Futurist Only Is the distinction between the Greek words for "temple" significant?

[Zao is life]

And I took the little book out of the angel's hand and ate it up. And it was sweet as honey in my mouth, and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was made bitter.

And he said to me, You must prophesy again before many peoples and nations and tongues and kings.

And I will give power to My two witnesses, and they will prophesy a thousand, two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth. And when they complete their testimony, the beast coming up out of the abyss will make war against them and will overcome them and kill them.

And a mouth speaking great things was given to the beast, and blasphemies. And authority was given to it to continue forty-two months. And it opened its mouth in blasphemy toward God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle (Greek: naos), and those dwelling in Heaven. And it was given to it to war with the saints and to overcome them.

And a reed like a rod was given to me. And the angel stood, saying, Rise up and measure the temple (Greek: naos) of God, and the altar, and those who worship in it. But leave out the court which is outside the temple (naos), and do not measure it, for it was given to the nations. And they will trample the holy city forty-two months.

who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple (naos) of God, setting himself forth, that he is God.

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* Every reference to the temple in heaven in the Revelation uses the Greek word naos (English: temple).

* References in the New Testament to the bodies of individual Christians as the temple of God, and to the church as the temple, use the Greek word naos (temple).

* The references in the gospels to the tearing of the temple veil between the holy place and the most holy place in the Jerusalem temple, all use the Greek word naos.

* In the gospels, the Greek uses the word hieron (English: temple) in all references to the temple buildings and precincts of the temple in Jerusalem, including the outer courts (see the screen-shot image of the Strong's Greek Dictionary above).

* The gospels use the Greek word naos in references to the holy place and most holy place of the temple in Jerusalem - but only up until the verses describing the tearing of the veil at the time of Christ's death on the cross.

* All other New Testament references to the Jerusalem temple (from the book of Acts onward), use the word hieron.

If the verse talking about the man of sin in the temple and the verses talking about John being told to measure the temple are exceptions, they are the only exceptions. However, where John is told in the Revelation to measure the temple, he is told not to measure the outer court because it has been given to the nations who will trample the holy city underfoot - and elsewhere the Revelation describes the heavenly Jerusalem as "the holy city", but the Jerusalem on earth it describes as "Sodom and Egypt".

Therefore the temple John is told to measure could hardly be referring to an earthly temple - and this is confirmed by the fact that the Greek word naos (temple of God) is used in that verse.

SECOND POINT AND SIDE-NOTE

* When John received the Revelation, he had been banished by Rome to the island of Patmos. He did not "prophesy before many peoples and nations and tongues and kings", and there is no record in Christian history of him ever having done so.

Yet he was told, "You must prophesy again before many peoples and nations and tongues and kings", and these words precede the words where he is told to measure the temple, and where he is told about the two witnesses who will prophesy in the last days.

* In the Revelation, these are the last days events that result in the resurrection of the martyred, the return of Christ, and the sounding of the seventh trumpet. (Just saying - I have no established belief about who the two witnesses are. I just notice how what we read in Revelation 11's opening verses seem to flow from Revelation 10's closing verses - and there were no chapter and verse divisions inserted into the Bible when the Revelation was first recorded).

References to quoted texts: 2 Thesss 2:4, Revelation 10 and 11, and Revelation 13:1-7.

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[pdudgeon]

How interesting! The distinctions that you have noted make good sense indeed, and they also serve to emphasize the holiness of God and His creation.
Thank you for posting!

 

[keras]

* Every reference to the temple in heaven in the Revelation uses the Greek word naos (English: temple).

..."in heaven', is your assumption. Revelation 11 does not say that, in fact normal reading of that chapter, leads one to believe it is on earth.

Many other prophesies confirm this.

 

[pdudgeon]

Further notes:
John testified through his writing of Revelation, which was spread and continues to be spread over the world today.
The two prophets are Enoch, who was taken by God, Genesis 5:24, and Elijah, also taken by God in 2Kings 2:11.
Neither of these men died while on Earth. So to fulfill scripture, they are returned to give a last testimony and prophesy, before being killed as martyrs in Revelation 11:7.

 

[Zao is life]

..."in heaven', is your assumption. Revelation 11 does not say that, in fact normal reading of that chapter, leads one to believe it is on earth.

Many other prophesies confirm this.

The Revelation's references to the heavenly temple use the word naos.
If Rev 11:1 is an exception, is up to the interpreter of the N.T to decide.

Likewise, the N.T reference to the bodies of individual Christians and to the church as the temple of God, use the word naos. If 2Thes 2:4 is an exception, is up to the interpreter of the N.T to decide - because the last time the word naos is used in the N.T in reference to the temple in Jerusalem, is in the verses in the gospels describing the tearing of the veil - unless 2 Thess 2:4 and Rev 11:1 are the only two exceptions.

 

[Marilyn C]

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Good point,


The Third Temple - Where?

To be categorically exact regarding Israel's function as the "Catalyst for the Countdown", one
further event was specified as a prerequisite. This was the temple with its inner sanctum, The
Holy Place"; according to the signs predicted by Jesus (Matt 24:15) and Paul (2 Thess 2:4).
Many commentators have relegated this to the obscure future, because they consider the
temple has to be constructed on Mount Moriah, the site of Herod's temple. The
insurmountable object of course, is that the Dome of the Rock, the second most holy place of
Islam, already occupies that position.


This is an entirely false premise, however, that has created confusion. The Temple built by
Solomon, the Temple frequented by Jesus and His Disciples were both built on Mount Moriah.
Ezekiel predicts that another will be constructed on the same place after Jesus returns in Glory.
Every reference to all three Temples on this site was a translation of the Greek Word "Hieron".

