Is the gospel more than 1 Corinthians 15:1-4?

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No, Hebrews is understandable with the first being taken away because the Abrahamic covenant is a covenant of promise. The "first" is defined within the text and there's no need to speak of God's covnant with Abraham as the promises remain in tact. No where are these limited as the only covenants God has made, so it is perfectly acceptable when comparing one to the other to speak of the Sinai covenant as "the first."

I think the issue deals with time. Which aspect of salvation are we abiding in at the time. When we are first saved initially, it is by God’s grace without any works of any kind because we are being initially saved by God’s grace (Believing the gospel in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 in that Jesus died for our sins, He was buried, and He was risen three days later, calling upon the name of the Lord Jesus (Romans 10:13), which implies seeking forgiveness with the Lord, and receiving Christ (John 1:12). If a believer stumbles into sin on rare occasion, they go to God’s grace by confessing their sins to Jesus (1 John 2:1, 1 John 1:9, Hebrews 4:16) so as to be forgiven of sin. A believer does not do a good work to absolve sin. Thus… grace is the entrance gate and foundation upon which we stand. This lines up with Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 4:3-5, Titus 3:5.

But after we are saved by God’s grace, there is a secondary aspect of salvation we need to enter into. This is the Sanctification Process by the Spirit (to live a holy life). This is the evidence or proof that God lives inside of us (Who is the source of our salvation). God works in our lives and He molds and shapes us to do His will. For God commands us to be ye holy as He is holy. For without holiness, no man shall see the Lord (Hebrews 12:14). The gospel is 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. Nothing more, and nothing less. But there is also a CALL of the gospel according to 2 Thessalonians 2:14 (Not that it is the gospel). This call of the gospel is defined for us in verse 13 in that… God has chosen us to salvation through Sanctification of the Spirit and a belief of the truth (2 Thessalonians 2:13). This lines up with what James says in that faith (belief) without works is dead (James 2:17). This lines up with what James when he said we are justified by works and not by faith alone (James 2:24). But faith (belief) also justifies. For we are first saved by Jesus Christ by a belief in Him as our Savior. We did not jump through a bunch of hoops to get saved. We were saved solely by God’s grace and mercy when we first came to the Lord Jesus. Sanctification cannot be the entrance gate or foundation of our salvation. It can only follow after we are saved by God’s grace. For if holy living was the basis of my salvation I would be doomed because my past life of sin needs to be wiped out. Only God’s grace can deal with such a thing. For nobody can be saved by having their good deeds outweighing their bad deeds. Salvation is not on the basis of works alone. Salvation is based upon God’s grace. Without that, we got nothing.
 
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You really need to do a study of what the Gospel meaning of repentance is. You think repentance means asking for forgiveness. That is not the meaning of repentance.

Put aside what you have learned about stages of salvation, and see if that might not help.

The entire New Testament teaches us that true repentance is demonstrated in a commitment to renounce, deny, put to death, put away, crucify, the old master of the sinful nature, and then commit to obey the command to follow Lord Jesus into a sanctified life of righteousness and love. That is the Gospel Faith by which God saves us.

You open to any book of the Bible you want to in the Gospels, Acts, and the Epistles to the Churches, and to Timothy and Titus, and Revelation - They all repeat the same message. Repentance is clearly taught, illustrated, urged, and commanded. The meaning of repentance is clearly understood by all the repeated teaching on it.

Blessings

My post #159 proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that God or His Word telling people to repent means to seek forgiveness with the Lord.

Also, I did a small study on the occurrences of the word “repent” in the Bible. It does not always even have the same meaning every time the word “repent” (or its variations) appears. The context determines the definition of the meaning of the word “repent.” Here is an example from my study.

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In 1 Samuel 15:11: We see God saying that He repented that He set up Saul as king. The definition for repent in this instance only makes sense if God was saying He was grieved. For in 1 Samuel 15:29 says God is not a man that He should “repent.” (Meaning to have regrets). Same word but different meanings based on the context.


Note: The words in blue brackets is my commentary definition for the word “repent” (or its variations).
 
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My post #159 proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that God or His Word telling people to repent means to seek forgiveness with the Lord.

Also, I did a small study on the occurrences of the word “repent” in the Bible. It does not always even have the same meaning every time the word “repent” (or its variations) appears. The context determines the definition of the meaning of the word “repent.” Here is an example from my study.

