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Is the Earth Flat?

Discussion in 'Conspiracy Theories' started by Thomas White, Jul 27, 2021.

Degrees of Earth flatness:

  1. It's not flat. It's a giant, spinning spaceball.

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  2. It's flat, but all the other planets are giant, spinning spaceballs.

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  3. It's flat, and a dome surrounds it.

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  4. It's flat, a dome surrounds it, and the Earth is the center of the universe.

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  5. It's flat, domed, and planets/stars are actually illusions/objects in the dome.

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  6. It's all of the above, and the government is covering it all up at the behest of Satan.

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  1. Lost4words

    Lost4words Jesus I Trust In You Supporter

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    He has been where no flat earther has beeb before!
     
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  2. d taylor

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    So really what you are saying is to really believe the earth is flat. A person would have to believe that the sinful worldly man lies. I have absolute no problem believing this.

    Ok so there are two words that can be used for earth.

    You just show me in The Bible where one of these two words used in The Bible. Is used, so it is not referring to land/ground, but instead a water cover sphere with areas of land scattered on it.

    Also show me a globe with the actual correct land masses on it, where they actually should be on a globe.

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  3. SkyWriting

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    The earth is 99.98% flat. Flatter than your flat screen TV, flatter than your writing desk, flatter than anything you can manufacturer. But not completely.
     
  4. SkyWriting

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    It's flat.
     
  5. coffee4u

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    I have no issue (meaning I know they do, not that I am okay with it) with men lying or being wrong, they do so all the time, but it still comes back to why?
    It's no good simply saying it's a lie, there has to be a major reason behind such an expensive move. Countries don't toss away billions of dollars on a prank. I am also quite sure other countries like Russia would be only too happy to toss the US in the mud if they could prove a lie. So what are the people involved getting that makes such an enormous lie worth it?
     
  6. d taylor

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    Do you believe in evolution, if not, that is do not believe in any kind of evolution. That the first humans were Adam and Eve created by God as stated in Genesis.

    If so, it would interesting that you believe evolution is a lie, but then turn around and believe the other creation lies as being true.

    As this has been a work in progress over many centuries to establish a world, for the current evolution lie to exist in. As evolution can never exist in God's true creation of a flat stationary earth with a sun, moon and stars several 1000's of miles above the earth.
    The million, billion and trillion of miles/light years required for evolution to have taken place and exist. Only work in a globe earth that exist in an unending outer space/ universe with stars trillion's of mile/light years away. Evolution requires billions of years and billions of miles.
    So if a christian is going to believe in the globe earth that is required for evolution, they may as well believe in evolution also.

    With that said and this occurring over long span of time, i am surprised how christian's do not see the underlying satanic influence of this long and drawn out lie.

    As something solely a man inspired lie may last few years but would not carry on from one century to another. And also would not develop from just a lie about creation, into a lie about the being that God created, that God states is made in His image.

    Without first the lie about creation, the lie about God's created humankind which comes secondly, could not have happened. These lies need each other, sadly christianity has made that possible at least for christian's to believe it, the secular pagan world was already primed for it.
     
  7. coffee4u

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    Are you seriously asking me that or is that a rhetorical question?

    If I can remember that d taylor holds to a flat world surely you can remember that I am a 6 day creationist since my posts are all over the creation board quoting Exodus 20
    Exodus 20:11
    For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
    I think I may wear out the carpet from quoting that so many times. I have also agreed on your creation posts numerous times. Looks like I need to up my posting.
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    Of course evolution is a lie. It allows people to believe the fantasy that the world created itself without a creator. How else do atheists remain being atheists?

    Here is my verse where God says clearly he created in 6 days just in case you missed it above.
    Exodus 20:11
    For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
    It's very clear I am sure you would agree with me on that.


    And if you go back to he start it says:
    20 And God spake all these words, saying,
    Because some people try and claim that wasn't God speaking, but it clearly is. God himself said that he created in 6 days.

    Now over to flat earth. You do not have a clear verse where God says the earth is flat and you know that very well, as I have asked and pointed that out to you before.
    And as I said to you then, if you wish to believe the world is flat without a clear verse teaching it you are free to do so.

