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Is Observing the 7th day Sabbath a Requirement for Salvation?

Discussion in 'Traditional Adventists-Discussion Zone' started by Bob S, Dec 5, 2015.

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  1. Sabbathkeeper&Wife

    Sabbathkeeper&Wife 1Corinthians 13:2 - agape

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    Hi Jerry, again, trumped with an .abbreviation,.....what's sdo? Thanks, and good to hear from ya
     
  2. jerry kelso

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    bobryan,

    1. I have told you more than one time that there is only one gospel of redemption for man's soul that started with Genesis 3:15.
    The revelation's and understandings were different and gradual through the different ages.

    2. You believe there is one context concerning the word gospel which to you is only for the spiritual aspect concerning salvation and that is why you have tunnel vision and keep running into a brick wall.
    The Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven is the physical reign on earth.
    This doesn't violate, contradict or do away with the fact of the gospel of the Kingdom spiritual aspect being the only gospel concerning the redemption of Christ.

    3. The requirement for the Jew to gain entrance into the physical kingdom was the spiritual kingdom which concerns salvation.

    4. The Old Testament from David's day was promised the earthly kingdom reign on earth conditioned by obedience of the nation.
    It is an eternal covenant and was postponed in Jesus day because of their rejection Matthew 23:37-39.
    This is why Paul said their gifts and callings are without repentance.
    Matthew 24:14 is about the gospel of the kingdom being preached in all the world for a witness to the nations is about proclaiming the physical kingdom is coming for the Jews to restore all things and destroy the antichrist and his armies. This will make the antichrist rise up in anger.
    The last part of verse is "and then shall the end come which is the defeat of the antichrist and the armies of the world at the battle of Armageddon. This is when the physical kingdom will be set up.
    The Jews have to Repent in order for this to happen and they will for the time of Jacob's trouble will be the tribulation when they will be purged of their sin Daniel 9:24-27.

    5. So please take off your rose colored glasses and believe the scriptural facts and quit acting like I am contradicting myself about the one gospel or denying there is only one gospel of redemption of man's soul.
    Your perception of one context of the word gospel gives you tunnel vision and is not scriptural. Jerry kelso
     
  3. BobRyan

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    True - the Bible Sabbath of Genesis 2:1-3 is not a "Shadow of things to come" it is a memorial of the Gen 2:1-3 act of God according to God Himself in Exodus 20:11
     
  4. jerry kelso

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    bobryan,

    1. Genesis sabbath was not a shadow.
    2. Exodus was not a shadow either under the age of law either was it a mere memorial but a commandment in a full theocracy of God.
    In the church it is a shadow that will be fulfilled in the earthly calling of the Jewish nation as the head of the nations and it is connected to the feasts which was synonymous with Israel and not the church age.
    We have New Testament commandments not Old Testament regulation as in your context.
    We are to keep the sabbath holy but not in the context of the Mosaic law. You want to keep the same day but not the rest of the requirements that go along with keeping the sabbath day holy under Moses law.
    Have you ever traveled more than 26 miles on the sabbath? If you have you transgressed the sabbath. There are more things but I have to go before my phone runs down completely. Jerry kelso
     
  5. Sabbathkeeper&Wife

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    I thought a Sabbath day's journey was from the tents to the tabernacle of around 2000 cubits. Half a mile or less by our measurements? It was also on foot IIRC. When you get time, can ya explain 26 miles? Thanks
     
  6. jerry kelso

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    sabbathkeeper&wife,

    1. 26 miles was something I read years ago but I really didn't follow up on it so shame on me.

    2. Exodus 16:29; see, for that the Lord hath given you the sabbath, therefore he give the you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.
    Go out of his place couldn't mean house because even Jesus did not do this for he was in the synagogues.

    2. A half mile is found in Acts 1:12 where Orthodox Jews will not travel over a mile.

    3. Exodus 16:23 was about the sabbath and given before the Ten Commandments in Exodus 20 and it was given to commemorate the Red Sea deliverance and not the sabbath of Genesis 2:3 which they could not remember because of not being there.
    The Red Sea deliverance was the rest from Egyptian slavery.
    Only gentiles coming out of Egypt with the Jews were commanded to observe the sabbath Exodus 12:49; Numbers 15:15,16.
    The Old covenant was between God and the Jews only and not God and the gentiles.

