Is Saturday Worship the Mark of the Beast?

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Revelation speaks of everyone receiving a mark that signifies unity with the evil Beast.

Everyone knows that a new "mark" arose among Christianity in recent centuries that for the first time in history caused some people to break away from Sunday observance of the Lord's Resurrection. This unique mark could be the one foreseen in Revelation.

History demonstrates that while the Christian Church observed Sunday celebration of the Lord's Resurrection from the first century onward, a new practice began marking certain people starting in 1860, when a new sect began introducing a practice that did not originate among the early Church up to that time: a mass boycott of the Lord's Day.

I'm becoming convinced that the Saturday Worship that this group promotes instead of the Lord's Day is so unique in Christian history as to represent a possible Mark of the Beast. The sect that launched the new movement even has a special prophet: Ellen G. White. And we all know that a false prophet figures large in the book of Revelation.

I look forward to all your posts on this recent historical religious aberration as it relates to the unfolding of satan's plans for the last days.
 
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As is the constant witness of history concerning the early Christians, the standard gathering day of worship is Sunday (the Lord's Resurrection Day).

In the year 100AD, Ignatius, Bishop of Antioch states:

Ingatius, Bishop of Antioch (AD 100)
"Those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death - whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith, and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master - how shall we be able to live apart from Him, whose disciples the prophets themselves in the Spirit did wait for Him as their Teacher? And therefore He whom they rightly waited for, being come, raised them from the dead (St. Ignatius: Letter to the Magnesians; Ch 9)

This simple statement by a bishop of one of the apostles' churches echoes that which was stated in an even earlier historic document, The Epistle of Barnabas:

Epistle of Barnabas
"Finally He [God] says to them: ‘I cannot bear your new moons and Sabbaths.’ You see what he means: It is not the present Sabbaths that are acceptable to me, but the one that I have made; on that Sabbath day, which is the beginning of another world. This is why we spend the eighth day in celebration, the day on which Jesus both arose from the dead and, after appearing again, ascended into heaven."​
And that statement is followed by many other statements on the subject by the earliest Christians of the apostolic age. Justin Martyr, in about 150 AD says: "On Sunday, we meet to celebrate the Lord’s supper and read the Gospels and Sacred Scripture, the first day on which God changed darkness, and made the world, and on which Christ rose from the dead."

And this Sunday observance of the Lord's Resurrection Day continued for centuries without interruption. As Eusebius, bishop of Caesarea writes around the year AD 300: "The day of [Christ’s] light...was the day of his resurrection from the dead, which they say, as being the one and only truly holy day and the Lord’s day, is better than any number of days as we ordinarily understand them, and better than the days set apart by the Mosaic law for feasts, new moons, and Sabbaths, which the apostle [Paul] teaches are the shadow of days and not days in reality" (Proof of the Gospel 4:16:186).

And so things continued through all the ecumenical councils of the early Church, and even on through the protestant reformation.


But in the 1800s, following a failed prediction of the Lord's final return in 1844, a last-days group of Americans emerged that received a new doctrine: a mass boycott of Sunday observance of the Lord's Day. The foremost proponent of the new Saturday Sabbath-keeping among early Adventists was retired sea captain Joseph Bates. Bates was introduced to the Sabbath doctrine by a tract written by a Millerite preacher named Thomas M. Preble, who in turn had been influenced by Rachel Oakes Preston, a young Seventh Day Baptist. This new message was gradually accepted and formed the topic of the first edition of the church publication The Present Truth (now the Adventist Review), which appeared in July 1849. Among its most prominent figures were James White, Ellen G. White and Joseph Bates. Ellen White came to occupy a particularly central role; her many visions and strong leadership convinced her fellow Adventists that she possessed the gift of prophecy.

Could it be that Ellen White is the False Prophet of the Book of Revelation? And how might that relate to the mark of Saturday Sabbath observance?
 
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Aren't the SDAs the same thing as the SDBs, and didn't the movement arise out of the ashes of the Great Disappointment of 1844, which was a false prediction of the end of the world that led to a MASS hysteria among Americans. And they had a "prophet" that fueled them in their novelty, much like the prophet of Revelation does.

This idea of predicting falsely what will be in the future is what characterizes a "false prophet." And it seems appropriate that the Mark of the Beast (rejection of Sunday observance of Lord's Resurrection Day) would arise in modern times from verifiably false prophets and prophetesses.
 
