Is The Flow Of Drugs From the South An Emergency?

[Speedwell]

They can only attest to what has been caught. Of course they’re going to catch more people crossing security checkpoints. They can’t give any kind of accurate number of how many actually make it across undetected. How can they count the ones they don’t know about?

Your argument seems to be that the Border Patrol has no idea how to deploy its existing resources so a monolithic concrete wall is the only way to make up for their incompetence.

 

[Erik Nelson]

3-4 weeks? It’s a 60 mile hike to get past the boarder patrol checkpoints. So at an average walking speed of 2.5 miles per hour walking 10 hours a day your looking at 2.5-3 days for the package to arrive at a safe pick up point.

all the posts about airplanes and ships. Bypassing a static wall. Seem to have some merit. But isn't the wall about more than just narcotics. Isn't it about illegal immigration also?

 

[BNR32FAN]

I think the bigger problem is that we are concentrating on keeping these criminals out of America instead of going head to head with them and addressing the problem in Mexico. I think we should cut off the root of the problem by sending troops to Mexico and not only stopping the problem of criminals coming to America but also from terrorizing Mexican citizens and being allowed to grow in strength and numbers. What we need is a full on war against the cartels.

 

[Speedwell]

all the posts about airplanes and ships. Bypassing a static wall. Seem to have some merit. But isn't the wall about more than just narcotics. Isn't it about illegal immigration also?

Not in general. Ordinary illegal economic immigration by Mexican nationals is down and could be further reduced by taking aggressive action against those who employ them, if the administration was prepared to do that. What the wall is about is keeping out refugees fleeing the violent failed states of Central America. The administration and its supporters seem quite frightened of these people.

 

[Erik Nelson]

Not in general. Ordinary illegal economic immigration by Mexican nationals is down and could be further reduced by taking aggressive action against those who employ them, if the administration was prepared to do that. What the wall is about is keeping out refugees fleeing the violent failed states of Central America. The administration and its supporters seem quite frightened of these people.

because there's double digits millions of such persons?

 

[Speedwell]

because there's double digits millions of such persons?

Right. The total population of the Northern Triangle countries is about thirty-two million. Do you really think that all those people are going to up and walk here at once?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Your argument seems to be that the Border Patrol has no idea how to deploy its existing resources so a monolithic concrete wall is the only way to make up for their incompetence.

Your argument seems to intended to stretch my point to the most ludicrous extreme way of possibly perceiving it. The boarder patrol themselves have said on several occasions that they are not sufficiently equipped to adequately patrol all 1200 miles of the border. This has nothing to do with incompetence it has to do with a lack of resources. The border patrol is in support of building the wall in order to slow down illegal entry giving them more time to be able to catch illegals entering the country. Do you think they are themselves saying that they are incompetent?

 

[BNR32FAN]

all the posts about airplanes and ships. Bypassing a static wall. Seem to have some merit. But isn't the wall about more than just narcotics. Isn't it about illegal immigration also?

I believe so and honestly I believe that is Trump’s actual intention of building the wall.

 

[Speedwell]

Your argument seems to intended to stretch my point to the most ludicrous extreme way of possibly perceiving it. The boarder patrol themselves have said on several occasions that they are not sufficiently equipped to adequately patrol all 1200 miles of the border. This has nothing to do with incompetence it has to do with a lack of resources. The border patrol is in support of building the wall in order to slow down illegal entry giving them more time to be able to catch illegals entering the country. Do you think they are themselves saying that they are incompetent?

No, it's them saying what we all know, that more manning, better technology and appropriate barriers where necessary would help them control the border more effectively. I understand that there may be a few Trumpian sycophants in the Border Patrol who support the idea of of a Wall, but most of them don't want it.

 

[Sistrin]

Is The Flow Of Drugs From the South An Emergency?

Why don't you ask all of the people who have died as a direct result of the flow of drugs from south of our border. Oh, wait...

 

[Speedwell]

Why don't you ask all of the people who have died as a direct result of the flow of drugs from south of our border. Oh, wait...

The Present Emergency is not about the flow of illegal drugs into this country. That would really qualify as an Emergency, if the president wanted to declare it that way. The emergency is about the president wanting to build a concrete monolith which would do little to stem the flow of drugs.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Not in general. Ordinary illegal economic immigration by Mexican nationals is down and could be further reduced by taking aggressive action against those who employ them, if the administration was prepared to do that. What the wall is about is keeping out refugees fleeing the violent failed states of Central America. The administration and its supporters seem quite frightened of these people.

When illegals come here they don’t usually already have a job lined up. The plan is typically to get here then find a job so whether or not there are jobs available won’t deter them from coming across looking for work because they didn’t know if they can find work before they came here in the first place.

 

[BNR32FAN]

because there's double digits millions of such persons?

And which all of them coming across illegally would produce a lot of cover for drug smugglers and criminals.

 

[Sistrin]

The Present Emergency is not about the flow of illegal drugs into this country.

Of course it is, and the President has stated so on multiple occasions.

The emergency is about the president wanting to build a concrete monolith which would do little to stem the flow of drugs.

It wouldn't accomplish everything in stemming the flow of drugs into the United States, but then that was never the claim. A wall would serve to greatly restrict the flow of not only drugs but illegal immigrants toward areas where the apprehension of would be easier.

 

[Speedwell]

When illegals come here they don’t usually already have a job lined up. The plan is typically to get here then find a job so whether or not there are jobs available won’t deter them from coming across looking for work because they didn’t know if they can find work before they came here in the first place.

Word would spread pretty quickly that employment of illegal aliens was being rigorously policed.

 

[Kaon]

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[Speedwell]

Of course it is, and the President has stated so on multiple occasions.

But we all know that it is the asylum seekers who have him and his fanbase stirred up.

It wouldn't accomplish everything in stemming the flow of drugs into the United States, but then that was never the claim. A wall would serve to greatly restrict the flow of not only drugs but illegal immigrants toward areas where the apprehension of would be easier.

So would increased manning, improved technology and appropriate barriers where they are useful.

 

[Sistrin]

But we all know that it is the asylum seekers who have him and his fanbase stirred up.

And you know that how? Telepathy?

 

[Gigimo]

Why don't you ask all of the people who have died as a direct result of the flow of drugs from south of our border. Oh, wait...

That's somewhere in the 70K per year range, and isn't that about double the gun deaths per year that they scream, rant and rave about?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Word would spread pretty quickly that employment of illegal aliens was being rigorously policed.

It has been for many years actually.