    4. The sabbath day was not a memorial of the Old creation which was cursed by sin. If it was it would only be right that it would be done away with and a new sabbath would have to be instituted as a memorial of the new creation of Christ.

    5. Since keeping the sabbath was a Memorial Day of the deliverance from Egypt and a typical day of rest in Christ to come, it could be broken many times without the committing of moral sin.
    Leaving Egypt was established on the sabbath Numbers 33:3; Leviticus 23:5-11. Other examples are Israel marching around Jericho Joshua 6; tabernacle set up Exodus 40:1,17 with Leviticus 23:5-11 and more ( Dake's God's plan for man pg. 584-585).
    We didn't have the Red Sea deliverance contained in a specific law of requirements of do and don'ts such as the Mosaic law with a specific blessing and cursing system etc. This is why the Saturday sabbath day only is incorrect.

    6. Our Red Sea deliverance spiritually was the cross and we are not under the Old covenant physical requirements of strict rules and regulations of specific blessing and cursing system.
    James said if you keep one part of the law to be justified then all the law must be kept. Jerry kelso
     
  7. Sabbathkeeper&Wife

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    Hi, Jerry
    Genius 2:3-
    And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work
    which God created and made.

    I assume that this is the reason for the Sabbath.

    Leviticus 26:2-4-
    Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.
    3 If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them;
    4 Then I will give you rain in due season, and the land shall yield her increase, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit.

    Ezekial 20:29-
    And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.

    But THEN, even as now-

    Jeremiah 17:27-
    But if ye will not hearken unto me to hallow the sabbath day, and not to bear a burden, even entering in at the gates of Jerusalem on the sabbath day; then will I kindle a fire in the gates thereof, and it shall devour the palaces of Jerusalem, and it shall not be quenched.

    Hebrews 4:8-9-
    For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
    9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

    You need to seriously look at the origin of your new Sabbath. Even the ONES that changed it claim that there is no scriptural basis, but by THEIR own power. ALL paganism originated in Babylon and has been carried into ALL churches, even the SDA. The false prophet of Revelations is nothing more than an extension of Rome and are OUR protestant churches -who refuse to be held responsible for their actions. They belittle the authority of the Most High God and what His Son, Jesus Christ, brought to the world through His teaching. The kingdom of God is far from mainstream Protestantism belief and practice while most simply claim the "blood of Jesus" and continue in unrighteous behavior- thinking that God overlooks the abominations and total disregard for His commandments. It comes from the same pile of lies that originated in Babylon, adopted into what became the church of Rome, then never was filtered out of Protestantism as new light and truths were revealed.
    As this new light is uncovered, we are commanded by God to " Come out of her, my people, lest you receive of her plagues". According to the words of Jesus, there will be but few who make it. It is my hopes that folks wake up to the apostacy that is so rampant in what we've come to believe as truth. Here's another quote to ponder on from the "instead of" herself. Peace be with you.

    Quote from Cardinal Gibbons in the Catholic Mirror- Dec 23, 1893 (Just prior to the counter reformation being put into full swing, thus disguising what EVERY protestant in the entire world knew as fact before 1900!)
    "Reason and sense demand the acceptance of one or the other of these alternatives: either Protestantism and keeping holy of Saturday, or Catholicity and keeping holy of Sunday. Compromise is IMPOSSIBLE. "

    Their words, not mine. The origin of Sunday worship is pagan as is any who pay homage to Rome through the keeping of such whether they admit it or even realize it. It is apostate practice. People have been indoctrinated into believing a lie, one obviously of GREAT importance because it's warned against throughout the WORD of God, which people seldom search with humility daily as they are too busy defending their actions against keeping the commandments of God as stated in Rev 14:12- and MANY other scriptures. The TRUTH is irrefutable and stands forever!
     