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In 1 Samuel 15:11: We see God saying that He repented that He set up Saul as king. The definition for repent in this instance only makes sense if God was saying He was grieved. For in 1 Samuel 15:29 says God is not a man that He should “repent.” (Meaning to have regrets). Same word but different meanings based on the context.

Note: The words in blue brackets is my commentary definition for the word “repent” (or its variations).

There are different words for repent. In the New Testament, the only repentance God accepts for salvation is to repent of ones sinful life, and submit to God. Sure, if you repent, you ask for forgiveness according the Gospel. But forgiveness is not granted without repentance.

Baptism represents repentance - the dying to the old life of serving sinful passions, and now rising to live a new life in Christ, following Him.

I will say this though, you go ahead and be stubborn. The whole New Testament is against you. Everyone will have to give account to God.

Blessings.
 
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I believe the Law of Moses was to codify many laws and practices that God’s people were already doing (Note: This would not be all laws of course because the Law of Moses no doubt introduced some new instructions). Anyways, sexual immorality existed before the Law of Moses. For Joseph ran away from sexual sin. They made animal sacrifices before the Law of Moses and yet they are prescribed in the Law, as well. So the Law of Moses is a continuation of the covenant made with Adam and Eve when God killed an animal (sacrifice) to cloth their nakedness.

Also, if what you say is true: Hebrews 10:9 would not technically be a true verse if you wanted the 1st covenant to be the Mosaic covenant. The author would be making an untrue statement. You don’t believe the New covenant is the second covenant. Yet the author of Hebrews is saying that the New Covenant is the second covenant. So I will stick by what the Bible says and not what you say.

The word Testament is defined as a covenant. Yet, our Bibles are divided into two covenants. This fits Hebrews 10:9 in what it says. But you can still speak against what Hebrews 10:9 says. I believe it despite what you say.
The text is fairly explicit when and where what it refers to as "the first" began, and that's with the sprinkling of the blood of a bull on the assembly, the ordering isn't being used to say that God had established no other covenants but speaking of the two in relation to each other. Sinai preceded the New Covenant and in relation to it was first. Simply because men have ordered them into "two testaments" doesn't make that the actual name/order especially as historically and within the text the Old Testament is divided into law and prophets. Hebrews is only speaking of the covenant established on Mount Sinai when the law was given. It doesn't really matter how you imagine it, the only thing that matters is what the text says.
 
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The text is fairly explicit when and where what it refers to as "the first" began, and that's with the sprinkling of the blood of a bull on the assembly, the ordering isn't being used to say that God had established no other covenants but speaking of the two in relation to each other. Sinai preceded the New Covenant and in relation to it was first. Simply because men have ordered them into "two testaments" doesn't make that the actual name/order especially as historically and within the text the Old Testament is divided into law and prophets. Hebrews is only speaking of the covenant established on Mount Sinai when the law was given. It doesn't really matter how you imagine it, the only thing that matters is what the text says.

Okay. First, you need to know that God is not the author of confusion (See 1 Corinthians 14:33).

Second, I re-read Hebrews 10:1-9 and I can see how it is does talk about the Mosaic Law in verses 1-6 and verse 8. No doubt about it. But as I said before. The Mosaic covenant is just but one sub covenant in a series of sub covenants under the umbrella of the Old Covenant or Old Testament. That is why it can be referred to as the first testament.

Three, Hebrews 10:7 says,
“Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.”

What is the volume of the book? It’s the Torah.
The Torah includes the five Books of Moses. So it would have included Genesis. For all Scripture is profitable for doctrine and instruction in righteousness, right? See 2 Timothy 3:16-17. So in context, verse 7 hints of the whole of the Old Testament or Old Covenant.
 
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Okay. First, you need to know that God is not the author of confusion (See 1 Corinthians 14:33).

Second, I re-read Hebrews 10:1-9 and I can see how it is does talk about the Mosaic Law in verses 1-6 and verse 8. No doubt about it. But as I said before. The Mosaic covenant is just but one sub covenant in a series of sub covenants under the umbrella of the Old Covenant or Old Testament. That is why it can be referred to as the first testament.

Three, Hebrews 10:7 says,
“Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.”

