Is Resident Obama a Fraud?

[RND]

What would YOU have done to minimise or ameliorate the impact of a world-wide recession on the US's major industries?

Um, I'd get rid of the Federal Reserve Banks and put the duty of regulating the value of US currency back in the hands of congress. But, in light of the NWO agenda that ain't gonna happen.

 

[RND]

Just got this in the mail today......

YouTube - We Now Have A Total Gangster Government

Personally, I think this is a time when we should actually rejoice and embrace what is happening in the world today! Why? Contrary to what some may think and wish to label such a thought as "burying one's head in the sand" I look it at this way.....

The more these things take place, the more and more the society as we once knew it continues to implode and the world continues to run towards a New World Order with the Papacy as the head of the ecumenical spiritually they promote, the closer we get to see the King of Kings and Lord of Lords coming in the clouds with great power and great glory.

He is coming and He is coming soon! Let us praise His name when we see all these things coming to pass, because He told us in advance these things would happen.

 

[honorthesabbath]

AMEN RND!!!!!!!!!!!! This is VERY true my friend. And when He comes--those still clinging to the beast power will be in for a rude awakening. All is in His hands--and ALL is going according to prophecy.

 

[pgp_protector]

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3. Taking away the 2nd amendment (which he PROMISED not to do--which makes him a LIAR)

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I've still got my Guns legally, and can still buy them.
and the Second Amendment is still valid, so he didn't take it away (as you state).

 

[honorthesabbath]

When did he take away the 2nd amendment?

YouTube - Say goodbye to the Second Amendment your ammo will be illegal in June


What would YOU have done to minimise or ameliorate the impact of a world-wide recession on the US's major industries?

First of all--I would get our gold back from the Vatican and reestablish the GOLD standard and abolish the Federal Reserve. This one act alone would stabilize our economy.

Then I would abolish ALL the unConstitutional laws that have been passed for the past 100yrs, including the diabolical AFTA and NAFTA.

I would CLOSE our borders!! I would deport any and all illegals residing in this country--including Obama (his citizenship still has not been confirmed)

Do away with the federal income tax that punishes workers.

And one that we ALL can do NOW--BUY AMERICAN MADE PRODUCTS!! (If you can find them)!!

Now what would YOU do KIWI to help this country?

 

[pgp_protector]

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I would deport any and all illegals residing in this country--including Obama (his citizenship still has not been confirmed)

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His mother is an American citizen, he's by default an American citizen.

 

[RND]

His mother is an American citizen, he's by default an American citizen.

But that isn't a requirement to be President. The requirement is to be a "natural born citizen." A person could have two parents of foreign decent, been born on US soil and still become President.

I believe the issue revolves around whether "Odog" is a "natural born citizen."

I was born in 1962 and my "original" birth certificate that signifies I am property of the state doesn't look a thing like this "newer" more modern version.

 

[RND]

Maybe this is the real one:

 

[pgp_protector]

But that isn't a requirement to be President. The requirement is to be a "natural born citizen." A person could have two parents of foreign decent, been born on US soil and still become President.
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Take a closer look at the point I was responding to please

I would deport any and all illegals residing in this country--including Obama (his citizenship still has not been confirmed)

 

[RND]

Of course, the funny thing in all of this is that there is really nothing resembling a Constitution in this country and there hasn't been for several decades.

It's all a big huge "Dog n' Pony" show.

YouTube - The Embassy : Keyes and Obama (Part One)

BTW, one should be very well informed that Keyes is a devout Roman Catholic and a member of the Knights of Columbus. His allegiance is to Rome first and foremost. It is in his best interest to run cover for the Vatican.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Keyes

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008-presidential-candidates/alan-keyes/

 

[RND]

Take a closer look at the point I was responding to please

I took it as an insinuation that because his mother was an American he was entitled to be President. If that is not what you meant, even though that appears to me to be what your were saying, I apologize.

Both his mother and father could be "US Citizens" but if we wasn't born on US soil he could not be President.

In Article II, Section 1, the U.S. Constitution says:

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No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States
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[FreeinChrist]

Hawaii was a state in 1961 - had been since August 21, 1959. So being born in Hawaii in 1961 would make him a natural born citizen.

Might check this: FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.

 

[RND]

Hawaii was a state in 1961 - had been since August 21, 1959. So being born in Hawaii in 1961 would make him a natural born citizen.

Might check this: FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.

All true and not in dispute. What the questions is was ODog born in Hawaii as claimed.

 

[kiwimac]

The quoted article says nothing about the person running for office needing to be born on US soil. You need to be very careful, ISTM, before disenfranchising citizens because they were not born on your soil.

 

[kiwimac]

All true and not in dispute. What the questions is was ODog born in Hawaii as claimed.

Why the hatred of Obama? I mean 'ODog' and the other names. What has he done to you that you should denigrate his name?