  8. jerry kelso

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    sabbathkeeper&wife,

    1. There is no argument with resting on the 7th day after his work in Genesis 2:3. The word sabbath is not used in this passage.
    Exodus 16:22-30; Israel gathered twice as much food on the sixth day so they would have enough on the seventh day.
    Verse 23 says: And he said unto them, This is that which the Lord hath said, Tomorrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the Lord.
    Tomorrow is the Seventh day and the rest of the holy sabbath implies that part of the sixth day was the beginning of the holy sabbath. Sixth and seventh day are indicated as a part of the sabbath This was before Exodus 20.
    As I said before
    Verse 30 says they rested on the seventh day.
    Exodus 20:8 is connected to Exodus 16:23 and not Genesis 2:3.
    The law of Moses was not the same as their fathers such as Adam, Noah, and Abraham. The Mosaic law was only for the Jewish nation. The new covenant was made for the whole world. Read Deuteronomy 5:2-3; 29:13-15; 1 Chronicles 16:17; 2 Chronicles 5:10. Exodus 31:13-18; Ezekiel 20:12-20.
    Deuteronomy 5 is the covenant with Moses and is based on the reason of the why's they were delivered out of Egypt Deuteronomy 5:15 and not Genesis 2:3. Also it was not on Genesis 2:3 because it was not the same covenant as their forefathers.
    New covenant believers were not delivered from Egypt so it makes no sense to us as well as because it was in the Old covenant which was never for us and was fulfilled by Jesus and abolished at the cross.

    2. Actually Sunday commemorating the sabbath is because of the resurrection and the new creation. Sunday meets all the requirements of the new covenant of both man and God.
    Jesus is the Lord of the sabbath and that is why everyday is a sabbath day and can be worshipped on any day.
    Saturday SDO is legalistic in context of scripture for new covenant believers whether the claim of a pure motive is given and is meant. It is not scriptural and you cannot prove it.
    Most every one that believes this wrong doctrine believes that the other side is sinning and try to bring them under condemnation by bringing the spirit of the law on them whether by accusation or strong arm.
    I don't say SDO's are sinning because they will only worship on saturdays only anymore than the Orthodox Jews.
    Do you believe I am sinning because I don't worship Saturday sabbath and if you do, do you believe it will effect my salvation? Jerry kelso
     