What is the volume of the book? It’s the Torah.
The Torah includes the five Books of Moses. So it would have included Genesis. For all Scripture is profitable for doctrine and instruction in righteousness, right? See 2 Timothy 3:16-17. So in context, verse 7 hints of the whole of the Old Testament or Old Covenant.
Hebrews actually tells us when the first covenant began in chapter 9:

Therefore not even the first covenant was inaugurated without blood. 19 For when every commandment of the law had been declared by Moses to all the people, he took the blood of calves and goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, 20 saying, “This is the blood of the covenant that God commanded for you.” 21 And in the same way he sprinkled with the blood both the tent and all the vessels used in worship. 22 Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.

See the word I've bolded? That tells us that it's talking about the beginning of the covenant it refers to as "the first."
 
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Hebrews actually tells us when the first covenant began in chapter 9:

Therefore not even the first covenant was inaugurated without blood. 19 For when every commandment of the law had been declared by Moses to all the people, he took the blood of calves and goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, 20 saying, “This is the blood of the covenant that God commanded for you.” 21 And in the same way he sprinkled with the blood both the tent and all the vessels used in worship. 22 Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.

See the word I've bolded? That tells us that it's talking about the beginning of the covenant it refers to as "the first."

Right, it’s talking about a continuation of the first covenant with the Law of Moses being a sub covenant amongst a series of sub covenants within the first testament. The Mosaic covenant was dedicated with blood. The same happened with God and Adam and Eve. God sacrificed an animal to cover their nakedness. This meant a dedication in blood, too.
 
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Right, it’s talking about a continuation of the first covenant with the Law of Moses being a sub covenant amongst a series of sub covenants within the first testament. The Mosaic covenant was dedicated with blood. The same happened with God and Adam and Eve. God sacrificed an animal to cover their nakedness. This meant a dedication in blood, too.
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The King James Bible says “dedicated” in Hebrews 9:18, and I find the KJB to more trustworthy than Modern Translations. See this thread here.

Also, Hebrews 9:16-17 says:

“For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.” (Hebrews 9:16-17).

Who is the testator here?

It’s Jesus.

So we know a testament is in force unless the testator dies. So when Jesus died, the New Covenant began. Did Jesus die multiple times for each sub covenant within the Old Testament? Surely not. God or Jesus is the testator of the Old Testament (including all its sub covenants).
 
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So when Jesus died, the New Covenant began.

The Old Covenant did not begin until Exodus 24, when Israel declare they accept the Old Covenant. It did not begin when Moses receive the 10 commandments.

Similarly, the New Covenant could not begin until Israel the nation accept Jesus as their promised Messiah. It did not begin when Jesus died.
 
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The King James Bible says “dedicated” in Hebrews 9:18, and I find the KJB to more trustworthy than Modern Translations. See this thread here.

Also, Hebrews 9:16-17 says:

“For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.” (Hebrews 9:16-17).

Who is the testator here?

It’s Jesus.

So we know a testament is in force unless the testator dies. So when Jesus died, the New Covenant began. Did Jesus die multiple times for each sub covenant within the Old Testament? Surely not. God or Jesus is the testator of the Old Testament (including all its sub covenants).
This is completely missing the point of Hebrews 9, and "dedicate" and "inaugurate" in this instance have little difference since both refer to a beginning. There are no "sub covenants" and the Abrahamic covenant(and tha Noahide if you want to consider that a covenant) are still in effect. Sinai is the only covenant that has been taken away, and the death to institute that covenant is the death of the bull from which the blood was taken to sprinkle the assembly and the book of the law.
 
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This is completely missing the point of Hebrews 9, and "dedicate" and "inaugurate" in this instance have little difference since both refer to a beginning. There are no "sub covenants" and the Abrahamic covenant(and tha Noahide if you want to consider that a covenant) are still in effect. Sinai is the only covenant that has been taken away, and the death to institute that covenant is the death of the bull from which the blood was taken to sprinkle the assembly and the book of the law.

Okay. I started to re-read through Hebrews to get an overall flavor of the theme and point the author of Hebrews was trying to make. My initial hang up was the issue of wording with the use of the word “first” when there were other previous covenants. I looked also at the previous verses we discussed again and it does appear that the Mosaic Covenant is called the first covenant. So you are right. My apologies. The only way I see to resolve this is that the Mosaic covenant is being referred to as the first GREAT covenant. This no doubt was a great covenant because the previous covenants were made with individuals like the Adamic Covenant, Noadic Covenant, Abrahamic Covenant, and Davidic Covenant (that effected many people thereafter), however… the Mosaic covenant and the New covenant are covenants made directly with particular people group(s).

