Is the Eucharist the body and blood of Christ?

[Willie T]

I'm sure someone would notice.

ARE you? Really?

 

[Willie T]

Indeed. The problem with most evangelicals is they will not study history but thinks everything must be spelled out in the Bible and anything that is from historic Traditional Churches that it must be Catholic. Ignorance of Christianity

Actually, all the origins and many traditions of the various churches that need that food to be changed can be traced right back to Catholicism.

The power (from God) is in following the obedience of the command Jesus gave us, not in the makeup of the stuff on the plate.

 

[HTacianas]

ARE you? Really?

Yes.

 

[TuxAme]

"We will necessarily add this also. Proclaiming the death, according to the flesh, of the only-begotten Son of God, that is Jesus Christ, confessing his resurrection from the dead, and his ascension into heaven, we offer the unbloody sacrifice in the churches, and so go on to the mystical thanksgivings, and are sanctified, having received his holy flesh and the precious blood of Christ the Savior of us all. And not as common flesh do we receive it; God forbid: nor as of a man sanctified and associated with the Word according to the unity of worth, or as having a divine indwelling, but as truly the life-giving and very flesh of the Word himself. For he is the life according to his nature as God, and when he became united to his flesh, he made it also to be life-giving" (Session 1, Letter of Cyril to Nestorius [A.D. 431]).

The first Christians, our elders in the faith, gave us no option but to accept this hard saying. Those who reject it do so at their own peril.

 

[TuxAme]

As soon as I figure out how so-called "priests" with all their side activities with children are supposed to work some hocus pocus given to them by God on the bread and wine to "change" it, I'll let you know the answer to that question.

Were you at the synagogue in Capernaum, you surely would have turned back and ceased to go about with Christ any longer. How could you possibly accept that the same men who denied Christ could work this miracle for His flock?

 

[Willie T]

How many people here have their officiant actually tear off a piece of bread from a larger loaf of bread and then hand that piece directly to you? That is the example Jesus gave us, is it not?
Manufactured wafers were not mentioned, were they?

What I am trying to show is how we all seem to have "selected" just a particular portion of that Passover scene with His disciples that we follow.

 

[Albion]

How many people here have their officiant actually tear off a piece of bread from a larger loaf of bread and then hand that piece directly to you? That is the example Jesus gave us, is it not?

I'm not sure that we can say Jesus tore off pieces and handed one to each of the Apostles individually, either. But if you mean that he passed the broken bread around for them to partake of it, yes, there are quite a few churches which follow that pattern.

 

[Willie T]

I'm not sure that we can say Jesus tore off pieces and handed one to each of the Apostles individually, either. But if you mean that he passed the broken bread around for them to partake of it, yes, there are quite a few churches which follow that pattern.

Yes, I know. We do it that way. But the several hundred pieces are already "pre-pulled" by the ladies that prepare the setup each Sunday morning. It takes two of them about a half hour to do it all every week. (If the preacher did it individually, communion would take much more than an hour, maybe even two hours, every Sunday.)

 

[Tutorman]

Actually, all the origins and many traditions of the various churches that need that food to be changed can be traced right back to Catholicism.

Actually that is completely false, as I said ignorance of real Church history and seeing Catholic boogeyman around every corner

 

[Rescued One]

Which forensic scientist examined it?

 

[Natsumi Lam]

That the Holy Eucharist is the very and real body and blood of our God and Savior Jesus Christ is also the Lutheran teaching, a point of confession that Lutheranism stands upon absolutely and without question. Indeed, if it is not Jesus Christ Himself here in His Supper, then we Lutherans are idolators. The bread and wine of the Eucharist is God Himself, and if that were not true, then I am an idolator.

-CryptoLutheran

How does a waffer and drink magikally change into actual flesh and blood but still look like a waffer and drink?

 

[HTacianas]

How does a waffer and drink magikally change into actual flesh and blood but still look like a waffer and drink?

The same way a believer's sins are washed away at baptism.

 

[Natsumi Lam]

The same way a believer's sins are washed away at baptism.

But the sins are not floating in the water and stuck to the tub. Ed you better get the sin brush and bleach out.

 

[ViaCrucis]

How does a waffer and drink magikally change into actual flesh and blood but still look like a waffer and drink?

How can a human being be the Eternal Son of God?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Natsumi Lam]

How can a human being be the Eternal Son of God?

-CryptoLutheran

? What does that have to do with waifers and flesh?

 

[ViaCrucis]

Which forensic scientist examined it?

If I were to travel back in time and collected a stray hair that fell from the Lord Jesus' head, brought it back to the present, and ran it through every possible test imaginable, would I at any time be able to show that Jesus was Divine?

Christian teaching says no. From all observations Jesus was a completely and ordinary human being, indeed we confess that He in being human was "like us in all ways except sin".

That Jesus is not only man, but also truly and really God, the Eternal Son of the Father, is not something that could be examined or tested by any forensic test. But He was--and is--nevertheless the Eternal Son of God, begotten of the Father before all ages as true God of true God.

By the same token no Christian thinks that if we put the species of the Eucharist under laboratory equipment that somehow we are going to discover dermal tissue or hemoglobin. It's going to look like completely ordinary bread and wine. Because it is. It is bread, and it is wine. But in the same way that the Lord Jesus is God and man, the bread and wine of the Eucharist is also the true body and blood of Christ.

How can we know this is so? By faith in Christ and His word. For He is the One who declares the bread and wine to be His very body and blood.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

? What does that have to do with waifers and flesh?

If you can explain how a flesh and blood human being can also be the Living God, then you'll have your answer as for how mere bread and wine can be the flesh and blood of Jesus Christ.

-CryptoLutheran