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In researching this, it seems possible that Ellen G White might have been influenced by the prophetess Joanna Southcott (1750-1814), a native of Devonshire, who composed many spiritual poems and prophetical writings, and became the mother of a sect of Sabbatarians, also known as Southcottians or Joannas. Joanna Southcott's disciples confidently awaited the birth of the promised Messiah whom the prophetess of sixty-four was to bring into the world. They gave practical proof of their faith by preparing a costly cradle. They did not abandon all hope when the poor deluded woman died of the disease which had given a false appearance of pregnancy. The sect survived for many years; and when in 1874 her tombstone was shattered by an accidental explosion, the supposed portent re-enkindled the faith of her followers.

I can see a lot in common here: Revelation's false prophet driving people to follow strange new doctrines in the 1800s. It's so interesting to see how Revelation speaks of a false Prophetess, i.e., a woman like Joanna Southcott, who perhaps knew or influenced E.G. White..
 
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All the ingredients for the Mark of the Beast are right here:

(1) a radical change to the standard worship within Christianity
(2) obscure prophetesses who foretell strange things and deceive large numbers of people in their web of failed prophecies
(3) a clear mark that is related to worship (Saturday and rejection of the Lord's Resurrection Day).

To think that Sunday observance of the Lord's Resurrection Day, which has been the constant practice of all Christianity for 2,000 years, might be the mark doesn't make any sense whatsoever. However, the radical departure from that true and constant faith offered by the Sabbatarian prophetesses may very well be the mark of the beast.
 
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In researching this...
HISTORIANS SPEAK:

"It would be an error to attribute [‘the sanctification of Sunday’] to a definite decision of the Apostles. There is no such decision mentioned the Apostolic documents [that is, the New Testament]."—Antoine Villien, A History of the Commandments of the Church, 1915, p. 23.

"It must be confessed that there is no law in the New Testament concerning the first day."—McClintock and Strong, Cyclopedia of Biblical, Theological and Ecclesiastical Literature, Vol. 9, p. 196.

"Until well into the second century [a hundred years after Christ] we do not find the slightest indication in our sources that Christians marked Sunday by any kind of abstention from work."—W. Rordorf, Sunday, p. 157.

"The ancient Sabbath did remain and was observed . . by the Christians of the Eastern Church [in the area near Palestine] above three hundred years after our Saviour’s death."—A Learned Treatise of the Sabbath, p. 77.

"The festival of Sunday, like all other festivals was always only a human ordinance, and it was far from the intentions of the apostles to establish a Divine command in this respect, far from them, and from the early apostolic church, to transfer the laws of the Sabbath to Sunday."—Augustus Neander, The History of the Christian Religion and Church, 1843, p. 186.

"The [Catholic] Church took the pagan buckler of faith against the heathen. She took the pagan Roman Pantheon [the Roman], temple to all the gods, and made it sacred to all the martyrs; so it stands to this day. She took the pagan Sunday and made it the Christian Sunday . . The Sun was a foremost god with heathendom. Balder the beautiful: the White God, the old Scandinavians called him. The sun has worshipers at this very hour in Persia and other lands . . Hence the Church would seem to have said, ‘Keep that old pagan name. It shall remain consecrated, sanctified.’ And thus the pagan Sunday, dedicated to Balder, became the Christian Sunday, sacred to Jesus. The sun is a fitting emblem of Jesus. The Fathers often compared Jesus to the sun; as they compared Mary to the moon."—William L. Gildea, "Paschale Gaudium," in The Catholic World, p. 58, March 1894.

"The Church made a sacred day of Sunday . . largely because it was the weekly festival of the sun;—for it was a definite Christian policy to take over the pagan festivals endeared to the people by tradition, and give them a Christian significance."—Authur Weigall, The Paganism in Our Christianity, 1928, p. 145.

"Remains of the struggle [between the religion of Christianity and the religion of Mithraism] are found in two institutions adopted from its rival by Christianity in the fourth century, the two Mithraic sacred days: December 25, ‘dies natalis solis’ [birthday of the sun], as the birthday of Jesus,—and Sunday, ‘the venerable day of the Sun,’ as Constantine called it in his edict of 321."—Walter Woodburn Hyde, Paganism to Christianity in the Roman Empire, p. 60.