Anyways, thank you for your patience in discussing this with me.

May you be blessed greatly in the Lord.
 
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Okay. I started to re-read through Hebrews to get an overall flavor of the theme and point the author of Hebrews was trying to make. My initial hang up was the issue of wording with the use of the word “first” when there were other previous covenants. I looked also at the previous verses we discussed again and it does appear that the Mosaic Covenant is called the first covenant. So you are right. My apologies. The only way I see to resolve this is that the Mosaic covenant is being referred to as the first GREAT covenant. This no doubt was a great covenant because the previous covenants were made with individuals like the Adamic Covenant, Noadic Covenant, Abrahamic Covenant, and Davidic Covenant (that effected many people thereafter), however… the Mosaic covenant and the New covenant are covenants made directly with particular people group(s).

Anyways, thank you for your patience in discussing this with me.

May you be blessed greatly in the Lord.
Yes, those earlier covenants culminate in the Mosaic covenant but the reason Moses is the highlight is because it is the first Suzerain-Vassal treaty. Earlier covenants were all unilateral, with God making promises to favored subjects. The Mosaic placed restrictions on the people, they had to uphold their end in order to receive the blessings. It was the first fulfillment of the promises to Abraham for a nation of priests who would bless the world. With the death of Jesus the people of God changes, the new nation of priests that was not a nation is made a nation.
 
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Also, we do not have a complete play by play of all the inner workings and details behind all Scripture. The four gospel accounts of the resurrection can sound almost contradictory (Although I was able to reconcile them here), but the point is that one gospel gives details that another does not have.

So another way to possibly understand the words “this gospel” in Matthew 24:14 is in in the fact that Jesus is referring to Himself (i.e. pointing to Himself) in that it would be a reference to the entire life of Christ that He was living perfectly (even the moment) whereby He was to be our substitute so as to die for our sins. We also have to understand that “this gospel” is not really clearly defined in Matthew 24:14 like it is in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. So we must by default believe the core message that we are given. For we know the true gospel of Jesus Christ in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 leads men to live holy lives (not that living holy lives itself is the gospel). We know that nobody can live unholy life and be saved. Any believer who lives an unholy life and justifies sin, they have either fallen away from the gospel message, or they never truly accepted the gospel in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 (as God intended it to be - See: 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14, Titus 2:11-14, and Ephesians 5:25-27).

I was reading again in Matthew 24:14.

Another Christian had pointed out that verse 13 is the context of the kind of gospel being spoke about here.

Matthew 24:13-14
13 “But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”​

So if we are to read verse 13 with a surface reading, is this another gospel different than 1 Corinthians 15:1-4? No.

Is it by our own power alone without Christ whereby we endure to the end to be saved? Is that the good news? No.

We do not endure by our own power alone but by the power of Christ in us.

1 Corinthians 1:27
“To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:”

Philippians 4:13
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.”

Philippians 2:13
“For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.”

Hebrews 12:2
“Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.”

Hebrews 13:5
Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.”

Philippians 1:21
For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.”

1 Corinthians 15:10
“But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.”

Galatians 2:20
“I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.”

Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.”

John 17:21-23
“...Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.”

Matthew 28:20
“Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”

2 Timothy 2:1-3
“Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus. And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also. Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.”​

This is how we endure to the end. We endure because of the strength we have in the grace that is within Christ Jesus. For Jesus is with us unto the end of the world. Jesus is the finisher of our faith.

So he that endures to the end to be saved as being the good news is in the fact that Christ is in you... who is the hope of glory. Jesus is our strength to endure to the end to be saved. We cannot do it on our own. That's not good news. The good news is Jesus Christ, the hope of glory who gives us strength to endure to the end. This is the good news of the Kingdom. It's Jesus Christ Himself.
 
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I was reading again in Matthew 24:14.

Another Christian had pointed out that verse 13 is the context of the kind of gospel being spoke about here.

Matthew 24:13-14
13 “But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”​

So if we are to read verse 13 with a surface reading, is this another gospel different than 1 Corinthians 15:1-4? No.

Is it by our own power alone without Christ whereby we endure to the end to be saved? Is that the good news? No.

We do not endure by our own power but by the power of Christ in us.

1 Corinthians 1:27
“To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:”

Philippians 4:13
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.”

Philippians 2:13
“For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.”