  9. Sabbathkeeper&Wife

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    Hi Jerry, The Sabbath, blessed and sanctified in the very beginning is the same Sabbath still kept today. It starts at sundown and ends at sundown. Rome made midnight the dawn of a new day just like they made the man made Sabbath . You follow man's doctrine or you follow God's. Theres no middle ground to God. It is also impossible to keep everyday as a Sabbath unless you are on life support. I hear that one all the time. Of course, any God fearing person worships each and every day, giving reverence to the Most High, yet Sabbath day, which is called that in most languages still, is the day set aside for doing no work, nor requiring it from your servants or your beasts of burden. It is our rest, and our rest in Jesus. Rome uses the excuse of the ressurection to change the Sabbath of the Lord, yet still insists it is due to her ecclesiastical authority, which is above God's in her eyes and writings, while even stating that there is no scriptural backing and also claims that ALL who keep Sunday pay homage to her. It was the pagan venerable day of the sun which pagan Rome kept, as it is still the venerable day of the sun still kept today. You can call it the Lord's day if you want to. It's not my Lord's day nor the day of the Lord that John on the isle of Patmos was referring to. The prophecies are crystal clear as to her Babylonial pagan origin as the practices were brought all the way through ALL the world kingdoms and the Bible clearly states that she also has daughters, offspring of the mother church, as she so calls herself. I am not God and can make no claim as to whether you will face punishment for what you do as it's between you and God, but what I do know is that people , God's people are commanded by God to come out of her or pay the price. This HER is the pagan affluenced church that exists today and has since not long after the Apostles fell asleep. By 331 ad, it was "official" as Constantine, the Emporer of Rome swapped over from paganism, which ruled Rome for 600 years, to a muddy type of Christianity which still carried all the practice and statues of pagan Rome- and still does today. It's paganism with a Jesus hat. Well actually that's not even right because they wear a fish mitre on their head from the pagan fish god , Dagon. I know from historical writings that every protestant, pre-1900 or so, as well as in the writings of OUR forefathers, was very aware of her atrocities and persecution, her abominations and that she fit the bill on every aspect. There is a very powerful group from within this church that is totally committed to the destruction of Protestantism and they use every method they can think of, including breeching the govts, the schools , rewriting history and especially the churches and slowly change how people think. You can read all this from THEIR doctrines, as you can see it in the ecumenical movement today. The world wants UNITY with the one that hates Christians. I still see the left overs that were never changed by the churches that pulled out of her, and today, we see her rising again and the Protestant churches beginning to succumb to her authority as are the politicians and kings of the earth as she slowly indoctrinates everyone in her path. Do you not see the Islamic ties to the papacy? They hate Christians too and are more than happy to oblige in some of the dirty work. Most don't have any idea of the meaning of protestant. I'm simply stating that we are commanded to warn people by God Almighty of these abominations and that the picture will get even clearer as time goes by but the ability to get out will be hindered also. I don't know if it's totally by physical force, but most likely by spiritual deception like what runs rampant today. Scripture says that the followers of Christ will once again face persecution for being obedient, eventually even unto death. A classic example was Rwanda in only 1994! 20 years later, you get a 3 line write up in the censored newspaper with pathetic apologies from the church. 800,000 people, mostly Sabbath keepers were butchered with machetes by tribes aided by clergy! We're talking about priests AND nuns! They are opportunistic, to say the least. There's zero accountability for what happened either. Paganism has crept into all denominations, never left most and has taken root since early on. Scripture is clear that the dragon heads the whole thing. God does not like it and we will be held accountable for our actions. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, correct. He blatantly explained this in the synagogue on the Sabbath , not in a Roman church on Sunday. Every man's own conscience must be his own guide because he stands alone before the Almighty on the last day at the last trump- bar none. Peace be with you.
     
  10. EastCoastRemnant

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    Hey Jerry, quick question for you... do you refrain from physically stealing, how about murdering someone, do you honour or dishonour your parents, is bearing false witness against your neighbour something you strive not to do? How is this "legalistic" keeping of the Law different than keeping the 7th day Sabbath?

    Just as with these other Commandments, where there is so much more to understand about them in the spirit, so it is the same with the 7th day Sabbath. The day does not change because it was immortalized at Creation but our approach and attitude towards it is different then when the OT Jews kept it. Separating from the world, not just physically, but also from our own pleasure and spending the day communing with our God in prayer, fellowship, study, contemplation, nature etc, are what God desires from us. He is not concerned with the multitude of burdens the Jews placed upon it.

    Just as not committing murder is still in effect for the 6th Commandment, it is so much more to us now, it envelopes anger and hatred in our hearts, something the OT Jews didn't understand... that is the new covenant. God was not in error, we were in our understanding. That is why Jesus came to teach us this proper understanding of the Law... how it reflects God's Character.
     
  11. jerry kelso

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    sabbathkeeper&wife,

    1. You have no scripture that says or implied it is a sin to celebrate the Lords day on Sunday because it was the same day that was on a pagan day celebration for the sun God. You are expressing your opinion.

    2. You believe in mixing the law of Moses and the new covenant in Jesus and that is why you are being legalistic about the subject.
    Also you are using Rome as a reason to make the ridiculous statement about a Christian day on the same day as a pagan day. With that logic we shouldn't serve God any day because pagans live for the devil every day. You are wrong again.

    3. There is the true church and the professing church. The professors are the ecumenical church and yearn for unity that is more manmade. That has nothing to do with keeping the sabbath on one day only.

    3. I know the world wants unity and this is seen in the Global order that wants the one world government.

    4. There is nothing new about muslims and the papacy hating christians; look at the dark ages.

    5. Prophecies show there will be an apostasy and you will see the professors in the church part from true believers.
    As far as Rwanda and sabbath keepers being killed a backwards way to support your Saturday sabbath day only is absurd. Many believers are martyred that don't hold to that doctrine.

