Is obama the antichrist?

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hmmm. whats more evil....

Pre-emptive war or health care

promoting armed conflict, or providing doctors for the sick

A push to build weapons or a push for humanitarian aid

To send away those hungry and seeking help (illegals) or allowing them in

To allow people to starve and give fish to the ones who own lakes, or feed the hungry fish so they can be fed for the day.

Come ON, wake up people! it not that long ago
Calling a misguided Liberal the anti-christ is like calling Jesus a blasphemy against God for walking on water and raising the dead.
 
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hmmm. whats more evil....

Pre-emptive war or health care

promoting armed conflict, or providing doctors for the sick

A push to build weapons or a push for humanitarian aid

To send away those hungry and seeking help (illegals) or allowing them in

To allow people to starve and give fish to the ones who own lakes, or feed the hungry fish so they can be fed for the day.

Come ON, wake up people! it not that long ago
Calling a misguided Liberal the anti-christ is like calling Jesus a blasphemy against God for walking on water and raising the dead.

"One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people has been by way of medicine. It is very easy to disguise a medical program as a humanitarian project. Most people are a little reluctant to oppose anything that suggests medical care for people who possibly can't afford it".

~Ronald Reagan, 1961.


If you'll read the proposed health care bill, there's more provisions for government control of the population such as government advisors who come in to your home to show you how to parent, government counseling for "end of life", government hands on your bank accounts, than there is for actual health care.

If they cared about the "47 million Americans", less than 10% of the population, without health care, then address their needs. Don't turn the whole thing upsidedown and shake it, adding government control over lives to it.
 
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yea but guess what, 4 years later the health care system can be taken down, altered, no longer there while private care is used to fill the void.

There's a reason why people rely on IRAs, 401Ks, life insurance, instead of Social Security, medicaid, medicare

And yes Social Security is broke, medicaid is broke, medicare is broke, and yes those are all socialist, and yes i'm sure Roosevelt was the anti-christ back then too, and yes they are still around today but No that people are forced to only have social security with no private option despite that there was no private option compliant at the time of its introduction.
 
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yea but guess what, 4 years later the health care system can be taken down, altered, no longer there while private care is used to fill the void.

There's a reason why people rely on IRAs, 401Ks, life insurance, instead of Social Security, medicaid, medicare

And yes Social Security is broke, medicaid is broke, medicare is broke, and yes those are all socialist, and yes i'm sure Roosevelt was the anti-christ back then too, and yes they are still around today but No that people are forced to only have social security with no private option despite that there was no private option compliant at the time of its introduction.

The difference, Kingssman, is this is a global effort. The Western nations are aligning their ideology (culture of death) and preparing for a global government/global financial system, controlling the population. They are doing it through the global warming falsehood and "health care".

The US is the last Western nation that doesn't have control of it's population.
 
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Africa doesn't have national healthcare, neither does the middle east or china to my knowledge. They do have controlled media and censored information. Only europe united under a "global currency" known as the Euro, thats because people got sick of carrying around different sets of currency whenever they traveld 4 hours by car to another country to enjoy the beach. Other than that, the dollar is the global currency other than diamonds and gold.

The world government was supposed to be the UN but reality shows that the UN has little power when it comes to conlict, genocide, building nuclear arms or fraudulant elections. At most the UN can give humanitarian aid like oil for food and impose sanctions only if everyone agrees to participate in such sanction.

The US is the last nation that changes leadership every 8 years regardless how much the people love that leader. Granted there's plenty of congress men who were born into congress and die there, those are few and far when some people's tenures are cut off when folks are just fed up with them as soon as someone comes along and wants to do their job better.

America will be safe as long as term limits are around
 
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Africa doesn't have national healthcare, neither does the middle east or china to my knowledge. They do have controlled media and censored information. Only europe united under a "global currency" known as the Euro, thats because people got sick of carrying around different sets of currency whenever they traveld 4 hours by car to another country to enjoy the beach. Other than that, the dollar is the global currency other than diamonds and gold.

The world government was supposed to be the UN but reality shows that the UN has little power when it comes to conlict, genocide, building nuclear arms or fraudulant elections. At most the UN can give humanitarian aid like oil for food and impose sanctions only if everyone agrees to participate in such sanction.