Hebrews 12:2
“Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.”

Hebrews 13:5
Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.”

Philippians 1:21
For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.”

1 Corinthians 15:10
“But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.”

Galatians 2:20
“I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.”

Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.”

John 17:21-23
“...Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.”

Matthew 28:20
“Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”

2 Timothy 2:1-3
“Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus. And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also. Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.”​

This is how we endure to the end. We endure because of the strength we have in the grace that is within Christ Jesus. For Jesus is with us unto the end of the world. Jesus is the finisher of our faith.

So he that endures to the end to be saved as being the good news is in the fact that Christ is in you... who is the hope of glory. Jesus is our strength to endure to the end to be saved. We cannot do it on our own. That's not good news. The good news is Jesus Christ, the hope of glory who gives us strength to endure to the end. This is the good news of the Kingdom. It's Jesus Christ Himself.

From first to last, from beginning to the end, the power of the Gospel onto salvation is by faith in Lord Jesus and enduring in that faith to the end.

Romans 1:16-17 (WEB) 16 For I am not ashamed of the Good News of Christ, because it is the power of God for salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first, and also for the Greek. 17 For in it is revealed God’s righteousness from faith to faith. As it is written, “But the righteous shall live by faith.” [Habakkuk 2:4]

Luke 21:19 (WEB) 19 “By your endurance you will win your lives.”

Romans 11:20-22 (WEB) 20 True; by their unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God didn’t spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. 22 See then the goodness and severity of God. Toward those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in his goodness; otherwise you also will be cut off.

John 15:8-10 (WEB) 8 “In this my Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; and so you will be my disciples. 9 Even as the Father has loved me, I also have loved you. Remain in my love. 10 If you keep my commandments, you will remain in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and remain in his love.

Acts 14:21-22 (WEB) 21 When they had preached the Good News to that city, and had made many disciples, they returned to Lystra, Iconium, and Antioch, 22 strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that through many afflictions we must enter into God’s Kingdom.

Romans 8:12-13 (WEB) 12 So then, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13 For if you live after the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

The promise of a new life, regeneration, born again, to make spiritually alive comes by faith in Lord Jesus (Galatians 3:21-24), and to continue in that faith demonstrated by following Lord Jesus (John 15:8-10).

To repent, and then to deny self and to follow Lord Jesus is the faith of the Gospel by which we drink, live, walk, and sow to the Spirit – this is spiritual life or regeneration (Romans 8:12-13; Galatians 6:7-9; Galatians 5:24-25).
 
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From first to last, from beginning to the end, the power of the Gospel onto salvation is by faith in Lord Jesus and enduring in that faith to the end.

Romans 1:16-17 (WEB) 16 For I am not ashamed of the Good News of Christ, because it is the power of God for salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first, and also for the Greek. 17 For in it is revealed God’s righteousness from faith to faith. As it is written, “But the righteous shall live by faith.” [Habakkuk 2:4]

I believe in Conditional Salvation and that we have to persevere unto the end. I believe we have to endure in believing the gospel. No doubt about it. Although we do have our part to endure or walk with God (of our own free will), it’s also not by our own power alone, either. It’s synergistic. Christ also can work in us to endure and He can keep us from falling, too. For John 15:5 says that without Him, we can do nothing. This is what I believe Jesus was referring to as the good news in Matthew 24:13-14. I believe that by HIM, we can truly endure because the Lord is helping us to endure. This is good news because we are not alone. We have Jesus. He is the good news. So when Matthew 24:13 says he that endures to the end shall be saved and it is referred to as good news in Matthew 24:14, I believe this is in reference to the good news of Christ living in us helping us to endure to the end. Yes, we have our part to endure, too. No doubt about it. But without Jesus, we can do nothing. He is ultimately the one who helps us to endure if we abide in Him.

You said:
Luke 21:19 (WEB) 19 “By your endurance you will win your lives.”

Romans 11:20-22 (WEB) 20 True; by their unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God didn’t spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. 22 See then the goodness and severity of God. Toward those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in his goodness; otherwise you also will be cut off.

John 15:8-10 (WEB) 8 “In this my Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; and so you will be my disciples. 9 Even as the Father has loved me, I also have loved you. Remain in my love. 10 If you keep my commandments, you will remain in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and remain in his love.

Acts 14:21-22 (WEB) 21 When they had preached the Good News to that city, and had made many disciples, they returned to Lystra, Iconium, and Antioch, 22 strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that through many afflictions we must enter into God’s Kingdom.

