing, in your view? Thanks for discussing this with me.
Hm, I'm not sure if these points are all true, but neither am I sure they're all false, either. I'll have to think on these things.Since convicted by His words for how the Father wants me to honor Him by and that is by only honoring the Son, I had stopped singing that first song. Not familiar with the second one, but the same applies.
Scripture testify what the Holy Spirit in me has been sent to do; to testify of the Son thru me ( John 15:26-27 ) to glorify the Son ( John 16:14 ). The Holy Spirit will not lead me to honor the Father in any other way when that is the standard of judgment over every believer ( John 5:22-23 ). This is the mind of Christ Paul was stressing us to have in worship in order to glorify God the Father by His Son; Philippians 2:5-13
That is why there are no scripture teaching the practice of worshipping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son. There are scripture testifying to the Holy Spirit as God and One of the 3 Witnesses within the Godhead, but scripture specifically told us how to come to God the Father in anything, worship, fellowship & prayer and that is through His son and if we seek to truly honor the Father, we need to honor only the Son as the Spirit in us & scripture is leading us to do.
It was the modified Nicene creed of 381 A.D. that introduced the unBiblical practice at the expense of scripture telling us how the Father wants us to come to Him by John 14:6 and how we are to honor Him by. John 5:22-23 We need to take heed to His words in these latter days where faith is hard to find.
Hm, I'm not sure if these points are all true, but neither am I sure they're all false, either. I'll have to think on these things.
That was the only one that came to mind. It isnt that the Spirit isnt mentioned in hymns, but rather that the Spirit does not stand on His own.
My opinion is when you worship one, you are worshipping all three,.Hello! Since the Holy Spirit is God, are there passages in the Bible where He is shown to be worshiped? If so, what passages could be shown as examples? Thank you!
My opinion is when you worship one, you are worshipping all three,.
If I can ask another question, I've come across another hymn:Since convicted by His words for how the Father wants me to honor Him by and that is by only honoring the Son, I had stopped singing that first song. Not familiar with the second one, but the same applies.
Scripture testify what the Holy Spirit in me has been sent to do; to testify of the Son thru me ( John 15:26-27 ) to glorify the Son ( John 16:14 ). The Holy Spirit will not lead me to honor the Father in any other way when that is the standard of judgment over every believer ( John 5:22-23 ). This is the mind of Christ Paul was stressing us to have in worship in order to glorify God the Father by His Son; Philippians 2:5-13
That is why there are no scripture teaching the practice of worshipping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son. There are scripture testifying to the Holy Spirit as God and One of the 3 Witnesses within the Godhead, but scripture specifically told us how to come to God the Father in anything, worship, fellowship & prayer and that is through His son and if we seek to truly honor the Father, we need to honor only the Son as the Spirit in us & scripture is leading us to do.
It was the modified Nicene creed of 381 A.D. that introduced the unBiblical practice at the expense of scripture telling us how the Father wants us to come to Him by John 14:6 and how we are to honor Him by. John 5:22-23 We need to take heed to His words in these latter days where faith is hard to find.
If I can ask another question, I've come across another hymn:
Gracious Spirit, Dwell with Me
Would this song qualify as worshiping the Holy Spirit, or does it fall below the threshold to which you'd have misgivings? What are your thoughts? Thanks!
Wow, under this view, more songs are affected than I thought. What about this song, which sings against people who are only "almost" persuaded to Christianity?Nowhere in any Biblical text do we find instances of the Holy Spirit being addressed, or worshipped separately - it's quite demonstrably an unbiblical practice.
Wow, under this view, more songs are affected than I thought. What about this song, which sings against people who are only "almost" persuaded to Christianity?
“Almost persuaded” now to believe;
“Almost persuaded” Christ to receive;
Seems now some soul to say,
“Go, Spirit, go Thy way,
Some more convenient day
on Thee I’ll call.”
Does the assumption that an unrepentant sinner is essentially telling the Spirit to "go Thy way" until a "more convenient day," assume unbiblical theology, or is the song simply parallel to the Scriptural teaching that people, in sinning, can grieve the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 4:30)?
If someone has quotes from early church fathers (< 250 CE) relating to the HS in this regard, I'd be happy to learn about it.
Phos Hilaron (late 3rd century, so prior to Nicea)
O gracious Light,
pure brightness of the everliving Father in heaven,
O Jesus Christ, holy and blessed!
Now as we come to the setting of the sun,
and our eyes behold the vesper light,
we sing thy praises, O God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Thou art worthy at all times to be praised by happy voices,
O Son of God, O Giver of life,
and to be glorified through all the worlds.
Thanks for answering! Would you be opposed to the song's having a person talk to the Holy Spirit, or are you fine with singing this hymn?To me the hymn certainly seems to parallel the grieving of the HS when someone is sinning; yet calling upon the HS is something unknown to the Biblical texts, and we see official 'recognition' of the HS as an separate 'Lord' only in the creed from the First Council of Constantinople (381 CE); it is missing from the original Nicene Creed (325 CE).
If someone has quotes from early church fathers (< 250 CE) relating to the HS in this regard, I'd be happy to learn about it.
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We know that only God should be worshiped (see Exodus 34:14 and Revelation 22:9). Only God deserves worship. The question of whether we should worship the Holy Spirit is answered simply by determining whether the Spirit is God. If the Holy Spirit is God, then He can and should be worshiped.
Scripture presents the Holy Spirit as not merely a “force” but as a Person. The Spirit is referred to in personal terms (John 15:26; 16:7–8, 13–14). He speaks (1 Timothy 4:1), He loves (Romans 15:30), He chooses (Acts 13:2), He teaches (John 14:26), and He guides (Acts 16:7). He can be lied to (Acts 5:3–4) and grieved (Ephesians 4:30).
The Holy Spirit possesses the nature of deity—He shares the attributes of God. He is eternal (Hebrews 9:14). He is omnipresent (Psalm 139:7–10) and omniscient (1 Corinthians 2:10–11). He was involved in the creation of the world (Genesis 1:2). The Holy Spirit enjoys intimate association with both the Father and the Son (Matthew 28:19; John 14:16). When we compare Exodus 16:7 with Hebrews 3:7–9, we see that the Holy Spirit and Yahweh are the same (see also Isaiah 6:8 as compared to Acts 28:25).
Since the Holy Spirit is God, and God is “worthy of praise” (Psalm 18:3), then the Spirit is worthy of worship. Jesus, the Son of God, received worship (Matthew 28:9), so it stands to reason that the Spirit of God would also receive worship. Philippians 3:3 tells us that believers “worship by the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus.” There is one God who eternally exists in three Persons. When we worship God, we naturally worship all three members of the Godhead.
How do we worship the Holy Spirit? The same way we worship the Father and the Son. Christian worship is spiritual, flowing from the inward workings of the Holy Spirit to which we respond by offering our lives to Him (Romans 12:1). We worship the Spirit by obedience to His commands. Referring to Christ, the apostle John explains that “those who obey his commands live in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us” (1 John 3:24). We see here the link between obeying Christ and the Holy Spirit who dwells within us, convicting us of our need to worship by obedience and empowering us to worship."
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