    This is my whole point. There is no such verse because if there were I would also believe it. But again (because all this is me repeating everything I have said before)
    the shape is not something I focus on. Whether it is flat, squished or as round as a rubber ball I don't really care. God does not need a flat earth or a sphere earth to create upon. God can work on any shape he wishes it to be.

    I think it is round because the moon looks round to me when I look at it. Sorry but it does. Now if God comes and tells me otherwise than that will also be fine, but you are not God.
    Secondly we have pictures of the earth. If those are a lie then what is the reason for the lie? Again I have never been shown any reasons and it would have to be a big reason to make governments spend billions of dollars. I don't think it's unreasonable of me to ask for a reason behind such a huge hoax is it?

    I am not your opponent and as I said before rifts and disagreements amongst those of us who do hold to creation only weakens what we are trying to teach.

    Of course it could. Evolutionists will get around anything. They ignore all evidence for a young earth.

    Also even in the flat world model, who gets to say the a sun, moon and stars are several 1000's of miles above the earth? Again there is no Bible verse stating that. I highly doubt every person who holds to flat earth thinks the same way. I bet if I did some research I would find numerous flat earth models.

    People could believe the earth is flat and also in space with stars trillion's of light years away.

    I believe God moved the stars into place. If that was several 1000 or billions of miles away makes no difference to me. No matter how far it was that God moved them, he did so in an instance.

    You must realize that the majority of 6 day creationists believe in a globe shaped earth?

    Because:
    1. There is no verse where God says the earth is flat.
    2. God can do his work on any shape and at any distance.
    3. No one has shown a good reason for the space pictures to be a lie and there needs to be one.
    4. The moon looks round with my own two eyes. Now I am quite aware that logic is not always the thing to follow, but God does not say otherwise. Which goes back to point 1, no clear verse saying the earth is flat.

    I disagree. The best lies, the most believable lies are those that contain a good amount of truth along with the untruth.
    The first lie spoken on earth was "Did God really say"?
    “Did God really say that you must not eat from any tree in the garden?”
    That lie has not changed.

    You however have not established that a globe earth is a lie since there is no clear verse teaching a flat earth. This is my focus, what scripture actually teaches.
    Science this time happens to agree with me but honestly I don't pay it much attention. Science isn't wrong all the time, it's given us medicines and the internet so we can argue here. :doh:

    Again I still disagree. Peoples varieties of belief are not so easily divided, they can be multi shaded. I've seen the oddest mix of beliefs since joining this site.

    There is no reason why someone couldn't believe that the world is flat but also flying around in space exactly the same way as a globe earth is. You assume all flat earth believers believe the earth is not only flat but also stationary, plus has a globe with the sun, moon and stars several thousand miles away. I say peoples beliefs are not so neat and tidy and that if you dig you will find a variety of believes even among flat earth proponents.
     
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  8. MMXX

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    According to the Silmarillion the earth was flat until God found it necessary to separate the blessed realm from the earth, which resulted in it becoming a sphere.
     
  9. coffee4u

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    Holding onto the potato model, maybe a chip (French fry)
     
  10. Lost4words

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    Why would God creat only one flat planet in the whole solar system?

    Why would all governments lie about space etc?

    Why would all science and technology lie?

    Why would William Shatner lie?
     
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    You mean the tater model.
     
  12. Lost4words

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    I used to believe in an old earth. Not so sure now. Plus, never believed in evolution.

    Yet, i do believe in a round earth. The evidence is overwhelming. Plus Biblical too.
     
  13. MMXX

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    The windows on Blue Origen are really transparent monitors. Shatner saw CGI imagery.
     
  14. JulieB67

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    The water is there at the beginning of Genesis. So water is very much a part of this earth, so it can't simply mean land at all times. It does mean our world.

    Genesis 1:2 "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep."

    The deep is the water.