Romans 8:12-13 (WEB) 12 So then, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13 For if you live after the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

The promise of a new life, regeneration, born again, to make spiritually alive comes by faith in Lord Jesus (Galatians 3:21-24), and to continue in that faith demonstrated by following Lord Jesus (John 15:8-10).

To repent, and then to deny self and to follow Lord Jesus is the faith of the Gospel by which we drink, live, walk, and sow to the Spirit – this is spiritual life or regeneration (Romans 8:12-13; Galatians 6:7-9; Galatians 5:24-25).

Before the cross: I believe the gospel preached was salvation by the Messiah (Jesus Christ). For He said He was the bread of life, and He pointed to Himself as the way, the truth, and the life. After the cross with the apostle Paul: The gospel was fleshed out in written form for us. I believe the gospel is how we first get saved and that we have to stand upon believing in it. This gospel for us today is 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. But yes. I also believe that we must die to ourselves and pick up our cross as a part of the secondary aspect of Salvation. I believe we must keep His commandments or we are not going to make it into the Kingdom. We cannot justify sin or abide in grievous sin and think we are saved while we do so. Believers must confess and forsake sin indeed. The gospel to me is about being saved by God’s grace. This is the first aspect of salvation and it continues on into the life of the believer up until the end of our lives. We don’t stop believing in God’s grace after we receive Christ. But salvation also continues with a secondary aspect: Which is by a belief of the truth and by the Sanctification of the Spirit (Which is a call of the gospel - See: 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14). A call of the gospel is not the same thing as the actual gospel - IMHO. But both the gospel (1 Corinthians 15:1-4), and the call of the gospel (1 Thessalonians 2:13-14) are both necessary for salvation.

To check out my view of salvation in greater detail (if you have not seen it already) in this CF thread here:

The Four Aspects of Salvation.

I have slightly updated it recently.
 
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I believe in Conditional Salvation and that we have to preserve unto the end. I believe we have to endure in believing the gospel. No doubt about it. Although we do have our part to endure or walk with God (of our own free will), it’s also not by our own power alone, either. It’s synergistic. Christ also can work in us to endure and He can keep us from falling, too. For John 15:5 says that without Him, we can do nothing. This is what I believe Jesus was referring to as the good news in Matthew 24:13-14. I believe that by HIM, we can truly endure because the Lord is helping us to endure. This is good news because we are not alone. We have Jesus. He is the good news. So when Matthew 24:13 says he that endures to the end shall be saved and it is referred to as good news in Matthew 24:14, I believe this is in reference to the good news of Christ living in us helping us to endure to the end. Yes, we have our part to endure, too. No doubt about it. But without Jesus, we can do nothing. He is ultimately the one who helps us to endure if we abide in Him.



Before the cross: I believe the gospel preached was salvation by the Messiah (Jesus Christ). For He said He was the bread of life, and He pointed to Himself as the way, the truth, and the life. After the cross with the apostle Paul: The gospel was fleshed out in written form for us. I believe the gospel is how we first get saved and that we have to stand upon believing in it. This gospel for us today is 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. But yes. I also believe that we must die to ourselves and pick up our cross as a part of the secondary aspect of Salvation. I believe we must keep His commandments or we are not going to make it into the Kingdom. We cannot justify sin or abide in grievous sin and think we are saved while we do so. Believers must confess and forsake sin indeed. The gospel to me is about being saved by God’s grace. This is the first aspect of salvation and it continues on into the life of the believer up until the end of our lives. We don’t stop believing in God’s grace after we receive Christ. But salvation also continues with a secondary aspect: Which is by a belief of the truth and by the Sanctification of the Spirit (Which is a call of the gospel - See: 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14). A call of the gospel is not the same thing as the actual gospel - IMHO. But both the gospel (1 Corinthians 15:1-4), and the call of the gospel (1 Thessalonians 2:13-14) are both necessary for salvation.

To check out my view of salvation in greater detail (if you have not seen it already) in this CF thread here:

The Four Aspects of Salvation.

I have slightly updated it recently.

Good explanation.

The Spirit does guide and help in many in varied ways to those who remain faithful.

The sanctification of the Spirit is a reality for us as we walk by the Spirit by the same faith we had when we first believed.