 

[RND]

The quoted article says nothing about the person running for office needing to be born on US soil. You need to be very careful, ISTM, before disenfranchising citizens because they were not born on your soil.

"Natural born citizen" means just that. born on the home soil. Just like I could emigrate to NZ and eventually become a citizen of NZ doesn't mean I would be a "natural born New Zealander."

That title of "natural born citizen" only applies to those born on native soil.

I would be very careful in the understanding this nuance before commenting.

 

[RND]

Why the hatred of Obama?

I don't know the man so it's doubtful I hate him.

I mean 'ODog' and the other names. What has he done to you that you should denigrate his name?

I guess I'm an equal opportunity "denigrator" (using a Bushism) in that regard - I used to call (and still do) George W. Bush "GDub."

Look, kiwimac, why would you assume I hate the man simply because I choose to use a "slang" term for the President of the US? Besides, just because he is President doesn't give him an automatic pass on anything - respect is earned in many cases.

 

[honorthesabbath]

KIWI--In compiling the list of a few things that "I" would do to straighten this country out (and believe me--that was only a PARTIAL list to be sure), I cannot believe that I forgot one of the BIGGEST things I would do and that would be to get rid of MOST of the judges in this country and establish JAIL4JUDGES immediately for the rest of them!!

J.A.I.L.

Of Apples and Oranges​

(By Ron Branson – National J.A.I.L. CIC)​

Two days ago (6/27/09) I sent out a publication under the title of “California Going Broke.” * * * California Going Boke * * * Therein, I appealed to an illustration of apples and oranges I once used to bait the California Director of Finances on how he could immensely increase the volume of revenue to put into the California coffers. He listened with intentive interest. I will here restate what I said.

“I asked him if I had an apple tree in my back yard, and my next door neighbor had an orange tree, and we decided to mutually trade a bushel basket of my apples for a bushel basket of his oranges, has a taxable event transpired for both of us? He said, “Yes.”

I then told him that the State of California was missing out on some very serious revenue. When a worker trades his labor to a corporation for a salary, he pays a tax on his labor. But on the other hand, the corporation which receives the labor in exchange, not only does not pay a tax on the value of the labor received, but in fact, takes it as a tax deduction. I asked him why California fails to tax the value of the labor received from the exchange, as this is a large amount of revenue to the State of California. His answer was, “We couldn’t do that!” I asked, “Why not, it’s a taxable event according to you.” He said, “The corporations would not allow us to get away with that!” [End of illustration.]

This publication sparked a sensible response from a person by the name of Ivan Fail, ilf@centurytel.net, of Sparta, Missouri regarding his true-life experience in dealing with a certain corporation. But first, let us establish this man’s credibility. We are not speaking of a young inexperienced whipper-snapper. He states that he was a very system man who served his country as an honorable Marine which thereafter led him into a 1960 highly respected career for the legal system as a Federal Prison Correctional Officer. Now, some 48 years later, he finds it hard to believe what he was a part of. He describes his part in a system that was a “…larcenous, greed driven, head games, hucksterism and hypocrisy of the legal system.” He states, “I started to ‘wake up and smell the coffee’.” Then after retiring from the system, a very frustrating,
prolonged and expensive frivolous lawsuit at the hands of a serial litigant
professional plaintiff that cost him $60,000. This, he said, was the ‘death knell’ of any residual respect that he had for the legal system. “Ironically my collective experiences taught me one infallible but shocking truth that millions of ‘un-sued’ law abiding Americans will never learn about because “their heads are forcibly buried in the sands of naïveté and ignorance” by political and legal hype and hucksterism.

That truth is the fact that one of America's major ‘Societal Time Bomb
Factories’ is ‘camouflaged behind white-collar greed, arrogance, a law degree, a black robe, hot air and ceremonial hype. … It is in fact an unscrupulous, politics-propelled and protected, cut-throat, ”for-profit industry” promenading as an “elite- and ethics-governed profession.’

What has stuck in his craw is the fact that after being forced to fork out $60,000 in frivolous attorney’s fees, he was not allowed to take a single penny of that loss as a tax deduction, yet corporations take these same fees as a standard deduction. He states, they “own and operate the Congress which belongs to the same Country Clubs that they do.”

Now, getting back to my illustration of the apples and oranges which I referred to above: In this illustration, the value of the bushel basket of apples is exactly the same as that of a bushel basket of oranges. Both sides agree on this point. According to the Director of Finance, neither owes a tax on the fruit of their own tree. However, once the two trade over the fence, both sides suddenly owe a tax on their “gain.” This is arrived at by government by the theory that the bushel basket of apples has no value to the apple grower, and likewise the same is true of the orange grower. So the apple grower gave up nothing in exchange for the oranges. And the orange grower gave nothing up in order to get the bushel basket of apples, i.e., both made a profit upon which they now owe a tax to the government.