    Deep 8415 an abyss (as a surging mass of water) espec. the deep (the main sea or the subteranean water supply)

    This touches on a different subject that Peter describes when talking about just how old the earth is,
    II Peter 3:5 "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:"


    By the word of God it states. Well in Genesis 1 if we take things back to the Hebrew, we can see that the earth "became null and void". One has to take the bible as a whole to find out these truths and we can see Peter definitely state that the heavens were of old and the earth is standing out of the water and in the water. This is the deep (the water) that God was looking at. It has nothing to do with Noah's flood. No Christian is willingly ignorant about that.

    I don't want to derail the thread onto another subject but the earth was covered in water at that time and God had to separate them so dry land could appear once again.

    Genesis 1:9 "And God said, "Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear:" and it was so."

    So we see that the land was engulfed in water as Peter described. Again, one has to take the bible as a hole to find out just why it was engulfed in water

    We can't always go against science, not when the Bible declares some of those truths. And to me it just strengthens my faith to know these truths.

    The thing is people like Columbus weren't even trying to prove that the earth was round, he was just trying to find short cuts and figured it out. As well as known scientists, astronomers from B.C. period. People weren't talking about evolution then. So they had nothing to gain by this.

    And just because I believe the earth is a sphere doesn't mean I believe in evolution.
     
  15. d taylor

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    The Bible shows that science is a 100% liar about God's creation. If you do not believe it, no loss on my behalf

    So Joshua 10:12-15 plainly states that the sun and moon are moving over the earth. Joshua commanded the sun and moon to stop moving and not only did Joshua command the sun and moon to stop moving but God listen to Joshua's command.

    Then Joshua spoke to the Lord

    that the Lord heeded the voice of a man;
     
  16. Lost4words

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    BREAKING NEWS!!!

    Jeff Bezos has announced that he is planning a special flight into space for several pre eminent flat earth "scholars".

    The original windows on his space vehicle are being fitted with special glass that makes the earth appear flat!!!! :p
     
  17. rturner76

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    A flat-Earth believer has their heart in the right place. They want to take man's word as directly written by God and littoral. They have great faith

    The devil doesn't use science. The devil may tempt someone to an evil deed but numbers and measurements in and of themselves are not good or evil.

    The Bible is many things. It's a history book, poetry, instruction for good living and how we should love each other. It is not a science book. They did not have the technology we have with super high-powered telescopes and satellites. Earth under your feet appears completely flat but the curve is so gradual you don't notice it. That's all they had to go by.

    A flat Eart makes sense on the ground but once you get a look at the Earth from space, there is no doubt. I think they were pretty sure the Earth was round hundreds of years before we went to outer space.
     
  18. d taylor

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    In another fifty+ years, evolution will be a high percentage of belief in churches. And the belief in a globe earth helped open that door. Evolution will eventually be accepted in church like how the globe earth is now which is about 99%+ of people in church.
     
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    8 inches per mile
     
  20. coffee4u

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    No it doesn't. There is a whole argument over the words 'was' and 'became' because that one single word choice changes the entire meaning of the sentence.

    "The earth was null and void".
    "the earth became null and void".

    One pictures a world being created once the other pictures a previous world being remade. Huge difference.
    The Hebrew word in question is "hayah" Most of the time it is translated as "was" and other times "became".

    To simply say "if we take things back to the Hebrew, we can see that the earth "became null and void"." is very misleading.

    What Genesis 1 actually says is "The earth hayah (was/became) null and void."
    Now once we acknowledge that, things becomes a whole lot more complicated.

    From there you need to look at other things to determine which word is going to be the correct one.
    First up, in all standard translations of the Old Testament, the word hayah in this sentence is translated as 'was' and for good reasons.
    'Was' is the most common usage of the word. It was only on some occasions that it changed to 'became'. Normally there would be supporting text around to suggest a change and Genesis 1 has no supporting text to suggest such a change is needed.

    We only have to jump over to Exodus to reaffirm that everything, including the heavens and the earth all took place within that 6 days.
    Exodus 20:11
    For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.


    So why would we jump to a lesser used version of a word when nothing indicates that we should? The only reason would be because it fits someones narrative. That is not a good reason.
     
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