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Is the Great Flood of the Bible literal or symbolic.

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by Sky, Sep 17, 2002.

  1. Literal worldwide flood

  2. Literal local flood

  3. Symbolic

  4. Don't believe in the Bible

  5. Tired of my silly polls

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  1. Hank

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    So the mountain the ark landed on was formed during the flood? Also did the genesis accord happene twice? Genesis 1:9 And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear." And it was so. Genesis clearly states that the oceans came first and then land. Tell me, how high where the highest mountains at the time of the flood? Yes, please back your statement with a little math.

    This psalm has NOTHING to do with the flood. It’s a splendid passage describing God's creation, and NOT destruction!

    Keep in mind the Himalayas then are then not older then 4k. This would be amazing.
     
  2. Hank

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    Are we talking a local flood or global flood? I would never refute a massive local flood. If we talk global, all mountains have to be addressed. Abraham traveled a lot, did he not? I am certain he knew the difference between a hill and a mountain, or whoever wrote the story.
     
  3. LightBearer

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    I did not say there were no mountains in Noah’s day but that they were considerably lower.

    Following the Flood Noah's Ark came to rest on the Mountains of Ararat.  The name applied to a region and also to a mountain range in what is now eastern Turkey, lying close to the borders of Iran and the U.S.S.R.

    The name Ararat is specifically applied to the culminating mountain of this region, and it is the traditional resting-place of Noah’s ark. There are two conical peaks about 11 km (7 mi) apart and separated by a deep depression. The higher of the peaks rises some 5,165 m today. This could have been considerably lower in Noah’s day.

    The rock that make up The Himalayas can be as old as you want them to be but that does not mean that there height as always been what it is now. In fact we know that Mountains grow.

    With the sudden opening of the ‘springs of the watery deep’ and “the floodgates of the heavens,” untold billions of tons of water deluged the earth. (Ge 7:11) This may have caused tremendous changes in earth’s surface. The earth’s crust is relatively thin (estimated at between 30 km [20 mi] and 160 km [100 mi] thick), stretched over a rather plastic mass thousands of kilometers in diameter. Hence, under the added weight of the water, there was likely a great shifting in the crust. In time new mountains evidently were thrust upward, old mountains rose to new heights, shallow sea basins were deepened, and new shorelines were established, with the result that now about 70 percent of the surface is covered with water. This shifting in the earth’s crust may account for many geologic phenomena, such as the raising of old coastlines to new heights. It has been estimated by some that water pressures alone were equal to “2 tons per square inch,” sufficient to fossilize fauna and flora quickly.
     
  4. Morat

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    (1) What mechanism would allow for such rapid mountain building?

    (2) How do you deal with the heat of that much falling water?

    (3) How do you account for the consistant order in the fossil record? An order that is utterly inconsistant with how a flood or water would sort them? (Specifically, tiny little trilobytes on bottom, and big fat dinosaurs on top. And pollen sorted so neatly that it can be used as index fossils). Further, how do you account for things like fossilized rain drops, salt-flats, and insect burrows being perserved?

     
     
  5. TheBear

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    What a sight that would be!
     
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  7. TheBear

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  9. TheBear

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    Art of Greg Martin. :)
     
  10. Hank

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    Well I did not know mountains grow. How do they do that, grow that is?


    How high would be in your terms considerably lower?

    Are you telling me the massive amount of water came from below the surface of earth?

    Genesis 7:11-12
    In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month-on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.
     
  11. LightBearer

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    Genesis 7:11-12 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on this day all the springs of the vast watery deep were broken open and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. And the downpour upon the earth went on for forty days and forty nights.

    There is no mention of rain here.

    There was an incessant torrential downpour for “forty days and forty nights.

    According to the Genesis account, God said to Noah: “Here I am bringing the deluge [or, “heavenly ocean”; Heb., mab·bul'] of waters upon the earth.” (Ge 6:17, ftn) Describing what happened, the next chapter says: “All the springs of the vast watery deep were broken open and the floodgates of the heavens were opened.” (Ge 7:11) So overwhelming was the Deluge that “all the tall mountains that were under the whole heavens came to be covered.”—Ge 7:19.

    In Genesis 7:11 the expressions “vast watery deep” and “floodgates of the heavens” are both used to refer to the great water canopy that was around the earth in suspension and that is described at Genesis 1:6, 7 as “the waters . . . above the expanse.” When it says that the springs were broken and the floodgates were opened it means that God caused the forces that held the great water canopy in suspension to be overcome and thus permitted the waters to pour down upon the earth, not in any global splash but as through floodgates into certain channels, particularly at the poles, but also by means of rainfall for forty days.

    Just as the beginning of the Flood is spoken of as the breaking open of the springs of the watery deep and the opening of the floodgates of the heavens, at Genesis 7:11, so the cessation of the deluge, mentioned at Genesis 8:2, is referred to as the stopping up of those springs of the watery deep and the floodgates of the heavens. In other words, the contents of the watery canopy were exhausted. Of course, this did not mean that there would be no more rain on the earth. Rather, as clouds formed by the evaporation of water, rain would continue to fall to that extent. But there was no more a great watery reservoir, a watery deep or vast vapor canopy held in suspension above the earth.

    Imagine that cataclysm! An entire heavens of waters crashing down on the earth, overwhelming every living thing, and covering all the mountains! The tremendous pressures involved would bring about great changes on the surface of the earth, pushing up mountain ranges and forming depressions to receive the waters.

    This immense weight of water apparently caused a shifting and buckling of earth’s relatively thin crust Thus, new mountains were thrust upward, old mountains rose to new heights, shallow sea basins were deepened and new shorelines were established.

    And, too, the sudden fall of this canopy and the tremendous upheavals of earth would create great waves of rushing water—accomplishing in a matter of days what many scientists believe took millenniums of time to occur by slow processes of erosion. Mighty torrents of water carved out deep valleys and huge canyons.
     
  12. Hank

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    Do you respond to questions?  :confused:

    In case you missed it, your 'downpour' would have evaporated that which was supposed to kill all life on earth.
     
  13. kaotic

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  14. Joe Meert

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    Is there someone on here who does not believe this?

     

     
     
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