    6. Jesus is Lord of the sabbath and didn't worship on Sunday in a roman church. Why? Because he was a Jew under the Old covenant of Moses which the gentiles were never under. There are plenty of Messianic that will preach in a church that is not a synogogue. Jesus don't teach the new covenant to the Jews but he did live and teach the Mosaic law.

    7. I go by the word of God and it's proper context and what it says about the sabbath for the new covenant believer which is don't judge another about the sabbath day and this means one day only.

    8. There is a difference in preaching a holiness message and a fundamental legalistic message but to preach opinion and convictions is not a way to witness or contend for the faith.
    I have addressed your main points and given scripture and you cannot and have not rebutted successfully and are more interested in conjecture and opinion.
    We can agree to disagree and one thing we do agree on is to honor the sabbath day though we do not agree on the one day only designation.
    I believe in Saturday only for the sabbath for the Mosaic law and was not carried over into the new covenant and that is scriptural.
    So I believe in doing the commandments according to the new covenant and not the old and to enforce the Old sabbath is legalistic. If you want to believe in that Old Testament doctrine is between you and God and either way I don't condemn you. Jerry kelso
     
  12. Sabbathkeeper&Wife

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    Hi Jerry, the new covenant- still says that God will write His laws in our hearts and minds. Nothing factual about it saying NOT to obey them. I see nowhere it says the commandments about the Sabbath or any other being done away with anywhere in scripture. Yes, to each his own, like I said. Scripture describes Rome to a tee, as well as the pagan influence of her "daughters"(pl) and I don't see her having any new ones. I believe in the old and new testaments as binding as neither contradict each other in any shape,form or fashion. People assume that the new testament does away with the old. As far as I see, only the covenant was updated BUT still included laws. It still requires obedience and repentance, we just don't kill animals for remission of sin as the Son of God was our final blood sacrifice. With the addition of LOVE, which was there all the time- unbeknownst to the Pharisees of that day , nothing has changed. I have given TONS of scripture in dialog with you many times and can still do it, but according to Paul, after 2 or 3 times, it's pointless. I honestly don't see what you attempt to gain by coming to the Adventist section refuting the Sabbath. I don't believe the Sabbath keepers come to your neck of the woods. I surely hope not. It was made for man. M A N on the very first week of creation. It has nothing to do with Jews or Mosaic law. They just happened to be the ones that God chose to pull out of the MIRE first, like that did any good for most, same as it does little good for most now. He chose Isreal, so of course, His Sabbath came with it. If He would've chosen Greeks first, His Sabbath would've been given to them first because the Sabbath always was, is, and will be kept in the NEW Jerusalem. I can dig it up if you need it but don't see the point. I am thankful though, because if not, there's no telling how things would've worked out as we try to make ourselves more like Jesus. That means for us, spiritually becoming a member of Zion. The Sabbath was blessed and sanctified by God Himself. Man made the Sunday Sabbath. Rome made the Sunday Sabbath. I don't know what else to tell you. And- unfortunately, even the big wheels in the SDA church have lay with the harlott in the ecumenical movement. Apostacy doesn't seem to discriminate. I pray for them and ALL- in opposition to such daily! Peace be with you and holiday blessings to you and yours.
     
  13. jerry kelso

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    1. One has to understand that the Mosaic law was for a specific nation for a specific time and they were in a full theocracy with God and no other government.
    It has to be understood it was never a covenant with the gentiles and is not the new covenant The new covenant was built on better promises because the law could not save a soul or help a soul perform the commandment. It was Holy and Good because it showed the knowledge of sin and God's character of Holiness and righteousness.
    Faith, love, grace, forgiveness, sin, commandments etc were in every age.

    2. The law keepers didn't have the Holy Spirit 24-7 residing in them and Romans 7 shows the Mosaic law was holy and good but the law of sin and death took advantage of the Mosaic law and made them live in sin because of self effort.
    The advantage of the new covenant is found in Romans 8:2; The Law of the Spirit did away with the law of sin and death.
    The advantage for the new covenant believer is the ability to be able to overcome sin and not live in sin and defeat as much or have such a conscious of sin like those that believe they can't help but sin everyday.