" ‘Babylon, the mother of harlots,’ derived much of her teaching from pagan Rome and thence from Babylon. Sun worship—that led her to Sundaykeeping,—was one of those choice bits of paganism that sprang originally from the heathen lore of ancient Babylon: The solar theology of the ‘Chaldeans’ had a decisive effect upon the final development of Semitic paganism . . [It led to their] seeing the sun the directing power of the cosmic system. All the Baals were thence forward turned into suns; the sun itself being the mover of the other stars—like it eternal and ‘unconquerable’ . . Such was the final form reached by the religion of the pagan Semites, and following them, by that of the Romans . . when they raised ‘Sol Invictus’ [the Invincible Sun] to the rank of supreme divinity in the empire."—Franz F. V. M. Cummont, Astrology and Religion Among the Greeks and Romans, p. 55.

"Unquestionably the first law, either ecclesiastical or civil, by which the Sabbatical observance of that day is known to have been ordained, is the edict of Constantine, A.D. 321."—Chamber’s Encyclopedia, article, "Sabbath."

Here is the first Sunday law in history, a legal enactment by Constantine I (reigned 306-337): "On the Venerable Day of the Sun ["Venerable die Solis"—the sacred day of the Sun] let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits; because it often happens that another day is not so suitable for grain-sowing or for vine-planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost—given the 7th day of March [A.D. 321], Crispus and Constanstine being consuls each of them for the second time."—The First Sunday Law of Constantine I, in "Codex Justianianus," lib. 3, tit. 12,3; trans. in Phillip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, Vol. 3, p. 380.

"This [Constantine’s Sunday decree of March 321] is the ‘parent’ Sunday law making it a day of rest and release from labor. For from that time to the present there have been decrees about the observance of Sunday which have profoundly influenced European and American society. When the Church became a part of State under the Christian emperors, Sunday observance was enforced by civil statutes, and later when the Empire was past, the Church in the hands of the papacy enforced it by ecclesiastical and also by civil enactments."—Walter W. Hyde, Paganism to Christianity in the Roman Empire, 1946, p. 261.

"Constantine’s decree marked the beginning of a long, though intermittent series of imperial decrees in support of Sunday rest."—Vincent J. Kelly, Forbidden Sunday and Feast-Day Occupations, 1943, p. 29.

"Constantine labored at this time untiringly to unite the worshipers of the old and the new into one religion. All his laws and contrivances are aimed at promoting this amalgamation of means melt together a purified heathenism and a moderated Christianity . . Of all his blending and melting together of Christianity and heathenism, none is more easy to see through than this making of his Sunday law: The Christians worshiped their Christ, the heathen their sun-god [so they should now be combined]."—H. G. Heggtveit, Illustreret Kirkehistorie, 1895, p. 202.

"All things whatsoever that were prescribed for the [bible] Sabbath, we have transferred them to the Lord’s day, as being more authoritative and more highly regarded and first in rank, and more honorable than the Jewish Sabbath."—Bishop Eusebius, quoted in J. P. Migne, "Patrologie," p. 23, 1169-1172 [Eusebius of Caesarea was a high-ranking Catholic leader during Constantine’s lifetime].

"As we have already noted, excepting for the Roman and Alexandrian Christians, the majority of Christians were observing the seventh-day Sabbath at least as late as the middle of the fifth century [A.D. 450]. The Roman and Alexandrian Christians were among those converted from heathenism. They began observing Sunday as a merry religious festival in honor of the Lord’s resurrection, about the latter half of the second century A.D. However, they did not try to teach that the Lord or His apostles commanded it. In fact, no ecclesiastical writer before Eusebius of Caesarea in the fourth century even suggested that either Christ or His apostles instituted the observance of the first day of the week.

"These Gentile Christians of Rome and Alexandria began calling the first day of the week ‘the Lord’s day.’ This was not difficult for the pagans of the Roman Empire who were steeped in sun worship to accept, because they [the pagans] referred to their sun-god as their ‘Lord.’ "—E. M. Chalmers, How Sunday Came into the Christian Church, p. 3.

The following statement was made 100 years after Constantine’s Sunday Law was passed: "Although almost all churches throughout the world celebrate the sacred mysteries on the Sabbath every week, yet the Christians of Alexandria and at Rome, on account of some ancient tradition, have ceased to do this."—Socrates Scholasticus, quoted in Ecclesiastical History, Book 5, chap. 22 [written shortly after A.D. 439].

"The people of Constantinople, and almost everywhere, assemble together on the Sabbath, as well as on the first day of the week, which custom is never observed at Rome or at Alexandria."—Hermias Sozomen, quoted in Ecclesiastical History, vii, 19, in A Select Library of Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, 2nd Series, Vol. 2, p. 390 [written soon after A.D. 415].

"Down even to the fifth century the observance of the Jewish Sabbath was continued in the Christian church, but with a rigor and solemnity gradually diminishing until it was wholly discontinued."—Lyman Coleman, Ancient Christianity Exemplified, chap. 26, sec. 2, p. 527.