Any "Temple" erected elsewhere was invariably from the Greek word "Naos". This word is
frequently rendered "Meeting Place", "Dwelling" or "Synagogue". It is the later word "Naos"
that is used by Paul (2 Thess 2:4) in reference to the Temple used by contemporary Israel. It has
absolutely no connection exegetically with the site on Mt. Moriah. In fact there is no
prerequisite for it to be built there. To the contrary, in line with Greek usage, it must be
constructed elsewhere.


The Embassy of Israel advises that on August 1982, in the Presence of the Prime Minister,
Menachem Begin, Members of Cabinet and many other notables, the Jerusalem great
Synagogue was dedicated. It is situated in King George Street, and is constructed from the
same local stone as was Solomon's Temple. The central feature is a high tower containing five
magnificent stained-glass windows, topped by two tablets of stone, bearing the Ten
Commandments.


The Temple referred to by Paul is built!


In the interior, marble has been used extensively, especially for the Ark situated beneath the
stained-glass windows. This I believe is the Holy Place which will be desecrated by the
"Abomination of Desolation" referred to by Jesus (Matthew 24:15)


The countdown is well on the way.

 

[Zao is life]

Further notes:
John testified through his writing of Revelation, which was spread and continues to be spread over the world today.
The two prophets are Enoch, who was taken by God, Genesis 5:24, and Elijah, also taken by God in 2Kings 2:11.
Neither of these men died while on Earth. So to fulfill scripture, they are returned to give a last testimony and prophesy, before being killed as martyrs in Revelation 11:7.

That is a possibility. Has been on my short list of possibilities for a long time. There are a few possibilities when it comes to the two witnesses but I don't know who gets the job in the end.

 

[Douggg]

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I am totally lost to whatever point you are making.

The temple in Revelation 11 will be a literal stone temple forthcoming, with physical dimensions measurable by a rod (similar of a yard or meter stick).

The length of the rod in Revelation 11 was not given, but I think reference made of using a rod was intended that confusion would not be made of the temple in Revelation 11 being anything other than a physical temple.

 

[Zao is life]

I am totally lost to whatever point you are making.

The temple in Revelation 11 will be a literal stone temple forthcoming, with physical dimensions measurable by a rod (similar of a yard or meter stick).

The length of the rod in Revelation 11 was not given, but I think reference made of using a rod was intended that confusion would not be made of the temple in Revelation 11 being anything other than a physical temple.

.. and then again it could very well be a symbolic way of saying that John is being told to count the sheep because the Lord's harvest is about to be gathered (the Revelation is highly symbolic).

Notice that it's the temple being measured in Rev.11:1-2, and the Greek word used is naos - but the outer court of the temple being mentioned is linked to the Gentiles treading the holy city underfoot.

* The holy city which will be trod underfoot is described elsewhere in the Revelation as the New Jerusalem, whereas Jerusalem which now exists on earth is described as Sodom and Egypt.

* The saints will be overcome according to both Daniel 12:7 and Revelation 13:7.

The Greek New Testament does not use that word naos in reference to the Jerusalem temple again after the verses describing the tearing of the veil, unless the verse describing the temple John is told to measure and the verse describing the temple the man of sin will seat himself up in, are the only two exceptions (see below).

* The holy city is identified as New Jerusalem in Rev.21:10 and Rev.22:19, and because the Bible is always consistent with its own symbolism, it's hardly likely that the Revelation would call Jerusalem on earth both Sodom and Egypt AND the holy city all in the same passage.

* The verses (Rev.11:1-2) are written in such a way as to link the outer court of the same temple mentioned in Rev.11:1 with the holy city being trodden underfoot.

* The Greek word naos is used to describe the temple being spoken of in verse 1.

 

[ShineyDays2]

If 2Thes 2:4 is an exception, is up to the interpreter of the N.T to decide - because the last time the word naos is used in the N.T in reference to the temple in Jerusalem, is in the verses in the gospels describing the tearing of the veil - unless 2 Thess 2:4 and Rev 11:1 are the only two exceptions.

2 Thess 2:4 and Rev 11:1 is very clear... The Greek word "naos" is consistent with the context if you understand that "the man of sin" is not a literal one man running around the world declaring himself to be God. The word in the context does not refer to the literal temple in Jerusalem at all. Unfortunately, many, many people do misunderstand it because they don't realize that the the Greeks had one word "naos" for the Most Holy Place and a different word for the general area of the temple (literal/hieron) complex.

 

[ShineyDays2]

..."in heaven', is your assumption. Revelation 11 does not say that, in fact normal reading of that chapter, leads one to believe it is on earth.

100% WRONG keras!!!

• There is a total of 16 usages of the word "heaven" in the Book of Revelation.
• In Revelation 11 there is a total of 5 times the word "heaven" is used.
• In Revelation 11 there is a total of 4 times the the word "temple/naos" is used.
• In Revelation 11 the word earth is used only twice and the context does not support your preconceived created plan for the end of the ages whatsoever... These clearly refute your claim that Revelation 11 takes place on earth....

Rev 1:5 "...and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the first-born of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. Jesus was crowned King just prior to his Crucifixion and rules the church from "heaven" - not on earth in your "third physical temple/hieron" which is nowhere indicated in the entire book.

Rev 1:7 "Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, every one who pierced him; and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen.

Only two verses after 1:5 does it indicate that if "Jesus is coming with clouds" he is IN heaven until the end of the ages! Can't be more clear!!!!!