    3. The law was mandatory dos of 613 laws and Peter called it a yoke of bondage.
    It doesn't mean that life for God by a Jew wasn't supposed to be who they were for it was.
    However, Romans 7 shows why this was hard to accomplish.
    Our salvation is not in trying to work up to a code of commandments because one will fall into self effort more and fall short.
    Today, salvation and its benefits and advantages are in the God-man Jesus Christ. This is why we do the commandments of the new covenant.

    4. The Ten Commandments was an overall basis of the law.
    The ceremonial law was done away because of the sacrifice of Christ which was greater than the blood of bulls and goats and the eternal priesthood etc.
    The laws civil law Timothy said was for lawbreakers now. We are not to be subdued by the law because of the new creation of who we are in Christ and his finished work.
    I could legastically subdue my kids under the law but if that is all I did they would more than likely rebel because it would not be who they are.
    The moral law of the Mosaic law was done away with.
    This doesn't mean we don't have moral law now or it doesn't mean that sin isn't sin or that we don't do commandments etc.
    It doesn't mean moral law was destroyed withi itself for that is impossible. The moral law was before Moses day and even originally with God for he has always been the moral governor of the universe.
    The moral law being done away with has to do with the connection of the specific blessing and cursing system they had.
    We do not get stoned for committing adultery or children getting stoned for disrespect their children etc.
    The new covenant says to remember to keep the sabbath day holy. There is no specification for just one day only. You have no scripture to prove it and just for the fact that you try to get people to do it or else they are sinning shows legalism and trying to bring condemnation on a person.
    There were people under the law that lived perfect like Zachariah though not his whole life and Paul though he killed people ignorantly and Jesus who did all his life. Israel had to live the law to be blessed and not cursed.
    Yes there were law keepers of Moses that did the law without being legalistic but Romans 7 shows why this didn't happen for the most part in that day.
    The new covenant is different from the old covenant and is built on better promises.
    I believe in doing the commandments and keeping the sabbath day holy. But the Saturday Sabbath only is not a new covenant commandment.
    Paul said in Colossians not judge another about a sabbath day and holy days etc. It also says that the sabbath etc. are shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ. This separation of the future shadows and the body of Christ is because the church age and it's heavenly calling is different from the earthly calling of Israel that the Saturday sabbath only was a part of their covenant. They will be at the head of the nations and the law will go out of Zion.
    You need to learn the real nuts and bolts of living under the law of Moses and the better promises of the new covenant and the power of living in resting in Christ instead of being at risk of committing self effort and be in a performance mode and living in sin or having a conscience of sin.
    So the Saturday sabbath only doctrine is not scriptural for a new covenant believer. To try to teach that it is a sin if you don't do it is legalistic.
    What is the greater benefit for keeping it on Saturday versus Sunday or any other day?
    Most answer about doing the commandment and I believe in doing commandments but it is not a commandment for just one day under the new covenant.
    You can believe that and that is fine and I won't condemn you. Jerry kelso
     
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    Yet your actions speak otherwise.... as Sabbath Keeper said, why come into an Adventist room to tell us these things if you are not judging/condemning us? At least stand up and admit what you are doing.
     
  15. Sabbathkeeper&Wife

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    .... Because that's what God set aside as the day of rest and regeneration WITH Him. What's the advantage of keeping a day, a PAGAN day that clearly was subjugated by the " AM NOT" rather than the" I AM" ?
     
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    Clearly, these people are not concerned with what God wants. He could not be more clear... they want a tailormade, just for me and my circumstances religion that tickles their ears and keeps them comfortable.
     