Galatians 5:24-25 (WEB) 24 Those who belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts. 25 If we live by the Spirit, let’s also walk by the Spirit.

Galatians 6:7-9 (WEB) 7 Do not be deceived. God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. 8 For he who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption. But he who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life. 9 Let us not be weary in doing good, for we will reap in due season, if we don’t give up.

If our faith is authentic, we will continue to live sanctified lives, living in the Spirit of Christ.

1 Thessalonians 4:3-8 (WEB) 3 For this is the will of God: your sanctification, that you abstain from sexual immorality, 4 that each one of you know how to control his own body in sanctification and honor, 5 not in the passion of lust, even as the Gentiles who don’t know God, 6 that no one should take advantage of and wrong a brother or sister in this matter; because the Lord is an avenger in all these things, as also we forewarned you and testified. 7 For God called us not for uncleanness, but in sanctification. 8 Therefore he who rejects this doesn’t reject man, but God, who has also given his Holy Spirit to you.

Blessings
 
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Good explanation.

The Spirit does guide and help in many in varied ways to those who remain faithful.

The sanctification of the Spirit is a reality for us as we walk by the Spirit by the same faith we had when we first believed.

Galatians 5:24-25 (WEB) 24 Those who belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts. 25 If we live by the Spirit, let’s also walk by the Spirit.

Galatians 6:7-9 (WEB) 7 Do not be deceived. God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. 8 For he who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption. But he who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life. 9 Let us not be weary in doing good, for we will reap in due season, if we don’t give up.

If our faith is authentic, we will continue to live sanctified lives, living in the Spirit of Christ.

1 Thessalonians 4:3-8 (WEB) 3 For this is the will of God: your sanctification, that you abstain from sexual immorality, 4 that each one of you know how to control his own body in sanctification and honor, 5 not in the passion of lust, even as the Gentiles who don’t know God, 6 that no one should take advantage of and wrong a brother or sister in this matter; because the Lord is an avenger in all these things, as also we forewarned you and testified. 7 For God called us not for uncleanness, but in sanctification. 8 Therefore he who rejects this doesn’t reject man, but God, who has also given his Holy Spirit to you.

Blessings

God bless you, brother. Thank you for your words with Scripture today.
 
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Is the gospel more than 1 Corinthians 15:1-4?

I missed this thread, so I'm just picking it up. I have not read all the responses, so I'm not certain if I'm saying something that's already been said. Good question and topic, BTW.

The verses you question are not "the" gospel," but a part of it (which I'm pretty certain has been part of the discussion by now from at least seeing some of the verses brought up). 1Cor15 is plainly a discussion on the vital importance of the resurrection to our Faith. Paul uses an excerpt of his teachings of the gospel to enter into this specific teaching about the resurrection. Apart from the resurrection, we have nothing is the essence of what he says. In Romans 1:4 and Romans 10:8-9, Paul essential says the resurrection of Jesus proves He is Christ and God

Earlier in this letter, in 1 Corinthians 3:11, Paul speaks of the only foundation, which is Jesus Christ - "Jesus Christ" is more appropriately stated Jesus is Christ.

If we follow Paul back in his evangelistic travels, we can find him in and around Corinth, where he originally presented the good news that he references in 1 Corinthians 15. In Acts of the Apostles 18:5 Paul was being (different manuscripts say different things) directed by the Spirit or to the message declaring/testifying, "the Christ Jesus."

If we follow Paul back to Acts of the Apostles 13:13-41, there he gives a lengthy and historical teaching of the gospel that Jesus is Christ. Within this he speaks of the death, burial, and resurrection, which he excerpts in 1 Corinthians 15 to make certain the vital importance of the resurrection is understood. One of the pieces of OT Scripture he references to speak of the Christ is Psalms 2, which speaks of YHWH's Annointed - YHWH's Messiah/Christ - and provides an overview of His inheritance of the earth and His dominion over it and its kings.

The foundation of Paul's gospel is that Jesus in the resurrected Christ and God. This is language that means to those who truly understand it, that all knees are to bow in faith and obedience to Him. The rest of Paul's gospel details mainly the benefits available to those who do and remain doing so, and the consequences to those who do not.

We should all have Psalms 2 in our head and available. 1 Corinthians 15 does not provide this also vital detail. The resurrection simply points us to Psalms 2 and elsewhere to be better informed about who it is we're dealing with, and it points out some details about not angering Him.
 
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