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Is Rove going down?

Discussion in 'General Political Discussion' started by ShawnaAnn, Jul 11, 2005.

  1. ClaireZ

    ClaireZ Senior Veteran

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    Actually when the story first broke, Rove was my first guess for the source.

    I am surprised by how often I am not surprised by this administration.
     
  2. PACKY

    PACKY Contributor

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    When a person cant come out and say I am Innocent..or when they lawyer up..it tends to appear that they are guilty of something....
     
  3. mutantleader

    mutantleader Member

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    If he is convicted, the president will likely pardon him as one his exit strategies.
     
  4. Smoke Screen

    Smoke Screen America Can Do Better!

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    Some quotes Rep. Henry Waxman included in his letter to House Colleagues.


    "I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious of traitors."Former President and CIA Director George H.W. Bush, Washington Times (Apr. 27, 1999).


    "We also want to send a clear message to the political 'operatives' responsible for ?outing? Mrs. Wilson. Such action was treacherous, if not treasonous. .. This has set a sickening precedent. The "senior Administration officials" who did this have warned all U.S. intelligence officers and the Intelligence Community that any one individual may be compromised if providing information or factual analysis the White House does not like."Testimony of Former CIA Officials Larry Johnson, Michael Grimaldi, and Brent Cavan (Oct. 24, 2003).



    "The disclosure of Ms. Plame?s name was an unprecedented and shameful event in American history and, in our professional judgment, has damaged U.S. national security, specifically the effectiveness of U.S. intelligence gathering using human sources. Any breach of the code of confidentiality and cover weakens the overall fabric of intelligence, and, directly or indirectly, jeopardizes the work and safety of intelligence workers and their sources."Letter to House Speaker Dennis J. Hastert from Former CIA Officials Larry C. Johnson, James Marcinkowski, Michael Grimaldi, Brent Cavan, Marc Sageman, MD, Ph.D., James A. Smith, John McCavitt, Ray McGovern, Ray Close, and William Wagner (Jan. 20. 2004).
     
  5. arnegrim

    arnegrim ...still not convinced it was the wrong one.

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    What law was broken by Rove? (assuming he's the one who outed her)
     
  6. Doctrine1st

    Doctrine1st Official nitwit

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  7. arnegrim

    arnegrim ...still not convinced it was the wrong one.

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    Well... uh... she wasn't covert.
     
  8. arnegrim

    arnegrim ...still not convinced it was the wrong one.

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  9. Doctrine1st

    Doctrine1st Official nitwit

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    Why wasn't she, and there are CIA agents who beg to differ and wish their own Government would quit mucking with their lives let lone their carreers for the sake of embarassment.
     
  10. starchild

    starchild Even the least of these my brethren.

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    When you use a Republican Talking Point©, aren't you required to notate the copyright?

    From dictionary.com:
    http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:pMi-X2KWqqMJ:www.billingsgazette.com/index.php%3Fts%3D1%26display%3Drednews/2003/10/01/build/nation/25-leak.inc+Plame+CIA+referral&hl=es
     
  11. starchild

    starchild Even the least of these my brethren.

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  12. Smoke Screen

    Smoke Screen America Can Do Better!

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    And how do you know this? Let's see your source.
     
  13. Sinai

    Sinai Well-Known Member

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    Thus far, the only thing Rove has been shown to be guilty of doing is helping Bush get elected. Although that may be the unpardonable sin as far as his detractors and opponents may be concerned, it is not against the law.....
     
  14. fragmentsofdreams

    fragmentsofdreams Critical loyalist

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    I hope he goes down because he has done much evil in his pursuit of power. However, I don't know whether this will bring him down.
     
  15. Cliche Guevara

    Cliche Guevara Senior Member

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    He was fired by Bush Snr for leaking information to Robert Novak back in 1992.

    http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/07/07/rove_plame/index_np.html

     
  16. arnegrim

    arnegrim ...still not convinced it was the wrong one.

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    http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=1&u=/ap/20050715/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/cia_leak_rove
     
  17. Doctrine1st

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    "But at the same time, Wilson acknowledged his wife was no longer in an undercover job at the time Novak's column first identified her. "My wife was not a clandestine officer the day that Bob Novak blew her identity," he said."

    For the sake of argument let's say this is an accurate quote. Seeing that she was a NOC, and was working undercover for a CIA devised company to investigate WMDs, any contacts she may have had are probably now fatally compromised, any company which provided her cover is now exposed, including other agents who are working in the same capacity for said company.

    They just ruined years of inroads and perhaps jeopardized the saftey of some in Governments that aren't as civil as us, just to cover their %$# because of the need to lie about the war.

    This admin is completely incompetent when it comes to the war on terror.
     
  18. arnegrim

    arnegrim ...still not convinced it was the wrong one.

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    For the sake of argument, if she was no longer working undercover, her identity (or lack thereof) would no longer be vital to the workings of anything... if it were, then she would have remained 'covert'.
     
  19. arnegrim

    arnegrim ...still not convinced it was the wrong one.

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    Here's an idea... why don't we wait until the investigation determines if there was any laws broken and go from there.
     
  20. kermit

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    The investigation will only determine whether or not he committed a crime. To maintain his position and/or security clearance merely not being a criminal isn't enough. He has to demonstrate trustworthyness and caution when dealing with topics that may be classified (when in doubt shut your mouth). He didn't do so.

    His excuse is that he didn't know her status at the CIA was classified. Since when is ignorance an excuse? If a sailor unwittingly reveals the location of a sub is he less guilty because he didn't know that information was classified? Nope.

    This isn't the first time Rove has gotten in trouble for his loose lips. What type of information is he going to let slip next time? Troop movements? The location of Camp David? Who's life does he have to endanger for him to be fired?
     
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