  17. jerry kelso

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    I didn't know this was a seventh day Adventist only room.
    Adventists are dogmatic about the sabbath on Saturday only that they have made it a doctrine and anyone that doesn't believe that is sinning.
    That is judging wrong when it is not scriptural in reference to the church but it is a shadow in the future to the Jews in the millennial kingdom because it is synomonous with Israel who will enforce the laws. I have seen no proper rebuttal from you. Read Colossians 2:16-17.
    So I am not condemning but defending the truth of the word and I have said that I don't condemn Adventist for doing it anymore that I would accuse every believer that believes in unconditional eternal security.
    I have shown scripture that the law of the sabbath was a memorial of the Red Sea deliverance and not the creation sabbath. You have nothing to say about that. Deuteronomy 5:15.
    The law of Moses was abolished as stated in 2 Corinthians 3:13-16. You are wrong there too.
    You have no answer to Romans 7 context and Romans 8:2. This means you don't understand what Peter meant by the law of Moses being a yoke of bondage and you understand the difference of the better promises of the new covenant as in Hebrews.
    Peter said the gentiles were not under the law and they said to abstain from meats sacrificed to idols and abstain from fonication and they would do well if they do this.
    The ssdo is a misunderstanding of the context on the gradual revelation just like baptismal regeneration. Do you believe in that? If you do then I can understand why you would believe the ssdo doctrine.
    If that is what you want to believe that is your prerogative but I can assure you it won't hurt anybody's salvation. Jerry kelso
     
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    jerry kelso Food For Thought

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    1. Colossians 2:16-17 shows the Saturday only sabbath day is not for the church and is a future shadow for the Jewish nation in the millennial kingdom because it is synonous with the Jews earthly calling. I haven't seen no proper rebuttal from you just disagreement.

    2. If God had sanctioned it in the new covenant I would be doing it.
    Your answer is the only answer of benefit you can come up with which I knew you would say because you have no answer for anything else in your daily life.
    You use the straw man of not obeying the commandments like no other Christian believes in obeying commandments and to further your doctrine.

    3. ssdo doctrine is just like baptismal regeneration in that it is different from the Old Testament to the new covenant.
    You can believe your doctrine and I won't condemn you. If that is your conviction fine but you shouldn't make it a New Testament doctrine.

    4. So give me a few reasons how the ssdo benefits over another day of worship as the sabbath?
    Does it make you more Holy or give you more blessings, more faith or more grace etc.?
    Do you celebrate Christmas with gifts because if you do you are sinning according to your train of thought because it was pagan originally.
    Do you celebrate Christ's birth at Christmas because he was born on Christmas. Is that wrong also?
    History records Easter and Easter eggs was pagan so do you celebrate resurrection on Easter? This is the same logic Jehovah witness use to not celebrate Christmas at all. Let me know. Jerry kelso
     
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    east coast remnant,

    1. You have no proof for your doctrine
    eastcoastremnant,
    A post that wreaks with judgmental legalism because of wrongly dividing the word of God.
    You shouldn't preach your convictions.
    Not keeping the ssdo will not send anyone to hell and I don't think you can give any good reason that it benefits more on that day any more than a different day. If you think it can I am all ears. Jerry kelso
     
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    Sabbathkeeper&Wife 1Corinthians 13:2 - agape

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    When God took them by the hand and led them ,they became His, so of course He said to keep His Sabbath. He didn't tell them to keep it BECAUSE they came out of Egypt. THAT is taking something out of context and plain silly. Read vs 12&14- It's God's Sabbath. The same one Jesus is Lord of. He wasn't talking about Sunday. He told them to take it because it's HIS - from the beginning. They were HIS. I am HIS.
    On the rest of it, the yoke of bondage. It's not bondage when you walk in the Spirit. The Spirit empowers you to walk in righteousness, not sin. It cannot be done without the Spirit. Free from THE LAW OF SIN AND DEATH- which is the wage of sin. The law is just and holy and good and how sin is recognized. Romans 3:31 makes it crystal clear, as do so many more. Then 6:15&16 clarify it, but only IF you seek righteousness through obedience. The law is only of no effect if you don't break it. He is trying to explain walking a Spirit filled life. Jesus said OBEY HIM and He would send you the Holy Ghost which will teach you ALL things. That includes the part about ALL who follow the Lamb becoming Isreal, the remnant, and yes I've posted a very thorough thread on that too. Heaven isn't going to be segregated. It's going to be full of righteous, sin free souls who allowed the Spirit to guide them here on earth in total submission and obedience to Jesus Christ. Those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. You can't tell me that that means anything other than what it says. Peace
     
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