The US is the last nation that changes leadership every 8 years regardless how much the people love that leader. Granted there's plenty of congress men who were born into congress and die there, those are few and far when some people's tenures are cut off when folks are just fed up with them as soon as someone comes along and wants to do their job better.

America will be safe as long as term limits are around

Regarding world currency:

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev pulls new world currency from his pocket - Telegraph

Regarding term limits:

Presidential Term Limits No More? | The Conservativist

Regarding power of the UN:

U.S. under U.N. law in health emergency


The UN has as much power as people are willing to give to it.

Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

"We have before us the opportunity to forge for ourselves and for future generations, a new world order. A world where the rule of law, not the law of the jungle, governs the conduct of nations. When we are successful, and we will be, we have a real chance at this new world order, an order in which a credible UNITED NATIONS can use it's peace-keeping role to fulfill the promise and vision of the UN's founders."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc7i0wCFf8g


"His (Obama) task will be to create an overall strategy for America, when really, a new world order can be created. It's a great opportunity in such a crisis."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SISUIhprOa8
 
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By the way, I've come to the conclusion that God sometimes shows people things that are like a gift, a treasure, just for them. I mean, people will scoff and mock when you know that you know that you know what God has told you. Sometimes, it seems, that they can't see it until God shows them, Himself.
Yes. All through out the bible God has used people that you would be likely to think were nut cases lol. Look at Jonah. He was a coward who didn't want to warn Nineveh of their wickedness and sins, so He tried to flee to Joppa by ship..Jonah 1. Look at Saul (Paul). He hated Christians and had them imprisoned. One thing for sure, just because Christ is seated at the right hand of the Father, the Holy Spirit and revelation are still present in the body of believers. God can, and does use the most "base" people ^_^
We know also that the bible states in 2 Thess 2:3 that the man of sin will be revealed (revelation by the Spirit..meaning Antichrist shall be revealed). God just doesn't give everyone revelation at the same time for His own reasons. Could be that some need a little more coaxing in that area right up until things get worse to build their faith. People generally are more open to God when times are the hardest, and He can use them for His glory. Times aren't going to be any harder on the bride until the AC sets up his kingdom on earth.
None of us were saved until our Spirits received the revelation that we needed a Savior...Jesus. Otherwise, we would all have been saved at the same time with others in our generation ;) I'm not any better then other Christians. I'm just a granny who God chose to use. If he ever uses me again, my hope is that it won't take 4 years like this time :) I was mentally exhausted after this journey. That is why I took a few months away from this site.
 
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I don't think that's a defense of foolishness.
1 Cor 1:20, 25, 27, 28 ~ Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made FOOLISH the wisdom of this world?
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; 28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
 
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Yes. All through out the bible God has used people that you would be likely to think were nut cases lol. Look at Jonah. He was a coward who didn't want to warn Nineveh of their wickedness and sins, so He tried to flee to Joppa by ship..Jonah 1. Look at Saul (Paul). He hated Christians and had them imprisoned. One thing for sure, just because Christ is seated at the right hand of the Father, the Holy Spirit and revelation are still present in the body of believers. God can, and does use the most "base" people ^_^
1 Cor 1:20, 25, 27, 28 ~ Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made FOOLISH the wisdom of this world?
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; 28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

I know of someone who fits this description to the "T"
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1 Cor 1:20, 25, 27, 28 ~ Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made FOOLISH the wisdom of this world?
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; 28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

That's also not a defense of foolishness. Not everyone that's foolish is foolish for the sake of God. Not everyone that's mocked for the sake of God is righteous, or even correct.
 
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That's also not a defense of foolishness. Not everyone that's foolish is foolish for the sake of God. Not everyone that's mocked for the sake of God is righteous, or even correct.
God is looking for more people that aren't afraid to look foolish to the world. Those that aren't caught up into their own "agenda's". Those that would rather hear from God then to hear their own voices tickling their ears... the voice of the Holy Spirit.
 
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God is looking for more people that aren't afraid to look foolish to the world. Those that aren't caught up into their own "agenda's". Those that would rather hear from God then to hear their own voices tickling their ears... the voice of the Holy Spirit.

I don't see any of those people here, so...