"Contantine’s [five Sunday Law] decrees marked the beginning of a long though intermittent series of imperial decrees in support of Sunday rest."—A History of the Councils of the Church, Vol. 2, p. 316.

"What began, however, as a pagan ordinance, ended as a Christian regulation; and a long series of imperial decrees, during the fourth, fifth, and sixth, centuries, enjoined with increasing stringency abstinence from labor on Sunday."—Hutton Webster, Rest Days, pp. 122-123, 270.

Here is the first Sunday Law decree of a Christian council, given about 16 years after Constantine’s first Sunday Law of A.D. 321: "Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday [in the original: ‘sabbato’—shall not be idle on the Sabbath], but shall work on that day; but the Lord’s day they shall especially honour, and as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day. If, however, they are found Judaizing, they shall by shut out [‘anathema,’ excommunicated] from Christ."—Council of Laodicea, c. A.D. 337, Canon 29, quoted in C. J. Hefele, A History of the Councils of the Church, Vol. 2, p. 316.

"The keeping of the Sunday rest arose from the custom of the people and the constitution of the [Catholic] Church . . Tertullian was probably the first to refer to a cessation of affairs on the Sun day; the Council of Laodicea issued the first counciliar legislation for that day; Constantine I issued the first civil legislation."—Priest Vincent J. Kelly, Forbidden Sunday and Feast-Day Occupations, p. 203 [a thesis presented to the Catholic University of America].

"About 590, Pope Gregory, in a letter to the Roman people, denounced as the prophets of Antichrist those who maintained that work ought not to be done on the seventh day."—James T. Ringgold, The Law of Sunday, p. 267.

In the later centuries, persecution against believers in the Bible Sabbath intensified until very few were left alive. When the Reformation began, the true Sabbath was almost unknown.

"Now the [Catholic] Church . . instituted, by God’s authority, Sunday as the day of worship. The same Church, by the same divine authority, taught the doctrine of Purgatory . . We have, therefore, the same authority for Purgatory as we have for Sunday."—Martin J. Scott, Things Catholics Are Asked about, 1927, p. 236.

"Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change [of the Sabbath to Sunday] was her act . . AND THE ACT IS A MARK of her ecclesiastical power."—From the office of Cardinal Gibbons, through Chancellor H. F. Thomas, November 11, 1895
 
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EGW:
"It would be an error to attribute [‘the sanctification of Sunday’] to a definite decision of the Apostles. There is no such decision mentioned the Apostolic documents [that is, the New Testament]."

GW:
Scripture mentions two Sunday gatherings, both at 1 Cor 16:1-2, and in the breaking of bread on Sunday (Acts 20:7). This, combined with the universal practice of Sunday observance of the Lord's Resurrection Day among the earliest Christians, proves what was the apostolic tradition as taught by the apostles personally to their churches (2 Thess 1:15; 1 Cor 11:2).

"Stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us."

"I praise you because you remember me in everything and hold firmly to the traditions, just as I delivered them to you"

The traditions were known by the real, historical practice of the first christians everywhere---which was Sunday observance of the Lord's Resurrection Day. This day, which was always distinct from the Mosaic Sabbath, was the premier day of Christianity, for Christ's Resurrection was the premier day of all history.

Now, the radical departure from that apostolic tradition, which is most clearly seen in the prophetesses Ellen G White and also Joanna Southcott, has all the makings of the Mark of the Beast.


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Revelation speaks of everyone receiving a mark that signifies unity with the evil Beast.

Everyone knows that a new "mark" arose among Christianity in recent centuries that for the first time in history caused some people to break away from Sunday observance of the Lord's Resurrection. This unique mark could be the one foreseen in Revelation.

History demonstrates that while the Christian Church observed Sunday celebration of the Lord's Resurrection from the first century onward, a new practice began marking certain people starting in 1860, when a new sect began introducing a practice that did not originate among the early Church up to that time: a mass boycott of the Lord's Day.

I'm becoming convinced that the Saturday Worship that this group promotes instead of the Lord's Day is so unique in Christian history as to represent a possible Mark of the Beast. The sect that launched the new movement even has a special prophet: Ellen G. White. And we all know that a false prophet figures large in the book of Revelation.

I look forward to all your posts on this recent historical religious aberration as it relates to the unfolding of satan's plans for the last days.

I have been known to go to mid-week services. That can't be good...
 