In reality, each surrendered value for value, so neither gained, and would owe no tax. However, the Califofnia Director of Finance determined both made a gain out of thin air, and therefore owed a tax. Since this is his own established standard, I then applied that standard based on his rules. If a worker owes a tax on “gain”, therefore, corporations necessarily would owe a tax on their gain of the value of the labor received. He then responded, “We couldn’t do that!” and the reason he said was, “The coropration would not allow us to get away with that!”

I don’t know about you, but if I understand the operations of our tax system, refusal by a person or business to pay a tax owed is called a “tax protestor,” and they have a place reserved behind bars for these tax protestors.
Now let me point out that our current tax code is nothing more than a warmed over 1909 Corporation Tax Act as described in Corporate Income Tax Act of 1909: Major Acts of Congress. It is a tax upon the profit or gain made as the result of the exercise of a corporate privilege. Hence, only those benefiting from the exercise of a corporate charter are the subject of the income tax.
This principle is explained in Hale v. Henkel, 201 U.S. 43 (1906), to wit, “The individual may stand upon his constitutional rights as a citizen. He is entitled to carry on his private business in his own way. His power to contract is unlimited. He owes no duty to the state or to his neighbors to divulge his business, or to open his doors to an investigation, so far as it may tend to criminate him. He owes no such duty to the state, since he receives nothing therefrom, beyond the protection of his life and property.
“His rights are such as existed by the law of the land long antecedent to the organization of the state, and can only be taken from him by due process of law, and in accordance with the Constitution. Among his rights are a refusal to incriminate himself, and the immunity of himself and his property from arrest or seizure except under a warrant of the law. He owes nothing to the public so long as he does not trespass upon their rights.
“Upon the other hand, the corporation is a creature of the state. It is presumed to be incorporated for the benefit of the public. It receives certain special privileges and franchises, and holds them subject to the laws of the state and the limitations of its charter. Its powers are limited by law. It can make no contract not authorized by its charter. Its rights to [201 U.S. 43, 75] act as a corporation are only preserved to it so long as it obeys the laws of its creation.”
So let us revisit the apple and orange analogy applying the instant above criteria. If Party “A,” the apple-grower, is a private individual, no tax may be imposed upon his right to exchange his goods or his services, i.e. “apples” or whatever he wishes. As the Supreme Court has said, “He owes nothing to the public so long as he does not trespass upon their rights.”
On the other hand, if Party “B,” the orange grower, is functioning under a corporate charter, and thereby in the exercise of its corporate charter, makes a gain of a bushel basket of apples, then they would owe a tax on such gain.
So, let us recap what is going on in this country. Party “A,” the apple grower, a private citizen who owes no taxes on his own private affairs, may be thrown in prison because he is convicted of failing to pay a tax which he does not owe, nor is the subject of the tax, while Party “B,” the orange grower, a government- created corporation which owes the tax, not only refuses to pay the tax, i.e., “The corporations would not allow us to get away with that,” but gets to deduct the figure of its gain from all other taxes it may owe.
Hmmmm, that’s like going shopping for a new car that is listed as a value of $30,000, and finding the one you want, you tell the dealer that you will take that one. He says ”okay”. Then you ask him, “Now how are you going to pay me the $30,000 you owe me for accepting the car?”
Corporations who owe the tax, are rewarded for being tax protestors, while citizens who do not owe the tax are thrown in jail if they do not pay over! This is taxation American-style. Isn’t America great?
Now how is it that such a crazy system has come about? The answer is very clear: It is the courts and their self-created doctrine of judicial immunity that was the necessary ingredient to bring this about. If it were possible to straighten out every wrong in this country excepting the doctrine of judicial immunity, it would not take long before we would be back exactly where we are now. This is precisely why Americans shall have no remedy nor a future without judicial accountability over judicial immunity by an independent, autonomous citizen’s Grand Jury. (www.jail4judges.org)
-Ron Branson – the crazy guy with radical principles of right and wrong. VictoryUSA@jail4judges.org

 

[honorthesabbath]

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[RND]

So, let us recap what is going on in this country. Party “A,” the apple grower, a private citizen who owes no taxes on his own private affairs, may be thrown in prison because he is convicted of failing to pay a tax which he does not owe, nor is the subject of the tax, while Party “B,” the orange grower, a government- created corporation which owes the tax, not only refuses to pay the tax, i.e., “The corporations would not allow us to get away with that,” but gets to deduct the figure of its gain from all other taxes it may owe.

Honor. I really appreciate your zeal to want to correct the wrongs of the past, before I became and Adventists I was steeped in the "tax protester" movement, i.e. the Patriot Movement and here is what I found.

No matter what we do, as long as we play any portion of the game with their "monopoly money" we , whether we know it or admit it, acknowledge being a "corporation" with in their game. It is a vicious cycle.

I gotta go and I'm in a rush but I'll tell you about a guy I know that was a "tax protester" 25 years ago and where is is at now. God bless.