The kind of foolishness I see is people running around like chicken little and then pretending that they're being mocked for their righteousness instead of their hysterics.
 
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I don't see any of those people here, so...

The kind of foolishness I see is people running around like chicken little and then pretending that they're being mocked for their righteousness instead of their hysterics.
You are talking to a woman who has been mocked, and called almost everything that is close to the borderline of them getting banned from here. I am beyond the criticisms of the worlds thoughts on what I believe or not believe. Gods thoughts about me are the only thing that matters. When someone comes on with the "attitude" that you have had with all of us that you have talked to, we see the spirit behind it. The armour of God just gets even stronger to quench those fiery arrogant darts. Shoot on :D
 
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That's also not a defense of foolishness. Not everyone that's foolish is foolish for the sake of God. Not everyone that's mocked for the sake of God is righteous, or even correct.
BIG Mouth NANA wrote"
1 Cor 1:20, 25, 27, 28 ~ Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made FOOLISH the wisdom of this world?
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; 28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
That's also not a defense of foolishness. Not everyone that's foolish is foolish for the sake of God. Not everyone that's mocked for the sake of God is righteous, or even correct.

The specific words that Nana quoted were written so that those of us who are in Christ can see those of them who are not... I honestly believe that He was speaking about people who are so full of their OWN wisdom that they are not able to see the Truth when it is right in front of them when it comes to the things of GOD... you for one find a lot things foolishness in the things that some of us say in our posts...
Yet you yourself deny actually being traditionally Born Again, which is pre-requisite to being saved... the ONLY foundation that requires more than mental ascension.
If you are going to post here and try to aid all of us ignorant people in understanding the great depths in understanding the Word of GOD, I strongly suggest that you begin with getting "Born again" and work from there...
I love you and care for your safety, however, your condescending and air of superior attitude towards others, Nana, Jen, Kal and myself to name just a few is not appreciated at all and completely out of order, an apology is in order...

I hold no animosity towards you and this post is in order, I may not be a MOD, but I qualify as being a Christian and your very words themselves judge you
Isaiah 54:17 (KJV)
No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and their righteousness is of me, saith the Lord.
 
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Yet you yourself deny actually being traditionally Born Again, which is pre-requisite to being saved... the ONLY foundation that requires more than mental ascension.

I am averse to vague terminology (such as being 'born again'), and as far as being saved, management has recently made it clear that discussion of my theology must take place in the Unorthodox Theology forum.

If you are going to post here and try to aid all of us ignorant people in understanding the great depths in understanding the Word of GOD, I strongly suggest that you begin with getting "Born again" and work from there...

That's not really anyone's business but mine, honestly. It was asked, I answered, I wasn't asking for an intervention. The state of my soul is my own concern, and in most areas I am satisfied. The areas in which I am not satisfied do not relate to anything said in this forum and are thus of no concern to anyone that posts here.

I love you and care for your safety, however, your condescending and air of superior attitude towards others, Nana, Jen, Kal and myself to name just a few is not appreciated at all and completely out of order, an apology is in order...

My mockery is very precise and 99% of the time it relates to blatant dishonesty and/or chicken little arguments that are so popular around here.
 
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I am averse to vague terminology (such as being 'born again'), and as far as being saved, management has recently made it clear that discussion of my theology must take place in the Unorthodox Theology forum.

That's not really anyone's business but mine, honestly. It was asked, I answered, I wasn't asking for an intervention. The state of my soul is my own concern, and in most areas I am satisfied. The areas in which I am not satisfied do not relate to anything said in this forum and are thus of no concern to anyone that posts here.


My mockery is very precise and 99% of the time it relates to blatant dishonesty and/or chicken little arguments that are so popular around here.

We are to help others that are weak in their faith... mockery is NOT love... as far as you being saved, that is between you and GOD, the contributions that you offer are contaminated with remarks that cause offense...
It is by our fruit that we are known by. GOOD begats good, rotten begats rotten...
 
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One day soon, SOMEONE will indeed be revealed (apparent to the whole world or at least Bible-believers) as the anti-christ.

Given the hour and the signs of the times, that person would have to be alive and currently in a role that will allow him to be declared "the mouth" of the beast, commonly known as the anti-christ.
 
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