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gwynedd1,

You appear to have accepted the Mark of the Beast. While I have much respect for your posts, you have accepted the Mark. We can still be friends, but I worry that you might not get raptured.

Are you under the influence of the False Prophetesses of the Book of Revelation? I dare not even mention their names (though I did earlier in this thread, if you want to review them).

Love,
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GW:
Scripture mentions two Sunday gatherings, both at 1 Cor 16:1-2, and in the breaking of bread on Sunday (Acts 20:7). .
One has nothing to do with a religious service but a work day of collecting various food items. The other was a farewell meeting for the Apostle Paul that was on a Saturday night. The only reason it is in scripture is probably because of the miracle of Eutychus. Paul walked about 17 miles on Sunday morning from Troas to Assos. He skipped your supposed church service.

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...This, combined with the universal practice of Sunday observance of the Lord's Resurrection Day among the earliest Christians... .
I've already quoted historians whom dispute that idea.
 
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Scripture mentions two Sunday gatherings....
Are these gatherings of "Sunday observance of the Lord's Resurrection Day"?

Acts 13:42-44
"As Paul and Barnabas were going out (on the sabbath day, v. 13) , the people kept begging that these things might be spoken to them the next Sabbath..."
(Did Paul tell the beggars they didn't have to wait a whole week but that they could come back the next day for the "universal practice of Sunday observance of the Lord's Resurrection Day"? See next verse)
"The next Sabbath nearly the whole city assembled to hear the word of the Lord."

Acts 16:13
"And on the ("universal practice of Sunday observance of the Lord's Resurrection Day"? NO!) Sabbath day we went outside the gate to a riverside, where we were supposing that there would be a place of prayer; and we sat down and began speaking to the women who had assembled."

Isaiah 66:22-23
For as the new heavens and the new earth...it shall come to pass, that ...from one ("universal practice of Sunday observance of the Lord's Resurrection Day"?) sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
 
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Hi EGW.

The Acts 20 passage explicitly says: "the first day of the week." Count it however you wish. We know that Luke counted it as "the first day of the week, when they came together to break bread" (his words, not mine).

Also, no one disputes that the apostles ministered the gospel of Christ to Jews on the Jewish Sabbath. The Sunday Lord's Resurrection Day is distinct from the Saturday Sabbath of the Jews, and always was, so far as traditional christianity is concerned. So what's the problem?

Finally, the historic evidence shows the Sunday Lord's Day celebration was normative everywhere, eventually to be stated as dogma in the ecumenical councils. The practice was never even controversial among the early Christians.
 
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The Book of Revelation states:

"you tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess"

and...

I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast, full of blasphemous names

and...

the false prophet [SDA prophets] who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast [denial of Sunday observance of Christ's Resurrection Day]​


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And as we read at Adventist.org's list of "Fundamental Beliefs":

The Gift of Prophecy:
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church AND WAS MANIFESTED IN THE MINISTRY OF ELLEN G. WHITE !!!!! As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction.
 
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It seems like the responses in this thread shows you how foolish the question really is. I didn't even bother to come here until now since i have free time on my hands. You forget a very important thing. The Beast is supposed to cause all to make the mark of the beast. My question is, who is going to force everyone to worship on Saturday?
The Pope? The U.S President? This really makes no sense.
 
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Prophecy Kid:
The Beast is supposed to cause all to make the mark of the beast. My question is, who is going to force everyone to worship on Saturday?

GW:
The Prophets of the SDAs. Just like Ellen G. White was a prophet that has commanded the allegiance of many thousands in a short period of time, the future end-times SDA Prophet will come on the scene with an Internet-and-mass-media fueled delusion of the world populations. People all over will quickly adopt the rejection of traditional Christian worship on Sunday, leading to the end of time.

It's already here. It's in the making. Many of the people at this board are already unwilling partakers in this massive end-times delusion, this radical changing of the Christian seasons and times.
 
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Prophecy Kid:
The Beast is supposed to cause all to make the mark of the beast. My question is, who is going to force everyone to worship on Saturday?

GW:
The Prophets of the SDAs. Just like Ellen G. White was a prophet that has commanded the allegiance of many thousands in a short period of time, the future end-times SDA Prophet will come on the scene with an Internet-and-mass-media fueled delusion of the world populations. People all over will quickly adopt the rejection of traditional Christian worship on Sunday, leading to the end of time.

It's already here. It's in the making. Many of the people at this board are already unwilling partakers in this massive end-times delusion, this radical changing of the Christian seasons and times.

^_^:D^_^

:scratch::scratch:

Your good. You should be a stand up comedian.
 
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