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Featured Is the Earth flat or round???

Discussion in 'Creation & Theistic Evolution' started by Jay1971, May 13, 2018.

  1. FIRESTORM314

    FIRESTORM314 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    oh ok - done deal !
    just a few minute details need clarifying - Is that a hard roundish pear or female body type pair shape with a juicy centre.
     
  2. Aldebaran

    Aldebaran Star Power!

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    Can it be an Asian Pear? I know I'm being a bit sneaky by getting back to the spherical shape, but I'm crafty that way. But a pear is a pear. I don't discriminate based on its race. ;)
    [​IMG]
     
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  3. Jay1971

    Jay1971 Always seeking TRUTH Supporter

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    I'm a simple minded person..

    Matthews 11:25
    At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
     
  4. Jay1971

    Jay1971 Always seeking TRUTH Supporter

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    What I feel like sometimes....
     
  5. Steve Petersen

    Steve Petersen Senior Veteran

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    Six hundred and four posts about a question that is ludicrous. stayinschool.jpg
     
  6. Jay1971

    Jay1971 Always seeking TRUTH Supporter

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    Well the only issue I have with this person, He's getting paid to be like he is while laughing at you. :doh:
     
  7. Radagast

    Radagast is a Trinitarian Christian

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    Great video!
     
  8. MoneyGuy

    MoneyGuy Newbie

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    You two are quite the pair.
     
  9. Aldebaran

    Aldebaran Star Power!

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    Good for you. But God wants us to eventually become wise and prudent and not remain foolish. Also, babes need to grow up at some point.
     
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  11. The Ark Hive Mind

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    Posting here, since the other thread was ninja vanished:

    Consideration:

    1. Last I checked, a 'circle' was a 2 dimensional geometric mental construct and would most definitely be 'flat' [an imaginary 2 dimensinal plane] - See:

    "A circle is the set of points in a plane that are equidistant from a given point [​IMG]. The distance [​IMG] from the center is called the radius, and the point [​IMG] is called the center. Twice the radius is known as the diameter [​IMG]. The angle a circle subtends from its center is a full angle, equal to [​IMG] or [​IMG] radians." - Circle -- from Wolfram MathWorld

    also see - Wolfram|Alpha: Making the world’s knowledge computable

    2. Last I checked, even when a 'circle' is drawn on paper, even with the thinist ink [even a computer pixel drawing as linked above], etc., it then contains a depth, and is not longer truly a 'circle', but now a hollow cylinder [like a pipe] [as it now has 3 dimensional depth, even if miniscule].

    3. Last I checked, even the flat-earth models are not a 'circle' as such, but are varied 'cones', 'chips and dips bowls', 'terrariums' [with spheroid or domish surroundings, or other], all of which have more than their stated "four corners", as such cubish that have 8 corners.
     
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  12. Doctor.Sphinx

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    Just reinforcing the point that "circle of the Earth" or "round Earth" mentioned in the bible doesn't necessarily support a ball-Earth.
     
  13. The Ark Hive Mind

    The Ark Hive Mind The Ark Hive

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    Could I suggest a test?

    Testing the earth, from a strictly objective exercise:

    1. Alaska and the tip of Cape Horn (south America) exists, yes?
    2. Central USA (Kansasish) and Central Australia (middle of nowhere'sish) exists, yes?
    3. Iceland and Antarctica exists, yes?
    4. England (or GB) and New Zealand exists, yes?​

    Experiment. 2 locations; one location for experiment at each place on any set of the above, with radio and telescopic lenses (direct line of sight communications, telescopy only). All four options (8 sites) can be tested a differing times.

    Send up (straight up as is possible) 10 (100, 1000) Helium ballons (or whatever) with the radio/lazer/etc tracking and telescopic cameras (remember direct line of sight only, lazer or whatever). Half 'balloons' in each location.

