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Before answering, I think it's important to explain the question further. When I ask, "Is sin part of God's plan?" I'm not asking if God desires or wills for people to sin, and I'm not asking if God is the author of sin or makes people sin. I'm also not asking about whether God withholds his grace so people will sin.
What I'm trying to do is better understand the Lutheran position on God's role in predestination and the events that occur in the universe. I know Lutherans teach God only elects and monergistically brings the elect to faith and salvation and that Lutherans also teach, paradoxically, God never wills, desires, or predestines people to hell.
But does that mean those who sin and all the bad things that happen in the world happen apart from God's plan? If so, how could anything happen in a universe governed by God that isn't part of his plan on some level?
I've been thinking about this a lot lately, and I wonder if it's possible to understand the evil things that happen in the world as an outworking of God's hierarchy of positive, good desires. In other words, God has a certain set of desires for the world revealed in scripture. He wants all people to come to faith, he wills that none should perish, he hates sin and evil, etc. Yet, God wants people to have the ability to reject him. All these desires are good in the eyes of God, but not necessarily equal. Some desires God wants more than others. For example, as a result of his desire for people to have the freedom to reject him, sinful things happen. If God wanted, he could just instantly bring all people to faith. Thus, God must want people to have the freedom to reject him more than he wants all people to come to faith.
Couldn't this explain why scripture in some places suggest all things happen as a part of God's plan while also establishing God has a clear desire for all people to come to faith? Is any of this compatible with Lutheranism, or would Lutherans totally reject any idea that God's plan includes sin on any level?
What I'm trying to do is better understand the Lutheran position on God's role in predestination and the events that occur in the universe. I know Lutherans teach God only elects and monergistically brings the elect to faith and salvation and that Lutherans also teach, paradoxically, God never wills, desires, or predestines people to hell.
But does that mean those who sin and all the bad things that happen in the world happen apart from God's plan? If so, how could anything happen in a universe governed by God that isn't part of his plan on some level?
I've been thinking about this a lot lately, and I wonder if it's possible to understand the evil things that happen in the world as an outworking of God's hierarchy of positive, good desires. In other words, God has a certain set of desires for the world revealed in scripture. He wants all people to come to faith, he wills that none should perish, he hates sin and evil, etc. Yet, God wants people to have the ability to reject him. All these desires are good in the eyes of God, but not necessarily equal. Some desires God wants more than others. For example, as a result of his desire for people to have the freedom to reject him, sinful things happen. If God wanted, he could just instantly bring all people to faith. Thus, God must want people to have the freedom to reject him more than he wants all people to come to faith.
Couldn't this explain why scripture in some places suggest all things happen as a part of God's plan while also establishing God has a clear desire for all people to come to faith? Is any of this compatible with Lutheranism, or would Lutherans totally reject any idea that God's plan includes sin on any level?