    Can each orbiting location of objects 'see' each other at say at LEO (Low Earth Orbit; "of 2,000 km (1,200 mi) or less" Wiki]) in direct line of sight. Can they see each other at a higher orbit of MEO (Middle Earth Orbit; "is the region of space around Earth above low Earth orbit (altitude of 2,000 km (1,243 mi) above sea level) and below geostationary orbit (altitude of 35,786 km (22,236 mi) above sea level).[1]" Wiki) and continue so on until they can direct line of sight, measure 'height'.

    This cannot be a model test, but has to be an actual test (though I suppose a model test would give a rough estimate at which point the objects would have direct line of sight to look for in the real test).
     
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  14. Hiscosmicgoldfish3

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    The earth is an oblate sphere-oid or pear shaped, according to Mike Tyson. All the other planets are round, except the earth, which is pear-oid shaped.
     
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  15. The Ark Hive Mind

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    Consideration:

    1. Yet a 'circle' on a sphere (oid) would be at any point on the globe, since the outer point is at the radial point (radii, it if 2 or more points on edge of cricle) from the central point.

    Therefore, that God can be above at any point of the earth, and as such at any given point, if would indeed be a circle, from the center of the globe to the radial point, extending to the opposing radial point.

    2. a "circle" is "round" as is a sphere (oid).

    3. earth is not a 'ball' (a toy). It is a sphere (oid), as the other objects (great planetary and other such as sun) in the second heaven are. They (sun, moon, planets surrounding us) can be seen with the naked eye, and with telescopes on earth. They are sphere.

    4. Lunar eclipses. Looking at a simple flat-earth model, the sun/moon are generally rotating on the same height (but even if they were not), how would one get a lunar eclipse? The earth itself would have to come between the sun and moon. How is that possible on such a model of flat-eart?
     
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  16. The Ark Hive Mind

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    Another test. A more earthly one.

    Things needed.

    1. Flatlands, with basically 0 elevation rise for 100's miles.
    2. A hot air ballon 100/200 feet high, tethered to the ground (with basically 0 winds, you want as straight up and down as is possible), stationed at 100/200 feet high (or what ever), with a powerfully visible colored object dangling from it to the ground (long wide roll of hot pink/green ~ whatever) and have it also tethered from baloon to ground (you could even mark it off at every so many feet, but not sur they would be visible at such distance).
    3. Telescope (preferrably with lazer acurracy) and even a powerful single beam lazer (if available to you) and recording devices of course, you will want to film your results.
    4. Walking distance until the object disappears completely in the farthest zoom lens, and crews of persons at both ends.​

    Get out to the great flatlands of Kansas (etc) or even Australia (middle of nowhere'ish).

    1. Set up the air balloon and tethering and dangling cloth at the specified height.
    2. Take the other equipment and drive (or offroad) until you get to such measured distances, as 1 mile, 5 miles, 10 miles, 15 miles, 20 miles, and keep checking the elevation by GPS if necessary (so as to be at the same basic level of ground you started from walking).
    3. At some point, as the curvature of the earth comes inbetween the two crews, the object of the airballoon with completely disappear at any magnification.​

    If you can't get on flat land. WATER!

    Get out on the water of a massive lake that is miles across with same basic elements. Ballon, boat, and so on. Try there also - List of largest lakes of the United States by area - Wikipedia

    If persons want to argue the Bible and spin their wheels over semantics, then do the experiements, as honest experiementation cannot contradict truth ~ John 17:17.
     
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  17. Jay1971

    Jay1971 Always seeking TRUTH Supporter

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    Truth is out there.


    Rom 1:16


    For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
    Rom 1:17

    For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
    Rom 1:18


    For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
    Rom 1:19

    Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
    Rom 1:20

    For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
     
  18. majj27

    majj27 Mr. Owl has had quite enough

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    Needs more X-files theme.
     
  19. NBB

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    Just grab a free planetarium software program.
    Don´t you know that they are able to predict the position of almost anything in the sky?
    How such software could be made if the known model is false?
    Check it yourself. You can fastforward and rewind in time with the programs and can predict for even thousands of years.
    The most popular one is stellarium.
     
  20. Doctor.Sphinx

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    The software doesn't use the known model. It uses past predictions. The predictions were accurate even in Ptolemy's day of epicycles (i.e. a different model).
     
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